UK lists preferred occupations for immigrants

Soon

the gubberment will be issuing prefered lists of jobs for UK residents. Then specific jobs for specific people.

Role on the revolution.

Ballerinas?

Can't get them for love nor money, mate.

Relocate to Euro zone

Well if you're thinking of setting up in the UK, this is one more reason not to.

1. Free movement across the Schengen zone, you do not need to get a visa for your third country staff from France to Germany the way you do from UK to Germany or Germany to UK.

1a. Note that Jacqui Smith is also claiming a right to refuse entry to people from the EEA by default. You cannot guarantee that your EEA staff (EEA includes EU) can visit the UK because Jacqui Smith may have taken umbridge to them and added them to her enemies list for expressing their opinion of her. See also Hazel Blears comments demanding political internet bloggers be silenced as 'nihilists'.... not exactly a well balanced free country when politicians call for freedom of speech to be silenced.

2. Inside the Euro zone, more stable, less prone to currency collapse in a downturn.

3. UK mass surveillance, CCTV everywhere, a planned central surveillance of internet communications that would be illegal under the very directive it claims to implement. DNA taken of 1million children, you cannot protect your employees children from NuLabour.

4. Innocent people not afraid of the police, no random stop and search, no terrorist laws to misuse in Eurozone.

5. Working public transport.

6. House prices far below UK levels, cheaper to live in mainland Europe than UK.

7. Freedom to protest, freedom to congregate, no vague anti-social behaviour laws. No ASBO charges that accept hearsay as evidence. Proper judicial process.

8. Perhaps you have an eCommece business or an online forum? The UK's eCommerce/terrorism law, seeks to link eCommerce and terrorism. Bet you never considered the terrorism angle of the customer comments section of your companies website, yet it can land you in prison.

8a. Look at todays latest police game. Demanding 14 days notice and information they are not legally empowered to demand for a concert. Look at the curfew thing in wales. Their curfew power (by misuing an anti-social behaviour law) was already ruled illegal in the courts, yet it doesn't stop the police. You cannot protect your people from the police and being innocent is no protection.

9. The English channel, moving across the UK-EU border requires a boat or channel tunnel crossing making it far more expensive than other parts of Europe. More isolationist, more expensive to send staff around.

10. Oil reserves depleted, that cash injection is drying up and so UK economy will inevitably suffer.

This is yet another reason why it's better to locate your business in mainland Europe and avoid the extremist fringe that the UK has become. Sad to say as an ex-pat myself, but I left and so should you.

Glad IT is not on the list

It'll keep our demand (salaries) higher, thankyouverymuch.

Good

Too many managers muddying the idea of what a competent software engineer is in the UK.

A competent software engineer is one that doesn't code for a bag of peanuts, hand over copyright of their work for a half eaten Twix, or carry people who don't have a clue about technology.

I hear they still do all of the above in Australia though, probably right up your alley.

Just remember to keep that stiff British upper lip whilst you are there, make references to them being antipodeans and that your word is law. Rumours about them slapping snotty nosed little know nothing British boys on the barbie are grossly exaggerated, pay them no heed.

@ Relocate to Euro zone

Eso es amigo, eso es!

Extremist Fringe

if only the UK was, it would be a damn sight more enjoyable.

I wouldn't be so sure the continent is all that either, Canada, New Zealand perhaps if you are looking to up sticks.

Thing is the UK is set for a come back, hopefully the taxes will drop and that is important to restore the economy and reduce the public sector. The problem with a large public sector is they don't serve they just try and control, it is human nature.

You actually have to make sure the public sector is under staffed and under funded, it is better for everyone. Otherwise society does just hurtle into a dystopia of a police state - it may not even be intentional but it is inevitable.

They are not thinking like business men, they are thinking like little mini despots, they just get given their chunk of silver no matter what virtue they bring to society, whereas in business you have to bring something positive, where positive is what people desire.

And league tables don't help they just get gamed. Economies always count government money as 0, it just gets wasted dropping out of the economy eventually, it is because it never goes into creating future money. There is no investment, and no incentive to do the right thing economically, they get paid whatever, if they don't fear losing their jobs due to incompetence, why should they do anything right?

For example these bizarre and nasty little NHS ads, to stop smoking, well that costs us the people to produce those, I personally blank the screen. But, the side effect is it is more expensive for others who do advertise products people may actually want, less TV ad time, the price of those products increase, it is just plain negativity all round from the government when they start to dabble in the free market.

Labour screwed it up they made the public sector too large and ploughed too much money into it, now if they start to borrow to keep the public sector afloat, bad news, more will leave the country, so instead they should just lower taxes and start the public sector chop. Sooner than later please

Really?

Jobs that the UK government has made ludicrously unrewarding are understaffed in the UK? Really?

@ Relocate to Euro zone

...or India.

@AC :

>We've had trouble finding competent Software Engineers in the UK over the last couple of years.

Well, there's two strong possibilities there:-

1) You don't pay enough. Your London offices look good on a business card, but your potential staff need quarter of a million to buy a modest flat. Since they're competent, they can work pretty much anywhere in the world and live in a nice house with a sea view rather than a rat infested hovel surrounded by knife wielding hoodies.

2) They've left. Competent software engineers are intelligent and can leave. So they have and you're left with the dross (including yours truly). Changing the immigration rules won't help, because they don't want to be in Britain in the first place.

Ooh, just thought of a third, UK employers have adopted the 20 days holiday from the US. Perhaps the competent want their lives back and have gone to Europe where holidays are longer.

It's times like this that I realise that despite the appalling job prospects and crap pay, I should've learnt languages instead of software engineering.

Shortage of geologists/physicists

"Maybe if the jobs paid enough"

This sums up why there is a shortage. Plenty of people trained in skills that are no longer worth what they expect and simply dont take the jobs that are available because of inflated expectations. The jobs are still there to fill.

It's all just too much.

I'm depressed now - from the story, the confirmation of my deeply pessimistic post, but worst of all - agreement from Mark.

I'll have to hope for a whacked out eco story to have any hope of a proper argument now.

Hovercraft Officer ?

My hovercraft is full of eels.