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You can't use drones to check whether your employee really is sick, or to take pictures of your neighbors, unless you're a news organization in which case the sky is the limit. That's according to advice published by the US government over how best to use drones – or unmanned aircraft systems (UAS) as they are officially known …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The drone code

    They're more like guidelines anyway.

    1. Wzrd1 Silver badge

      Re: The drone code

      They're precisely guidelines, as Congress hasn't passed any law to create such a code.

      The "code" exists under the Executive Branch, barely.

      Meaning, it's not especially enforceable, save within current existing legal code for aircraft or cameras.

      Well, save in my area, which is a special aviation area, due to some critter called a B-52H.

      But, to be honest, I'll give them that one.

      As I have those BUFF's flying quite literally over my house, largely 24/7 in hours of operation and I do mean literally, as in cat running and hiding from their shadow literal, yeah, I don't want one ingesting a drone and falling on my house.

      I'll be colored impressed when Congress isn't regulating bathrooms, coloring door stalls or similar nonsense and actually passes a law that actually has something to do with actually running the country.

      Such as regulating drones, which are currently out of control.

      This, said by a man who has used tactical drones in war and considered ginning up one to look at the traffic to and from work, save that it'd conflict with those B-52's...

      No need accidentally conflicting and dropping one on my house, with a resultant loss of wife and cat, although the cat is beginning to become negotiable. (Russian Blue cat, exceptionally overaffectionate to the point of trip and keyboard risk, but alas, too cute to eat)

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Meh

    Vere are your papers?

    And as for news organizations: the rules do not apply. Instead they should "operate under the ethics rules and standards of their organization, and according to existing federal and state laws."

    Who says government can't be funny?

    What's not funny is when government tries to pick and choose exactly who is the Press. Absent a proper Office of Government Press Approval, there's no clear line between the Anointed Ones and the rest of us peons. I say I'd make a dandy reporteroid. I can hire myself and pay myself a wage too.

    What's that? I am STILL to be denied Press Status? Ooooh, that's going straight in my blog!

    I mean, my "Channel..."

  3. a_yank_lurker

    The media exceiption

    The media exception is pretty broad and basically makes the suggestions essentially meaningless. All someone has to claim is they are a freelance journalist.

    1. asdf
      Thumb Down

      Re: The media exceiption

      >All someone has to claim is they are a freelance journalist.

      Ugh as if the crowdsourcing "solution" to news couldn't get any worse.

    2. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: The media exceiption

      Right, so that's the paperwork for LOHAN sorted out. When's the launch?

  4. John Tserkezis

    "And as for news organizations: the rules do not apply. Instead they should "operate under the ethics rules and standards of their organization, and according to existing federal and state laws"."

    I have a shotgun that operates under differing rules and suggestions.

    I dare you.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I have a shotgun that operates under differing rules and suggestions.

      Actually, that's a fair point insofar that all these guidelines offer no remedy whatsoever for when people give them the stiff ignoring that most guidelines get (like the Constitution, for instance).

      Time to pick up clay pigeon shooting again, methinks, that way I can hit them with either a shotgun or a clay pigeon and still call it an accident :)

    2. Wzrd1 Silver badge

      "I have a shotgun that operates under differing rules and suggestions.

      I dare you."

      OK, I put my M1A on that oversized drone and return the favor.

      Anarchy isn't the way to go.

      Besides, my house isn't pellet proof, start shooting randomly around, I'll precisely engage you and win. I never did learn how to miss and I'm good to 2 KM with my current equipment.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Invitation to the voyeurs

    To setup a company with a name like 'I can see you Media LLC'

    Then they are good to go with their pervy behaviour...

    Idiot lawmakers. You just put a load of people at risk of snooping by pervs.

    1. Francis Boyle Silver badge

      They're not lawmakers

      and guidelines are not laws.

      Please check that your scripts are relevant before running them. (I think in this case you want the one about pointless bureaucracy.)

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: They're not lawmakers

        Indeed, but interestingly enough, my corporation has the contract for drone registration.

