Radicalisation? UK.gov gets itself in cluster-muddle over 'terrorism'

"decades of reckless immigration policies enabled this.

don't count on immigration extremists in the parliament to point the finger at themselves."

How have you even come to this conclusion?

Could it possibly be that the images we have seen on our TV's since 2001, the ones where the US and the UK roll in to Afghanistan and Iraq, blowing the place up as they go, promising it'll be sorted by Christmas have done more to turn minds away from society and in to the arms of those cowards who would rather someone's child get some C4 and blow themselves up? It's no secret that the rates of terrorism, the number of attacks have increased dramatically since the war in Afghanistan?

And what about the continual bombings in Iraq? The bomings in Pakistan? The bombings in Turkey? All these bombings coming from ISIS (or insert other terrorist organisation here), funded in part by the idea that the US, UK, EU could help topple Assad in Syria by giving the "rebels" guns and ammunition? Where's that gone? To ISIS, like those who opposed that action said would happen. And what happened there? Oh look, 2/3 years on Assad is still there, the rebels are still fighting, ISIS still blowing up mosques, temples, hospitals, women, children, men etc. Oh it's OK we'll drop bombs from the sky, that'll solve the issue. What's that? ISIS selling oil to Turkish oil companies that Ergodan's sons control? And Turkey being a member of NATO? Oh, I'm sorry that must be a conspiracy, my mistake.

And what about the state of Iraq and Afghanistan? The heroin problem Afghanistan has exploded, resulting in their youth succumbing to that shit and not rebuilding the country they were born in to and had no say in its future.

But no, it's obviously the woman on the beach in France wearing a burkini, the number of muslims from lots of different countries, coming to the UK or to the US causing all of this hell. It's obviously all those curry houses you frequent after a long night on the beer funding these terrorists. It couldn't possibly be a society that accuses or judges a muslim that lives in the society of being a terrorist just for wearing some cloth while walking in to their place of worship that is the problem?

Just strikes me that the same old crap has been thrown at the Irish for the last 30 years. The story's the same, just the colour of the skin and theatre is different.

Every day, something like this gets posted on to The Reg, and every day some dick head who's gotten bored of wanking off to Katie Hopkin's vile rhetoric posted proudly on the Daily Mail have to come on here and spout their vitriol against a group of people they know feck all about and plenty of it.

Who cares?

Guys who shoot out African American churches call themselves American patriots. Guys who shoot doctors and nurses in family planning clinics call themselves Christian.

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"We also recommend that they do not identify terrorists as Muslims.."

Oh, for crying out loud! Don't start *that* nonsense again. That's what they bloody well idenfify *themselves* as, you morons.

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Shall we try changing a couple of words and see if you still agree?

"We also recommend that they do not identify the KKK as Christians.."

Oh, for crying out loud! Don't start *that* nonsense again. That's what they bloody well idenfify *themselves* as, you morons.

how do we say we're against a particular group in this modern pc sjw world, without offending any precious little diddums?

"We are against terrorists". There, that was easy, wasn't it?

Re: "young people’s lack of ability or awareness of the need to critically challenge their beliefs"

As our schools have shifted towards a for-profit American style system, they've started to resemble the for-profit prison system.

Except you get MORE time for good behaviour, not less. People who are too smart to be indoctrinated by 16 need more time in the system, plus a bunch of student debt to bind them.

Re: Ignorance is bliss

Yep, that and the ludicrous campaign to increase the number of faith schools since the late 1990s. Yeah that wasn't ever going to get taken advantage of by extremists (of all kinds), was it?

Re: Alternatives

"Daesh profess to offer meaning and glory - a supposed nation of brothers, fighting for a homeland, and against the injustices exacted on their faith. What future does the UK try to offer these youths instead? Discrimination, prejudice, joblessness, and poverty?"

I am not convinced that being scattered in pieces on a battlefield either from wearing a bomb or just being hit by one is an advert for a better life. And of course this is against the background of people insisting here is a place of discrimination, prejudice, joblessness, and poverty. If it was true then in what way does Daesh change that as they seem to be failing on each account? But it isnt true, instead we have it easy. We have minimum wage and typically someone aint gonna kill you for your beliefs or race.

The hopelessness I hear is very odd, it is almost like people are dreaming of a country that is failing, almost a goal to aim for. Things can always be better and yet we seem to be doing better than the Eurozone and performing well in the world at large.

There was an interesting piece I read the other day (dont know how accurate) about the lack of religion in a lot of the people going over there. And we read plenty of horror stories especially the one of girls going over then realising they cannot escape.

I dont know if the facts cannot displace the romantic idea's of the terrorists new world or if they feel so alienated in a multicultural country. But I cant imagine the constant talking down of this country helps any. I dont advocate painting a rosier than real picture but a darker than real one is worse.

Re: Critical thinking

Dictators can do it because it doesn't hurt them if you'd prefer to vote for someone else.

Re: Nice recommendations

extremist Muslims represent the most likely source of terrorist activity in the UK.

30 to 40 years ago, you could have said "extremist Irish Catholics represent the most likely source of terrorist activity in the UK."

I wonder if you would have been one to encourage the view that anyone Irish or a Catholic was therefore likely to be a terrorist?

Terrorists often co-opt a religious or political ideal to justify their acts, but it doesn't mean that they represent the views of normal followers of that religion or ideal.

What could possibly go wrong here?

What indeed.

Re: Nice recommendations

> represent the most likely source of terrorist activity in the UK

Not the most likely. I do not have the report handy but if you can be bothered to look it up, it's publicly available. Every year Europol do a report on terrorism in the EU, where you could¹ see that the vast majority of terrorist activity relates to separatist issues. Until last year (2015), so-called religiously inspired extremism was almost, or completely, depending on the year, off the radar. It has, as of this year, however, caused a disproportionate number of casualties and completely dominated the media, to the point that public opinion is generally unaware of any other type of terrorism within the EU, as you so well illustrate.

So, to answer part of your question: no, the media probably should not report that religiously inspired extremist people represent the most likely source of terrorist activity in the UK. For two reasons: one is that we do not know that, given that no contrastable figures are publicly available for the UK, and two that making inferences from the situation in the rest of Europe, that does not appear to be the case. I could add a third reason, which is that the way you phrased it suggests that an entire social group has revolted, when that is patently not the case, but that's a bit of a nitpick.

¹ I say "could" because the UK numbers, typically the highest in the EU, are not broken down by category. Very curious that, and makes it very hard to cross-check those numbers.

Re: So-called

Many have departed this world.

360,000 foreign nationals (terrorist & mercs) have fought in Syria over the last few years, 95,000 of those were killed. And seems the rate is increasing, it is not a good career.

Over 30,000 foreigners' bodies are waiting to be claimed in morgues in Syria, according to the head of the Coroner's Office. Presumably the ones using suicide belts or driving VBIEDs didn't leave anything behind big enough to put in a body bag.

***** poor Muslim kids get a very mixed message from Sunday school saying one thing, non-Muslim authorities saying another, which is then easily proven wrong by the bad guys, "look in your Koran, these infidels lied to you". *****

I imagine that Muslim kids would get a mixed message from their Sunday Schools, but that what were the parents thinking when they signed them up to learn about Christianity?