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A veritable Who's Who of the tech industry have signed an open letter aggressively criticizing Donald Trump and his proposed presidential policies. "We are inventors, entrepreneurs, engineers, investors, researchers, and business leaders working in the technology sector," the letter begins. "We are proud that American …

  1. Chris Miller

    Virtue signalling

    The new team sport.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    so the usual

    the silicon valley pirates, the ones whove killed innovation with litigation, and those who have contributed personally and thru their companies hundreds of thousands of dollars of Democrat Party donations and millions dollars worth of in-kind "hearts and minds" positive spin are gonna say bad things about "the other party" no matter who or what he says or does.

    1. Tomato42
      Stop

      Re: so the usual

      I would have agree with you, if the "ones that killed innovation" weren't saying that misogyny, racism and xenophobia are bad for this (or in fact any) country.

      it's like saying, "this professor is wrong about climate change, I saw him jaywalking a month ago!"

  3. Gene Cash Silver badge
    Thumb Up

    I, for one, welcome my new Boris-Johnson-lookalike master.

    I also "want a candidate who embraces the ideals that built America's technology industry: freedom of expression, openness to newcomers, equality of opportunity, public investments in research and infrastructure, and respect for the rule of law." but unfortunately I've only got a choice between Trump and Hillary... and I simply *am* *not* voting for Hillary.

    Trump is indeed "unsuitable to be president" but Hillary is unfortunately even more unsuitable. Trump's a jerk, but she's a crook.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      America's tech industry, like the rest of America, is built on hypocrisy.

      All that freedom of expression, openness, equality, and respect for the rule of law is a white-wash.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Our choice is the crook or the crazy!

      Wot a choice WOT a choiice.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        "Our choice is the crook or the crazy!"

        Ah, but there's history of dealing with crooks in the whitehouse. Better the devil you know (how to deal with). I don't think there's been a "crazy" in the whitehouse (yet!)

        1. Alan Brown Silver badge

          " there's history of dealing with crooks in the whitehouse."

          The purpose of a president is not to wield power, but to draw attention away from those who do.

          I continually wonder what the fuck they've got planned that they need either type of attentionseeking in the oval office.

      2. Swarthy
        Alert

        RE: Our choice is the crook or the crazy!

        Or, you know... the third party candidate that "doesn't stand a chance".

        As the Brexit vote showed us, if enough people vote for a thing that "has no chance" it could very well win.

    3. SamJ
      Alert

      Trump is indeed "unsuitable to be president" but Hillary is...

      Obviously you have not kept up on your current affairs, or have only been listening to one side's propaganda.

      Yes, Donald Trump is unfit to be president. He says he understands business and will bring business back to the U.S. - but:

      o Outsources his products and his buildings to low-cost non-US companies.

      o His companies hire undocumented workers to do much of their work at less than they'd pay citizens.

      o His corporations don't pay their bills, and then threaten long-running lawsuits against anyone that insists on being paid for work completed (including the architects and builders of his various Trump properties. (One example is listed in the NYTimes of 7/15/2016)

      o His understanding of good business practices includes going bankrupt so that other people and companies have to pay for/clean up his messes.

      o He publicly bullies and threatens anyone that disagrees with him.

      Hilary may have made made mistakes, but they didn't harm the well-being of others. Because of the Clinton mystique, and a Republican majority in Congress, any mistake that she has made over the course of her career has been magnified by costly, never-ending hearings that further besmirch her legacy. In the end, these partisan hearings end up telling us nothing new, give us no additional ammunition to use against her - but amplify any missteps that she has made.

      We know Hilary Clinton's faults. She's made her mistakes, and seems to listen to advisors that are trying to keep her on track. But nobody knows what future undiplomatic, and dangerous directions that Donald Trump and his top advisor (himself) will take us.

  4. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
    Mushroom

    Concealed Carry? No Longer!

    THE PITCHFORKS ARE OUT AND THEY AIN'T GOING BACK.

