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United States presidential candidate Donald Trump has questioned whether the Democratic National Committee was hacked by Russia, advancing theories that China or “someone sitting on their bed who weighs 400 pounds” may have pulled off the hack that saw numerous campaign documents leaked to the world. Trump made the remarks …

  1. Youngone Silver badge

    Stupid patsy questions

    “We are under cyber attack”

    Quick, frighten the electorate!

    “Who is behind it and how do we stop it?”

    Name a boogey man that can be an enemy, also pretend there is a simple answer!

  2. GrumpyKiwi

    Their advisors should be fired

    Clearly no-one told either of them that using the word "cyber" makes you look like an instant twat to anyone who knows anything about IT.

    Still a pair of utterly repugnant individuals that I wouldn't cross the street to piss on if they were on fire. The corrupt kleptocrat and the flatulent fraud - what a set of choices America.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Holmes

      Re: Their advisors should be fired

      Well, to your point about the use of "cyber", these two candidates are looking well outside the tech community for their votes.

    2. Trilkhai

      "Wanna cyber?"

      Personally, I just found Trump's repeated use of "cyber" as a distinct word (rather than a prefix) amusing, considering what it used to mean online…

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Their advisors should be fired

      [makes you look like an instant twat to anyone who knows anything about IT.]

      Yeahbut - this is America. Their core electorate doesn't know anything about IT apart from the fact that it's powered by unicorns and kittens..

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
        Thumb Up

        Re: Their advisors should be fired

        "Their core electorate doesn't know anything about IT apart from the fact that it's powered by unicorns porn and kittens.."

        FTFY

    4. Eddy Ito

      Re: Their advisors should be fired

      This is what happens when two over the hill megalomaniac dinosaurs win the primary elections. You have to remember these are two people whose understanding of all things digital came from watching The Terminator and War Games.

    5. GrumpyKiwi

      Re: Their advisors should be fired

      LOL. 7 downvotes from losers who think that their fraud or criminal is in fact a wonderful person. Or people who love saying Cyber. Either way.

  3. Magani
    FAIL

    Double Fail

    "Trump made the remarks during the first debate ..."

    From what little I saw (or could stand). this wasn't a debate; it was a case of throwing insults and innuendos.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Double Fail

      "From what little I saw (or could stand). this wasn't a debate; it was a case of throwing insults and innuendos."

      In other words a political debate. This definition is not confined to any particular country.

      1. Stoneshop
        Devil

        Re: Double Fail

        Outside Western Europe and North America fisticuffs, and to a lesser extent exchange of small-arms fire is part of the political debate too.

  4. Ole Juul
    Coat

    Someone weighing 400 pounds

    probably American then

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Someone weighing 400 pounds

      Looks like a 400lb (181.4kg) Yankee down voted you, so have an upvote.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Someone weighing 400 pounds

        I think we should all realise we have the potential to be a fat person, I believe I could be.

        The only thing that is holding me back is sensible eating and exercise, if I could just kick those two habits I could achieve my corpulent critical mass.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Someone weighing 400 pounds

          Or you could have your left leg smashed to smithereens by a bloke who couldn't be bothered to look properly before pulling out of a side turning, which makes walking from the house to the bus stop a major challenge, and exercise (which I used to enjoy) a complete thing of the past. Funnily enough although I still eat sensibly I tend to drink rather more than I used to, because it dulls the constant pain, and I now weigh more than 20 stone, double what I weighed before the numpty smashed me off my bike 10 years ago.

          Don't judge anyone until you know their story. Sure, there are plenty of fat people out there who could do something about their weight, but there are plenty more who can't, for a number of reasons.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Someone weighing 400 pounds

            Right I'll risk the backlash.

            I'm sorry you were involved in an accident and are subject to to pain but have to question a couple of points.

            Assuming for a moment that being heavy is seen as a problem:

            Rather than "eat sensibly" to stay static, tailor calorific input to output, that may be more onerous than was "sensible" before and includes alcohol which is very high in calories.

