back to article UK National Lottery data breach: Fingers crossed – it might not be you

Cyber criminals appear to be using passwords and email addresses from previous breaches to gain access to 26,000 online UK National Lottery accounts. Camelot, the company behind the National Lottery, detected the scam and subsequent attempted frauds and responded by locking down accounts, triggering compulsory password resets …

  1. Chazmon

    I wonder if we could crowd source a list of large companies which have not suffered some kind of breach or hack to date.

    Not for reasons of consumer advice more so we can run a sweepstake of who will fall over next!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I don't think we can really say that Camelot/National Lottery have suffered a breach or hack. There was no vulnerability in their system that's allowed access. This is down to user error for using the same password in two places, and potentially in a way the fault of the company who suffered the original hack elsewhere for not locking things down.

      I've seen a lot of the media referring to this as a breach on the National Lottery side in their headlines which I don't think is quite accurate.

  2. Nick Gisburne
    Pirate

    Watch out for the spam

    Next up, the hordes of spammers telling you 'your lottery account has been compromised, please log into this entirely genuine server and type in your real details'. Which will probably catch out more people than the original breach.

    1. Sir Runcible Spoon

      Re: Watch out for the spam

      Oddly enough I recently got an email from them notifying me my account would be closed in 3 years time as I hadn't logged in for over two years!

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Joke

    Jackpot !

    See title...

  4. Halfmad

    Credit where it's due

    This seems to have been dealt with quickly and openly by Camelot.

    You could say they've been a knight in shining armour for many victims..

    *boom tish*

    1. Lee D Silver badge

      Re: Credit where it's due

      I still think we need to get everyone there round a table...

    2. tfewster

      Re: Credit where it's due

      Nah, they're living in the dark ages. Chivalrous, but not wizards.

    3. Mutton Jeff

      Re: Credit where it's due

      they may be knights of the round table, but are they able?

      1. Just Enough

        Re: Credit where it's due

        Tis a silly place. They reuse passwords across multiple sites there.

      2. annodomini2

        Re: Credit where it's due

        Ni!

  5. cmannett85

    Use a bloody password manager!

    1. paulf
      Alert

      @ cmannett85 "Use a bloody password manager!"

      This is the core of the problem, only emphasised by this FTA, "Ollie Whitehouse, technical director at NCC Group, added: “This latest hack is yet another example of why people should use different and strong passwords for all online accounts due to the lack of transparency with regards to how they are held."

      Every site expects people to register before they can use it (it's unusual to find a website that allows express checkout without registering as that would stop their data harvesting impair the user experience), you're expected to use a completely different password for each site, and every password must contain a capital, a lower case, the number you first thought of, a punctuation, an emoji, and what you did last summer. People are looking at 50-100 passwords just for the regularly used parts of their online time (possibly much more) all of which are near impossible to remember so is it any wonder they pick one "strong" password (as determined by the misguided password policy on the most cantankerous site they use) and reuse it elsewhere. It may help using a different email address for each site but that is a lot to manage for many people and strays into security/obscurity territory.

      Password managers are helpful and I believe most of the major browsers offer some kind of "remember my password" functionality (Safari, Firefox, IE, not sure about others) but one breach on the password manager exposes the whole bloody lot. Perhaps the most secure password manager is a small notebook in a kitchen drawer?

      My concern is that these kind of things push people towards third party authentication e.g. login with your Facebook account. The idea that Zuck becomes the password gatekeeper to the interwebz is just too horrific not just because it also concentrates the target into one place - crack a Facebook account and get access to everything. Facebook only keep things private if it suits them and telling them you log into Amazon, your mobile provider, your telly provider and your utility on a regular basis would be music to his wallet.

      I'll leave it to someone else to dig out a link to the XKCD cartoon about passwords.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I've just won 10 mellionnnnn

    I've won a big prize, just waiting for my winners fee to be processed, and after that there is some sort of delivery fee for the courier. Posting anon because I don't want any begging letters.

    1. Banksy

      Re: I've just won 10 mellionnnnn

      Can you lend me a tenner?

  7. Gezza

    Isn't it ironic, don't you think?

    the chances of having your nat lot account hacked versus the chances of winning anything.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Isn't it ironic, don't you think?

      From what I've read so far the accounts weren't hacked into. The problem is the original company who were hacked in conjunction with users not having a unique password for each site. Looks like Camelot just had the right checks in place to look for suspicious behaviour (such as logins from multiple countries etc.)

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    No card data? think again

    The statement said "We do not hold *full* debit card or bank account details". Which implies partial is held and has probably been accessed. Not enough in itself to take money from your account but easily enough, combined with other info, for a social engineering attack ("your credit card, last four numbers 1234? Postcode xy12 6zx? Can you give us your PIN number to confirm?" (well probably more subtle than that but I am not a phisher))

    1. paulf

      Re: No card data? think again

      I call BS on Camelot on this one. They must store all the card data they're allowed to because it's possible to register a card for all future deposit/withdrawals of money to/from a NL account. They have all the details except the CVC (I think PCI DSS forbids them from storing this in any way) so they just ask the amount and the CVC then process the transaction.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Just checked my account...

    They show last 3 digits and the expiry month and year.

    Theres also full name and address, Mothers maiden name, and full date of birth.

    Good thing I use a password manager...

  10. Christopher Rogers

    So I have a 3 mobile and a lottery account. Good job I don't use talk talk broadband ffs.

  11. Stevie

    Bah!

    All your Premium Bond are belong to lightbulb.

  12. Graham Marsden
    Facepalm

    Meanwhile, of course...

    ... all the data which will now be collected on your Internet Browsing Habits and all the Age Verification records collected by porn sites to prove that you are over 18 will be *entirely* secure because the Government says they will be and we know we can trust them, can't we, boys and girls...?

  13. Captain Badmouth
    Holmes

    Lottery log-in

    Only recently Camelot have changed the log-in process so that now you can log in with your email address or user name instead of your user name only.

    What a co-incidence.

  14. EnviableOne

    When will Organisations learn

    "We do not hold full debit card or bank account details in National Lottery players’ online accounts and no money has been taken or deposited. However, we do believe that this attack may have resulted in some of the personal information that the affected players hold in their online account being accessed."

    You can cancel and get a new credit card or bank account, but you get one DOB and mothers maiden name, that can never be changed, it takes a while to change address, and its on file for years, and although you could change your name, no-body really wants to be called Princess Consuela BananaHammock

    Personal data is more sensitive than payment info!

    1. Captain Badmouth
      Paris Hilton

      Re: When will Organisations learn

      Who the hell uses their real mother's maiden name on these sites? Good luck to anyone using "Schubert"* to access any of my accounts.

      * Not her real maiden name and not one I've used in that context.

      Paris? ooh, I dunno, perhaps....

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