        Not much in clue or regulations to discuss, just take a registration.

        With absolutely zero input from Congress.

        But then, one entire party is so totally busy regulating the non-problem of who squats in a stall and takes a crap.

        Or even, gasp, urinates! Hint, I have lumbar issues, this older white guy sits down on occasion to take a leak - in the men's room, unless it's out of order and necessity intervenes. But, some states would make it illegal for me to change my granddaughter's diaper.

        But, necessity or something.

  6. Mark 85

    I guess then that Google can do a Google Drone View? Using something vague like "in depth mapping down to the square meter"?

  7. chivo243 Silver badge

    You can have my spear when...

    you pry it from my cold dead medieval hands...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhbuEUoxntQ

  8. Christoph

    "the ethics rules and standards of their organization"

    Paparazzi have ethics? What did they use to find them, a scanning tunnelling microscope?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      What did they use to find them, a scanning tunnelling microscope?

      Non-paparazzis, I guess. But they didn't stick to the teflon.

  9. macjules
    Facepalm

    Shame

    When I read the headline I was hoping it was going to herald new legislation on dealing with such awful drones as Nigel Farage.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Where's the section on launching missiles?

    It just seems like there's a whole section missing.

    1. Mark 85
      Flame

      Re: Where's the section on launching missiles?

      Well, that's good then. That means I can keep my ground-to-air missiles for home defense and privacy assurance.

      Icon- Launch signature of missile.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Or just ignore the government

    and keep on droning until you're caught, which won't happen because you're too cool to be caught, aren't you?

    (Eg: how many people text and drive, even after all this time, and never get caught!)

    Don't forget "Life's about what you can get away with."

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Or just ignore the government

      >Don't forget "Life's about what you can get away with."

      Yep we should go with the German like model of law* where things are usually prohibited unless the law specifically allows it.

      *granted not how works really in practice but on paper

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Or just ignore the government

        "Yep we should go with the German like model of law* where things are usually prohibited unless the law specifically allows it."

        You are Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and I claim my £5. Or Penny "I haven't got the first vestige of a clue about EU law but I'm still going to open my mouth on TV" Mordaunt.

        The "Prohibited unless specifically allowed" applied to the Prussian State and its successors until 1945, where events took place that meant that the entire German legal system got overhauled into one that is more logical, rational, simple and therefore much, much cheaper than our own. Jokes about the German legal system come badly from a country which has possibly the most expensive, and one of the most inconsistent, legal systems in the world. (That assumes you're either in the US or the UK).

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Or just ignore the government

          "Jokes about the German legal system come badly from a country which has possibly the most expensive, and one of the most inconsistent, legal systems in the world. (That assumes you're either in the US or the UK)."

          Well, there still is Somalia. Where, who has the most guns active wins.

          Some in the US are attempting, at their level best, to best Somalia in that manner.

    2. Wzrd1 Silver badge

      Re: Or just ignore the government

      "Don't forget "Life's about what you can get away with.""

      Erm, largely in the US and Somalia. Civilized nations, your mileage may vary abruptly.

      We're still busy regulating who gets to go into which bathroom and which religion gets to ignore the very first amendment.

      And something about a repeatedly bankrupt casino guy.

  12. Commswonk

    Utterly Pointless...

    Having read the linked PDF and finding that it was titled "Voluntary Best Practice for UAS Privacy, Transparency and Accountability" (my emphasis) I was unable to avoid concluding that the whole thing isn't worth the paper it may or may not have been printed on.

    With words like "should", "if you can", and "recommends" it is clear that it can have no force whatsoever, and can be cheerfully ignored by anyone flying a drone.

    Utterly effing pointless...

    1. Wzrd1 Silver badge

      Re: Utterly Pointless...

      Not really. Some of us find such guidance something of value.

      As in, yeah, that's a *really* bad idea, I'll not do it.

      Other items, "Why would I, that's beyond my comprehension as to *why* I'd do that!".