            If the drinking is really for pain control then have you exhausted all other pain control methods?

            Have you ever considered that you might be experiencing symptoms of depression not just the physical pain? If the accident has taken the wind out of your sails the diet is probably a secondary issue and someone could feel trapped because other options look hopeless.

            In the faceless nameless pit which is the internet I really do wish you well, oh and happy too.

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Someone weighing 400 pounds

            "which makes walking from the house to the bus stop a major challenge, and exercise (which I used to enjoy) a complete thing of the past."

            Its a shame about your accident, but there are plenty of fit people going around in wheelchairs, never mind with a dodgy leg. Did you not notice the paralympics?

            " I tend to drink rather more than I used to, because it dulls the constant pain, and I now weigh more than 20 stone, double what I weighed"

            If the drinking alone has doubled your weight then I would suggest you have a serious drinking problem and should probably seek help because it sounds to me you're on the fast track to being a wooden box.

            1. Version 1.0 Silver badge

              Re: Someone weighing 400 pounds

              It's always the skinny people who have all the answers to the "fat" problem - obesity does not seem to be a simple heath issue, it may have many causes and we probably have a firm handle medically on about a quarter of them.

              Remember the days when ulcers were cause by people failing to handle stress? Nowadays we treat that with antibiotics. Just try to have a little sympathy and realize that no matter who smart we feel when we wake up in the morning, it's just an opinion - and Trump's opinion is wrong.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Someone weighing 400 pounds

                "obesity does not seem to be a simple heath issue, it may have many causes and we probably have a firm handle medically on about a quarter of them."

                There may be a number of issues that make some people more or less prone to getting fat. But ultimately its down to calories in, calories out and willpower. You don't find any fat people in a famine.

                1. Vinyl-Junkie
                  Joke

                  Re: You don't find any fat people in a famine.

                  But unless the population resorts to cannibalism they last longer than the thin ones!

          3. bombastic bob Silver badge

            Re: Someone weighing 400 pounds

            whenever _I_ exercise more, my weight goes up. but then again, I don't like being a 'skinny wimp'.

            it's about the body fat %, not about the total mass measurement nor that idiotic "BMI".

            After all, just look at the NFL... (they'd ALL fail the 'BMI' test)

    2. Robert Carnegie Silver badge

      Re: Someone weighing 400 pounds

      Or maybe it's a Cyberman. They're made of steel so they must be really heavy.

  5. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

    Trump Taxes

    The obvious way for Trump to legally pay no taxes is to qualify as a real estate professional. One of the requirements is that Trump would have to spend more time on real estate related work than on other tasks like candidate for Republican presidential nominee, or presidential candidate. Trump has spent plenty of time fund raising for his presidential bid. Sufficient that if he dropped out now and spent the rest of the year working real estate he would still not qualify for most of the tax concessions available to real estate professionals. For Trump, that is about $400M.

    The US banks have been burned by Trump bankruptcies, and will not lend him money. Deutsche Bank are worried about getting back what he currently owes them, so they will not advance him more. There are $300M of loans to Trump unaccounted for. My bet I is on the European Russian Bank. Trump wont get his extra $400M from the ERB as their owners, the First Czech-Russian Bank, recently had their license revoked by the Russians because they had no assets.

    If Trump is really interested in emails, he should go after the 22 million emails that were deleted from the Bush administration's servers when Congress tried to subpoena evidence about the reasons for Iraq War Version 2.

    1. Crisp

      Re: Trump Taxes

      "Trump later argued that he will release more tax records when Clinton releases the 33,000 emails deleted from her private server."

      Shouldn't he be releasing his tax returns the same way every presidential candidate has for the last 100 years? Why is he trying to make it contingent on something that's probably never going to happen?

