back to article More than half of people on UK counter-terror biometrics databases are innocent

A new report from the UK's independent biometrics commissioner has revealed that more than half of people on British counter-terrorism databases are innocent, more than a thousand more than previously thought. The commissioner has revised upwards his figures on fingerprint and DNA profile retention, stating that 53 per cent of …

  1. James 51

    "No decision has yet been made on his replacement"

    Can't help but think it won't be filled or filled with someone a bit more compliant.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    but a separate issue ...

    is what these records can be used for ?

    Familial matching can make criminals of us all .....

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: but a separate issue ...

      Well, ya see, if ya cousin's a terry, den you a terry too!

      And we gon' draxx them sklounst!

  3. Swarthy
    Black Helicopters

    Of course they keep the biometrics

    Why wouldn't they? After all, the subjects came to the attention of the police, which means that they are guilty of something. We just don't know what, yet.

    And soon, the coppers will have enough evidence to pin something on them connect them to a crime that hasn't been solved and is hurting their quota numbers validates their suspicions.

    1. Alan Brown Silver badge

      Re: Of course they keep the biometrics

      "which means that they are guilty of something. We just don't know what, yet."

      Annoying someone who's illegally throwing his power around.

      Speaking truth to power

      There are a huge number of cops in the UK who are fundamentally psychologically unsuited to the position (as there are everywhere), yet the "good cops" keep closing ranks to cover for them.

      Bullies and sociopaths need to be weeded out, not promoted.

      1. Notas Badoff

        Bullies and sociopaths need to be weeded out, not promoted.

        I kinda have a verbal presentation mapped out where I liken the problem that the police agencies have with that of the petroleum refining industry: workplace safety. For much of my life I lived within rumbling distance of refinery explosions, so the very real increase in observation of safety consciousness at refineries was noticeable over time.

        As everywhere, the chief problem was continued employment of (or management by) people who either couldn't understand safe operating or who couldn't give a damn. The realization that one of the main threats to employment was the plant being erased along with a dozen or three of the local membership even got unions interested in working with management on safety, though under the guise of cooperating with EPA/etc. enforcement against the companies. Move a couple hopeless fools out of the plant and everyone else doesn't have 6-month furloughs for rebuilding and memorials.

        That guy that can't keep his mouth or fists under control? Say hello to Torrance the Torquer who just couldn't help giving every bolt an extra turn or two, on every inspection. "Eh, those nuts are tough enough for another twist!", he'd always say, having no understanding of hydrogen embrittlement or other non-ideal conditions. A couple more twists and little temperature or pressure change, and boom, though not necessarily on his shift. Afterwards the investigators say, "well of course those nuts cracked! Look at the tension!"

        The tension, the disrespect and obstruction, the mounting willingness to disbelieve any blameshifting explanation, hey, even the gunshots in their direction, just might motivate the policing 'industry' to remove the small number of makers of trouble in their ranks. It is their own interest to clean up their 'workplace'. Hell, even the unions should figure it out and stop the hair-trigger-shotgun union spokesmen parroting "it's someone else's fault!" *every* *single* time.

        Reviewing accurately and getting rid of the bottom 2-5% will greatly improve the lives of all the other officers. Oh, and "the plebs" too.

  4. Anonymous Coward
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    Another clusterf*ck moment brought to us by the "War on Terror"...

    So the cops can retain biometric data, unless they are told not to, in which case they can waive that order and keep the data anyway.

    The golden rule of any bureaucracy is that it NEVER surrenders anything, unless faced with actual budget cuts.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Another clusterf*ck moment brought to us by the "War on Terror"...

      The golden rule of any bureaucracy is that it NEVER surrenders anything, unless faced with actual budget cuts.

      .. which includes power, so keep that in mind the next time they ask you to vote for "temporary" or "emergency" powers.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    STASI

    This report has a very limited scope -- namely the so-called counter-terrorism database.

    We ABSOLUTELY have no idea what GCHQ might be doing -- but it seems to be pretty clear that they are keeping records about MILLIONS of innocent people. GCHQ may not have DNA records (but who knows), but they almost certainly are capable of scooping up fingerprint data and merging that information in the best "big data" style with everything else they have scooped up (Facebook, telephone records, Land Registry records, births, marriages, driving licences, airline bookings, bank account records, TV licence data, criminal records, credit card account records....and so on.....).

    Theresa May and her (so called) civil servants in Cheltenham are determined to eliminate privacy, and with the help of expensive consultants and expensive computer companies and expensive software companies they are building the STASI ... but in 2016 and in the UK.

    ......and all this is being done in secrecy with your money and my money. The report discussed in this news item is only a TINY part of the bad news.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: STASI

      You forgot the Webcam videos.

  6. Stevie

    Bah!

    Let us speak again of how the FBI will only use the iPhone Can-Opener of Justice in "Real Cases", on how one has nothing to fear if one has done nothing wrong, and on how "Reiser is Innocent".

    Here's an idea: What if the request to keep the data had to be done periodically (as I'm sure it really does) but each time the name and badge number of the officer making the request along with the reason and the approving superior officer's name and badge number be recorded in the same data chunk as the details being saved "for later"?

    That way, you could - for example - ask questions like "who is trying to game the system and who is colluding with them?"

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    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: ...more than half of people on British counter-terrorism databases are innocent.

      They are guilty of of being terrorist suspects.

      It's a database of terrorist suspects, so if you are in the database you are a terrorist suspect - obvious really

  8. Christoph

    Cameron has specifically and clearly stated that merely not having committed any crime whatsoever does not mean they won't come after you.

    “For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'”

    1. veti Silver badge

      Only yesterday, I was reading of a "crackdown on legal highs".

      Look, you can't "crack down" on something that's "legal". That's what "legal" means, if it means anything any more.

      1. Roo
        Windows

        "Only yesterday, I was reading of a "crackdown on legal highs"."

        I was able to buy a couple of beers yesterday without any problem from a shop on the high street, so it looks like there is no effective crack-down on "legal highs".

  9. ecofeco Silver badge

    Due process? What's all this then?

    No surprise. Due process and real evidence were never favored by the rich and powerful.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Due process? What's all this then?

      Rather missing having the right to conduct the High, Middle, and Low Justice, aren't they?

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    That still leaves ...

    ... 30 millon suspects.

  11. David Roberts
    WTF?

    Missed the bit

    About the thousands of records judged to be illegally held being deleted.

    It reads like "All these records are held illegally." "Thanks for telling us. Same time next year?"

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Guilty until proven innocent

    Isn't that just original sin?

    God must work for MI5.

  13. Tubz Silver badge

    Police breaking the law or abusing it's privileges and all in the name of anti-terrorism, UK is slowly moving towards a Police state headed by a small elite group of corrupt politicians and businesses !

    1. Bob Rocket

      'UK is slowly moving towards...'

      We arrived a long time ago, they are just taking down the scenery.

      The closing of ranks comes from the top and you don't get to be top unless you are sound, everyone gets where they are on merit.

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