    High-falutin politically correct "liberal" (in the US-stlye) clowns of the nontrepreneur or the professional gov-supported cultural marxist sort have ignored the down-to-earth flyover country rubes for too long.

    PAYBACK TIME! POPCORN!

    SOME BABY IS GONNA GET THROWN OUT WITH THE BATHWATER

    ... BUT!!! YOU CAN'T MAKE OMELETTE WITHOUT BREAKING SOME EGGS as skilled bomberette Condi Rice once said (Yvy league, piano player, whiter than quite a few of the pretend-white metrosexuals around me at the time of the present tweeting. Ans she wasn't even holding forth with Mr. Hilter on the balcony of the Axis Café.)

    ... And that's before we even get to the point where supporting Hillary is basically treason and pining for Israel-supported neoconnery and war machinations in Europe and Asia (to the detriment of the hapeless Yuropeans, more or less Merkelated if not Emasculated by his Biggness Obama, and whatever Asian country can be dragooned into the Pivot to Asia freakshow). But that's just by the by!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Concealed Carry? No Longer!

      I'll have whatever this AManOfMars wannabe is having.

      1. Rich 11

        Re: Concealed Carry? No Longer!

        Careful. I think it has hospitalised several children in Manchester recently.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          "Supporting Hillary is basically treason"

          I see the nutball wing of the republican party appears to be getting ready to try to impeach another Clinton. This time they won't wait until the middle of the second term, and hope to get started on it November 9th if the election doesn't go their way.

    2. disgruntled yank

      Re: Concealed Carry? No Longer!

      By gum, it's great that we have a horny-handed son of toil to vindicate the folks in flyover country. Remind me where Mr. Trump was raised and schooled--western Nebraska and Montana School of Mines?

    3. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

      Re: Concealed Carry? No Longer!

      Don't drink and post.

    4. macjules
      Black Helicopters

      Re: Concealed Carry? No Longer!

      Brilliant. Really good foil hat-level, saliva-drooling, spittle-drenching, redneck stuff with so much added bile that it makes a spitting cobra look like a grass snake. Loved the bit about 'bomberette' Condoleeza Rice - and you didn't even bring in the 'N' word once!

      As you would say "Bake ma burrito, biyatch", although how you will get a burrito once the wall goes up I don't know .. which brings us to another problem: namely, how do you get your Taco/Burrito/BigMac when all the immigrants have been deported and you are far too obese to get a job behind the till?

      Pip Pip!

  5. Badger Murphy

    Do not feed the trolls

    This lesson mainly applies to the Internet, but there are plenty out there in the wild, too. Bad-mouthing Donald Trump or his policies, especially with ad-hominems, is high quality troll food.

  6. Mark 85

    Either way does not bode well for us in the US or the rest of the world. From a purely US standpoint, I fear for the republic with either of these two in charge and the current (or newly elected) Congress off in the wings. There really doesn't seem to be a "lesser of two evils" in this election.

    1. a_yank_lurker

      @Mark 85 - Given Hildafelon was given a pass when any other schmuck would be rotting in jail over her email antics I would say the choice is basically bad (Blowhard) and complete disaster (Hildafelon). Most of the US "elite" do not like Blowhard because he says what everyone is afraid to say, the elites are treating the peasants rather badly. Hildafelon, who violated the letter and spirit of the law, is getting a free pass instead of a perp walk. Thomas Frank, a Democrat, wrote a book that castigates the donkeys for abandoning the working and middle class in favor the "professional" elites (in their eyes).

      1. Mark 85

        I wish that we had a "None of the above." category to tic on the ballot? "Bad" and "Worse" aren't really what I would call "good choices".

        1. Captain DaFt

          -I wish that we had a "None of the above."-

          Amen to that!

          Unfortunately, It's been "bad or worse" choices for President for decades now.

          This campaign it's "laughably bad or frighteningly bad".

          1. Swarthy

            None of the above

            That's why I've been voting Libertarian for the past several elections, it's as close to a "None of the Above" as the US ballots allow.