      1. Sir Runcible Spoon

        Re: Trump Taxes

        Apparently he is under legal advice not to release his tax returns whilst undergoing an IRS audit (which he claims has been the case every year for the last 15, which seems a bit focused to me).

        Whilst the IRS have said that there is no rule that says he can't release his tax returns whilst being audited, I reckon Trump is using this as a way to highlight the fact he has been audited every year for the last 15 years.

        Considering the number of bankruptcies he's filed, I can't say I blame them.

        I did laugh when he said 'that's all you've done' when Hilary mentioned she had written a book though :)

        1. disgruntled yank

          Books

          Has any American president or serious candidate written his own book or books since Woodrow Wilson? I would be surprised to learn that Clinton wrote all of her books by herself (though curiously enough Powell's Books credits one to "Hillary Clinton and Hillary Rodham Clinton). I would not be surprised to learn that Donald Trump has not read all the way through the various books published under his name.

          1. BoldMan

            Re: Books

            > I would not be surprised to learn that Donald Trump has not read all the way through ANY book

            FTFY

            1. Lotaresco

              Re: Books

              "I would not be surprised to learn that Donald Trump has not read all the way through ANY book"

              He almost finished "The Very Hungry Caterpillar".

          2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

            Re: Books

            "I would not be surprised to learn that Donald Trump has not read all the way through the various books published under his name."

            He can read?

        2. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

          Re: Trump Taxes

          There could be an explanation for the focus.

          When Trump University (The one Trump said got an A from the Better Business Bureau.) was attracting investigations by district attorneys in several states, Pam Bondi received $25,000 from the Trump Foundation.

          Clearly the IRS will not settle for a one-off bribe.

  6. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    “There is no doubt Russia has used cyber attacks on other nations,”

    Well, as far as I know, there is no doubt that the USA has used cyber attacks on other nations either. You gonna get all high and mighty about that ?

    Didn't think so.

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      1. Lotaresco

        Re: “There is no doubt Russia has used cyber attacks on other nations,”

        "Didn't an ex-CIA guy say only the other day that the US had effectively estoppeled themselves against doing anything about Russian electronic spying because they do so much themselves?"

        I think you should be careful about using terms that you don't understand. Estoppel is a legal principle that prevents one party for making allegations about another party on the basis of the first party's previous conduct. Hence the CIA comment seems to be saying that the US may not be high and mighty about Russia's hacking because the US does the same thing. This is true.

        It does not mean that the US cannot do anything about Russian electronic spying as you allege. They can take every measure they see fit to stop the Russians spying.

        If a party is subject to estoppel then they have been estopped, not estoppeled.

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    2. phuzz Silver badge

      Re: “There is no doubt Russia has used cyber attacks on other nations,”

      Yes but the Americans are the goodies, and the Russians are the baddies.

      Jokes aside, I don't think saying "actually we've done just as much bad, if not worse" is a good way to win over an electorate at home.

  7. Rich 11

    Not so smart

    Trump also declared himself "smart" for finding ways to pay no federal taxes.

    How long will it take for all those ultra-patriotic Republican hawks to realise that the man they're cheering is bragging about not supporting the US military?

    1. Sir Runcible Spoon

      Re: Not so smart

      About the same amount of time it will take for his opponents to admit that he has a point about the colossal waste of money that's built into the system.

      1. Potemkine Silver badge

        Re: Not so smart

        Here's the word of a true Republican: Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone.

        1. disgruntled yank

          Re: Not so smart

          Impressive. What did this candidate do before he ran for office?

          1. Kurt Meyer

            Re: Not so smart

            "Impressive. What did this candidate do before he ran for office?"

            A little hunting and fishing, some golf, baseball, card playing, and painting. Travelled a bit. Anyone interested in learning more about this fellow could start here.

    2. Old Handle
      Mushroom

      Re: Not so smart

      I'd have thought the hawks were already planning to vote for Hillary.

  8. Potemkine Silver badge

    National Disgrace

    Having so many people ready to vote for such a sad clown is really, really worrying.

