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"Google Maps" is being rebranded as "We Know Where You Live". :-o
Not enough personality: Google Now becomes Google Not Anymore
Google is rebranding its screen-scraping data guzzler Now On Tap, as it buries the entire Now initiative under the onslaught of its multiplatform chatty “Assistant” project. Only two years ago, Now On Tap was heralded as “Android’s next killer feature” (CNet) and even “the future of Android” (ComputerWorld). But Now On Tap …
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Thursday 22nd September 2016 19:21 GMT anoco
Re: And
And the route you take from work to the kids' school.
And how long your kids will have to wait if Waze directed all traffic to that one street that you can't avoid.
And how to make it so difficult to get a signal when you're trying to call the school or your kids to say you're late.
And how to make that rare pokemon appear down the street right behind that unmarked van.
And how to delete all your kids' photos from the Gallery to drive you crazy thinking that you had kids to begin with.
Really, not funny at all...
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Friday 23rd September 2016 09:16 GMT Crazy Operations Guy
Re: Oh when
That would be exactly how Google has avoided anti-trust lawsuits. They collect all the information so that the NSA doesn't have to, and probably so they can actually tell the truth when they say "Nope, no illegally-obtained data here.".
Google has insight on pretty much anything that happens online, either through the user searching for something and then clicking on the link, or through the plethora of scripts that nearly every website runs (google-analytics, Google APIs, or GoogleTagServices). Two of those scripts are running right now on this very webpage...
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Thursday 22nd September 2016 16:38 GMT User McUser
YPPWFTBW!
How does the character think of itself in a way that you can relate to? What is its childhood?
Jesus tap-dancing Christ, when did Google become the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation?
I do not want to have conversations *with* my phone - I want to find out what the weather forecast is or check my email or whatever and then have it shut the hell up.
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Friday 23rd September 2016 11:04 GMT TitterYeNot
Re: YPPWFTBW!
A shame Douglas Adams didn't live to see this. He'd have had a field day with it.
Oh I think it's safe to say he saw this coming a very long time ago (original radio series, Secondary Phase, 1980):-
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ZAPHOD: Computer?
EDDIE: Hi there! We gonna have a conversation?
ZAPHOD: No. You’re gonna tell me what those Vogons want, and how they’re armed.
EDDIE: Then shall we have a conversation?
ZAPHOD: What?
EDDIE: According to my programming, in the evening leisure periods the crew will like to relax and enjoy pleasant social activities with a wide range of shipboard robots and computers. Man and machine share in the stimulating exchange of...[Screeching noise]...Aaaaaaaaaaaagh!
ZAPHOD: What happened?
FORD: I just jammed a quick negative load across its logic terminals.
EDDIE: Hey that hurt!
FORD: Huh. Good.
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Thursday 22nd September 2016 18:01 GMT Anonymous Coward
A childhood? WTF!
Yeah, Siri/Cortana/<insert whatever name Google gives theirs> don't need a backstory. The advance I want isn't for Siri to become my best friend or a shoulder to cry on, what I'd like is to be able to tell her "I'm looking to buy a Raspberry Pi to drive commercial signage. I need it to have HDMI or composite output, ability to play a slideshow, and for non-technical people to easily update the slideshow. Go research what I will need to do that, including any accessories, find the best price, and place the order."
She might come back with some questions like "do you need wifi or will wired ethernet do?" and "do you want to put it in a case or leave it bare?" then "a fancy case or the cheapest that will do?" as she surfs and digests web pages 1000x faster than a human and understands within three seconds that my initial query didn't provide everything that was needed to complete the task. I'd expect her to complete the task in a minute or two and confirm it was done.
This is something I actually did yesterday, which took me about an hour and a half (I had zero experience with Raspberry Pi, so I had to start from scratch figuring out what I needed) We are many many years away from an assistant doing something like this - something I would task my personal assistant with if I was a Hollywood star or CEO mogul and had a personal assistant.
Today we're at "hey Siri, can you can Shazam this song for me?" Or at least I assume we're there, Siri is supposed to interact better with third party apps but I haven't upgraded to iOS 10 yet and I don't know if Shazam has added any support for Siri, but that's about the limit of what I can expect today. There isn't even any "memory" like a real assistant would have - I can't say "please go to iTunes and buy that song I asked you to Shazam last night". I'd have to provide the song name.
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Thursday 22nd September 2016 23:17 GMT Mark 85
Re: A childhood? WTF!
Yeah.. childhood. I guess they think we need to have a bonding and a relationship with products these days. Sort of harkens back to some advertisers having the human in the commercial hug a product while moaning "I love you" only more sinister in that it's recording your reaction.
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Friday 23rd September 2016 10:58 GMT Charles 9
Re: A childhood? WTF!
Except SHAZAM has an interest in limiting access to its services to human eyeballs. And since neither Siri nor Cortana have comprehensively passed a Turing Test, there WILL be ways to tell them apart, meaning it will NOT have access to everything willy-nilly to answer the question transparently for you. An assistant can't well do its job if the sign on the door clearly reads "NO PROXIES."
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Friday 23rd September 2016 15:04 GMT Charles 9
Re: A childhood? WTF!