            1. Someone Else Silver badge

              Re: None of the above

              Bah! You want "None of the Above"? Vote Green.

          2. macjules

            Wish we had "not a chance in hell that I am going to completely F*ck over my country by voting to leave the EU" on 23rd June. But we didn't.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Egypt, BREXIT, and perhaps Trump...

    With respect, it's not entirely clear that democracy is always the optimum approach. They sometimes make some bone-headed decisions.

    I'll withhold final judgement until after November. If Trump is soundly defeated, then my faith in the unwashed masses will be restored.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    A Vote is an endorsement

    To all those that say the choice is binary, either vote for Trump or it's a vote for Hillary, that's pure BS and a total misrepresentation of what voting is. You vote FOR someone, it's a personal affirmation that you believe the person you are giving your voice to will represent you in the role.

    Trump does not represent my views or beliefs, in whole or in part. I will vote for whomever most closely does represent my views and beliefs. It's not a vote for Hillary to not vote for Trump. The fact is, he doesn't have my vote.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: A Vote is an endorsement

      The problem is the people who consider themselves democrats or republican - not just those who are registered but those who like to claim themselves as independents but maybe only one time voted for a different party for president.

      There are undoubtedly plenty of democrats and those who lean democrat who are not excited about the prospect of voting for Hillary, and there are an equal number of republicans and those who lean republican who are not excited about the prospect of voting from Trump.

      Unfortunately all they hear from their friends (especially those who live in echo chambers and mostly surround themselves with other democrats or other republicans) is "OMG you have to support [Hillary|Trump] even if you don't like [her|him] or we'll end up with [Trump|Hillary] as President and America is done!" plus a lot of "this is the most important election of our lifetime" (i.e. the same thing that is said about almost every presidential election)

      The true independents and those who support different parties (green, libertarian, etc.) are not large enough in number to make an impact by supporting third parties. The democrats and republicans who are not happy with their choices have to get over their irrational fear of the "wrong" candidate winning and stand up to their friends who will tell them that if they vote third party it is the same as voting for the other guy. Or heck, if they just won't shut up about it, let them believe you will vote the way they think you should, but do your own thing in the privacy of the voting booth.

      Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson is on the ballot in all 50 states. He's been a republican governor, and his running mate has been a (rather liberal) republican governor as well, so they aren't some crazy nutbags who subscribe to the ridiculous libertarian fantasies about privatizing roads and all that crap. They're serious guys with actual governing experience who can do the job, and they're worth a look. Certainly for disaffected republicans who don't subscribe to the social conservatism that has taken over the republican party in the past few decades, but also for disaffected democrats who think that they've lost their way in supporting too much government with things like free college tuition. With a little more support he can make the presidential debates this fall, and presented with a reasonable third choice there could be a lot of defections from both parties into his corner from people who don't want to see either Trump or Hillary in the White House. He's a longshot, but given the two main choices this is the best chance a third party candidate has had since '92 and one that might not come again for another 20+ years.

      Green party candidate Jill Stein is on the ballot in only 29 states, and doesn't have the actual governing experience of the libertarian candidates, but she's certainly an alternative for disaffected Bernie supporters who would have a really hard time casting a vote for Hillary and definitely wouldn't consider Trump. She won't make the debates, but voting your conscience isn't a wasted vote even if she doesn't have a chance of winning.

      1. Tomato42
        Boffin

        Re: A Vote is an endorsement

        with a First Past The Post voting system, if you don't vote on the candidate, it is as good as voting for the opposing party candidate

        the whole voting system should be changed to something like single transferable vote

      2. Mark 85

        Re: A Vote is an endorsement

        Johnson does have a shot at it. There's enough people fed up with the Repubs and Dems that it could happen. Not likely, but could especially if the Millennials jumped on his side. I've been taking a long look and there's some hope there.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: A Vote is an endorsement

      Sure. I've done that too, sometimes: gone to the polling booth, scrawled "none" across the ballot paper. But sometimes it's a close race and one of the candidates really is significantly less bad than the other, and in those circumstances the right thing to do is to vote tactically even though you can't "endorse" the candidate you're voting for.