    We're reaching there the limits of democracy.

    1. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

      Re: National Disgrace

      "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."

      A Einstein.

  9. Bloodbeastterror

    "Better to remain silent..."

    Every time Trump opens his mouth he reinforces his stupidity and ignorance, and still morons think he's golden. He undoubtedly despises the little people, and it's a great shame that they can't see it.

    He's clearly too unbelievably vain to contemplate "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and confirm it".

    1. phuzz Silver badge

      Re: "Better to remain silent..."

      He's like a successful scam email. Anyone with half a brain can see the flaws, so he's self selecting for credulous people.

    2. inmypjs Silver badge

      Re: "Better to remain silent..."

      America has a long history of electing idiots, Trump will likely be the next.

      Not sure what you think moaning about him being an idiot is going to achieve.

    3. Lotaresco

      Re: "Better to remain silent..."

      "Every time Trump opens his mouth he reinforces his stupidity and ignorance, and still morons think he's golden."

      After that train crash of a "debate" where Trump managed to make himself look more of an idiot that usual I thought that there was a chance that Trump supporters might have had a moment of insight. No, first interview of the day Trump supporters queuing up to say what a great debater he is and how his performance proved he was presidential material. I wouldn't let his supporters choose wallpaper.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: "Better to remain silent..."

        After that train crash of a "debate"...I wouldn't let his supporters choose wallpaper.

        A good summary. I would just like to suggest s/Trump/Clinton The resulting paragraph works equally as well.

    4. P. Lee

      Re: "Better to remain silent..."

      Politics is no longer about doing the right thing, its about organising a team which can win the election game.

      Right or wrong, smart or stupid doesn't matter - its about who can run the most efficient party machine. Forget what's right or even workable, can I get a "Hoo-rah!"?

      We have generations raised on emotion-based theatrical entertainment and we've had years of government, increasingly not in the public interest - there is little correlation between who is voted for and people's livelihoods. After years of seeing public officials lie and play out stupid games and special interest groups pushing esoteric agendas to the forefront of policy, politics is just another absurd sitcom - Ally McBeal, 24, That 70's show and 2.5 Men all rolled together.

      1. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

        Re: "Better to remain silent..."

        Hillary has inherited and improved Narwhal. Narwhal crushed ORCA. Trump has not inherited ORCA. He does have some people working on new get-out-the-vote software, but he does not consider it that important, has given it minimal funding, and people with a clue are not lining up to work on it because they do not want to be associated with the inevitable spectacular failure.

        When it comes to absurd sitcoms, Trump has the most experience, with the apprentice and world wrestling entertainment. There aren't enough ignorant old white men to elect Trump. His second rate election team have been fired, and third raters only join his campaign if it will be their last before retirement. Clinton has a skilled and experience campaign team of about 1500 paid staff plus lots of volunteers. Trump's team (about 500 remain) thinks that Scotland, Mexico and Israel are battleground states.

  10. Patrick R

    We're reaching there the limits of democracy.

    Individuals, everywhere in the world, get more and more power, regardless of education, by fact or for the sake of equality. Big debate, but you can't have it with them. You're trapped.

    1. Version 1.0 Silver badge
      Headmaster

      Re: We're reaching there the limits of democracy.

      Interesting ... and you have a better system?

      Hopefully it will not be sidetracked by auto-correct.

      1. Patrick R

        Re: We're reaching there the limits of democracy.

        I don't have a better system, that's why I feel we're trapped. Education would help but then comes the question of who's best qualified to decide what sort of education is needed. The question seems cultural but is overshadowed by big financial interests/companies as well. I guess I got thumbs down because I'm not clear in what I mean, not because it's wrong.

        Also in this system we live in, uneducated people people do need a vote because otherwise the exploitation by the rich would be far worse. That's how the rich undermine their own system, That's why a balance between right and left is needed.

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