I don't think it was ever sold. I had it for years until it was disabled: the function being integrated into the Google Search app instead (with a couple widgets available to take their place). Problem is unlike the old widget, I can't find a Music Search history, so I endup up back at SoundHound.
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Friday 23rd September 2016 09:16 GMT Crazy Operations Guy
Re: A childhood? WTF!
I wouldn't be surprised if you formed an emotional bond with it, it didn't go all sad and make you feel like you are abandoning a child when it detects that you might be interested in another device.
I imagine a future where one day you mutter to yourself "I wonder what Samsung has out now" and Siri starts talking about 'All the good times you've had together' and mentioning that trip the two of you went on last year and how it would be a shame to through away all that time and energy sorting your photos and videos just to throw it all away...
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Thursday 22nd September 2016 19:21 GMT Steve 39
I tried to use the voice function of Google on my Samsung this evening to set a reminder. "Remind me to post letters tomorrow at 10am". Innocent enough previously on my iPhone.
Turns out I needed to enable Google Now or somesuch. Turns out it needs to access my:
"Contacts, calendars, apps, music, battery life, sensor readings".
And then "Places you go".
Couldn't believe it, but I suppose I should have believed it.
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Thursday 22nd September 2016 23:17 GMT Camilla Smythe
Yahbut..
You want it to remind you to do something at a certain time which involves visiting a certain place.
Contacts: To reply to people who get in touch when you are delivering your letters to tell them you are delivering letters and say you will call them back.
Calendars: To check that you will be free at the time when you wish to deliver your letters rather than in an important meeting you have forgotten about.
Apps: In case you want to play Pokemon on the way to the letterbox. You might find a new one you have not yet caught.
Music: So you can listen to some jazz on your walk to the letterbox... cool.
Battery Life: To ensure that it has enough juice to guide you to the nearest, profitable, letterbox by the best, profitable, route and, based on your browsing history guide you past multiple 'sock shops'.
Sensor Readings: To make sure you are following the most profitable route to the sock shop, letterbox.
Places you go: In order to make the journey more, profitable, interesting.
Bank contact details, pin and password: In order to make sure you have enough credit to buy some, stamps, socks.
and so it goes on.
See. In order to, monetise you, do its job faithfully and properly it needs all of this data about you. I really have no idea what you might be moaning about.
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Friday 23rd September 2016 11:04 GMT Jonathan Richards 1
@Steve 39, in re permissions
I also: I did something that I hardly ever do, viz. reply to an email using the Android 6 gmail app on my phone. It was bloody difficult because a message would pop up every few seconds (literally) saying "This app will not function without proper permissions: enable access to body sensors [which I could just about understand] and the camera [uh, nope]". What sort of a mail client wants access to the camera?
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Thursday 22nd September 2016 23:17 GMT Charlie Clark
Re: Google Now user
Some of the stuff was really good but it was accompanied by a lot of guff. I really like the way they've added the clever stuff into the calendar app. For me, the Android calendar has by far the best UX. Interestingly I hated Apple's dumbing down of the Calendar app so much that I switched to BusyCal.
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Friday 23rd September 2016 11:05 GMT Halfmad
Re: Google Now user
I like it but whenever my mobile loses mobile data Google Now reminds me of the last time my team lost to our bitter rivals with a mid-game score showing us winning. I keep getting excited.. only to then realise it's an old game.
God damn it Google, I thought you did no evil?!
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Thursday 22nd September 2016 23:37 GMT User McUser
Re: Somebody will teach it to be racist
This is already happening.
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Friday 23rd September 2016 10:59 GMT whoelse
Incognito
Tested it, and what's not mentioned in there article is tha, there is still a secure Incognito mode, you just have to enable it for that chat by pressing the Incognito button. It encrypts the message and auto deletes messages after an hour (or whatever time you select). Securing content from Google means that conversation loses the shared assistant function. Haven't tried it on two phones, but I'd imagine enabling Incognito forces it for both clients.
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Friday 23rd September 2016 11:01 GMT bombastic bob
I'd rather teach it to fuel my fetishes
come on, hasn't anybody though of this one yet? Make the google version of siri:
a) speak to me like a lucious lady of the night,
b) be "of age" but look a bit younger, complete with school girl uniform
c) never get old, never cheat on me, and never ever ever say "no"
my own virtual girlfriend that will go get things I want online, find out how to drive from point A to point B, and knows my deepest darkest perverted secrets...
yum yum yum!
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Friday 23rd September 2016 11:01 GMT bombastic bob
being able to programatically shut it off
for the 'droid application I've been working on recently (demonstrated at a trade conference in Las Vegas last weekend), this might be mandatory - it's for certain kinds of doctors to use with a medical device. And I've seen other android applications being used in similar ways (being demonstrated at that same trade conference).
yeah we don't need patient data going to 'the cloud'
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Friday 23rd September 2016 15:04 GMT Charles 9
Re: being able to programatically shut it off
You'd be better of legally contracting for a customized phone so you can disable that kind of stuff at low level. Otherwise, Google Play Services will always hold the final call, which can be problematic in the face of Doctor/Patient Confidentiality laws.
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