      You can always tell people afterwards that you spoiled your ballot paper if you don't want to admit to having voted for an idiot/crook.

  9. DainB Bronze badge
    FAIL

    So Trump must be bad for Silicon Valley investors.

    One more reason to vote for Trump.

    1. Rich 11

      No, he's just an arse.

    2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
      Thumb Down

      He's 2nd generation immigrant on his mothers side and 3rd generation immigrant on his fathers side. Does that mean if he gets elected he'll deport himself "back home"?

      Or is he only referring to non-white immigrants? What about black African descendants or Hispanics whose families have more American/US born generations than his family?

      1. macjules

        The thing about Trump that I find most hypocritical is his readiness to import wives. He seems to treat his women like domain names - if he can't the one he wants in the USA he just goes and gets something similar from Eastern Europe.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    You had a decent President in Obama

    Smart, articulate and fair.

    But those in government fucked it up by preventing him from doing anything good.

    You now get the pricks you deserve

  11. Alister

    I wonder if the same collection would turn their attention to Mrs May, now, I'm sure they would have some interesting things to say about her proposed policies as well.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    A lot of the 'populist' discontent is down to the middle classes being hollowed out through austerity and debt. Had the tech giants paid their taxes and not used every loophole going to lobby for their almost tax exempt status - we might not be in the fiscal mess we are in.

    Just as bank de-regulation lead to disastrous borrowing policies, tax avoidance on an industrial scale by multinationals and the continued use of tax havens by their owners has created an uber rich class and left the 99% behind. The huge falls in the Baltic shipping index since 2008 is a pretty good indicator of how much trade has dropped for the 'little' people. Tech giants have contributed to the unsustainable inequality that now means 80 individuals own 51% of the wealth of planet earth.

    Don't want the pitchforks to come out ? Share out the wealth before automation destroys the system completely.

  13. FelixReg

    Why they seem so bad

    We should not forget that our opinions about these two are a distillation of what we see and hear through the media. And, with the Internet making it easy for even right wing people to live in an echo chamber, much of what we "know" is bad-mouthing by the candidates' opponents.

    So instead of a choice between two very capable, successful people whose plans for the US administrative branch may not align well with our personal opinions, we have a choice between Eva Peron and Biff.

    1. Francis Boyle Silver badge

      The only successful things about Trump

      are his ego and his choice of father.

    2. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

      Re: Why they seem so bad

      "... we have a choice between Eva Peron and Biff."

      So how, is Mrs Clinton's singing voice then?

      To be honest, my finger was hovering over the 'down' button until I read the last bit, but that is actually a very good analogy!

      For what it's worth, I've been following the life and times of Donald Trump loosely for the past 25 years or so. My background is in civil engineering, so I take an interest in large building projects and the people behind them. So yes, what I "know" about him is entirely based upon media reports and hearsay, not personal experience. But that was enough to conclude that I would go out of my way to avoid any personal experience, let alone work on any of his projects.

      Just my 0,02 USD from across the pond.

  14. Lars Silver badge
    WTF?

    "what is less clear is what all the tech leaders hope to achieve by publicly slamming Trump.". Seriously - unclear?.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    #NEVERHILLARY

    Trump embarrasses people from time to time, but Crooked Hillary gets people killed.

    1. macjules

      Re: #NEVERHILLARY

      Wait until Trump has the ability to send poor people, who only joined the military to get the scholarship, into battle with total abandon and zero conscience.

      Rather think that will be sooner than later, given his stance on Islam.

  16. Someone Else Silver badge
    Coat

    I feel slighted

    Herr Drumpf has yet to publicly slam me in a tweet. Where can I sign up?

  17. Florida1920
    Megaphone

    Vote FSM

    Current events and the leading candidates in the presidential race are proof there is No God But His Noodly Goodness.

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