      Then, wonder about my neighbor.

      Which, to be honest, I've done more than a few times recently. ;)

  13. Allan George Dyer
    Black Helicopters

    Three basic groups:

    "companies, individuals and media organizations"

    So no guidelines for Government about when it is permitted to blow up cars and people in foreign countries eliminate terrorists in surgical strikes?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Three basic groups:

      Having personally designated a vehicle and even buildings with terrorists in them, confirmed by myself and my teams, I have zero heartburn over that.

      What I have heartburn over is, a program that plays numbers games, "we eliminated X number of targets", with zero real oversight and hence, people who should never have been harmed became victims of our program. That, I have major, major heartburn over.

      I'm fairly certain that you have zero heartburn over killing terrorists, while having angst and rightfully so, innocent people going about their business.

      I have some angst with the neighbors of a terrorist being victims when their home next door collapses, but at some point, we have to recognize that war and bombs aren't very precise things.

      This, from one who has helped dig out the poor SOB's next door and handled the tragic results. Considering the one we eliminated and the sheer volume of innocent women and children claimed by his actions, I'd do it again. Digging the remains out is the least of my nightmares.

      1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: Three basic groups:

        at some point, we have to recognize that war and bombs aren't very precise things

        Or to put it more succinctly: Complicated things are complicated.

        Ethical positions that fit on a bumper sticker may be comforting, but they don't solve many problems in the real world.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Hello Big Corporate Brother

    So basically mega-multinational only has to publish a short announcement buried in the classifieds, and then start slurping 27/7 surveillance of your city/block/community and selling it to the highest bidder.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hello Big Corporate Brother

      Welcome to the US where privacy is not a human right and in fact the whole concept is completely foreign to anyone under 35 or so. The future looks bright indeed.

      1. Wzrd1 Silver badge

        Re: Hello Big Corporate Brother

        Well, save that reading the Constitution was mandatory reading for our children in the age group you spoke of and I personally purchased Nineteen Eighty-four for our children to read and they're voracious readers, yeah. Some still exist.

        I've also taught critical thinking, rational analysis and picking your battles.

        Dastardly thinking is a familial trait.

        To the point where, I've repeatedly had men with silver stars on their collar remark to me personally, "Damn, but I'm glad that you're on *our* side".

        As a single star is qualifying, I found the multiple, including several with four such starts, comforting.

        Or, as I've told a terrorist on more than one occasion, there is the wrath of God and there is me and the creator decided to take the day off when I get involved.

        The mind is the ultimate weapon, assuming you don't feed it deficient ammunition.

        Currently, you're firing blanks. This is guidance only, suggestions, not rule of law and rule of law is impossible, as Congress wasn't involved.

        The entire Constitution is still in force, although there are hiccups that should be addressed about abuses by FISA courts and lack of oversight.

        We lack an emperor.

        One party is more concerned about bathrooms or walls, making great strides to figure out how to do nothing, but look like they're doing something other than tax breaks for the highest earning minority in the nation.

        And one majority candidate uses the National Enquirer as an information source.

        I think we have bigger problems than a suggestion from a federal agency.

        Such as, "The best government that money can buy"?

    2. Wzrd1 Silver badge

      Re: Hello Big Corporate Brother

      Bleh.

      Shield your circuits, surge protect your equipment. EMP the damned thing, call it a day.

      If you're a consumer electronics technician, clean up. ;)

  15. thomas k

    Best practices

    When you see their eyes start to glaze over, stop talking.

  16. Aodhhan

    Means nothing

    This is just a waste of taxpayer money. What's worse, this sort of action allows individuals like this author read into and interpret something which isn't the case, and isn't the intention of the statements within.

    This is the FAA's jurisdiction. Commerce department can put out a voluntary guide for anything... it doesn't mean the ruling department (FAA in this case) has to look or consider it.

    Another look into the Obama administration and how inefficient it is.

  17. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

    And today's new factor for your credit score is...

    including anything relating to: employment eligibility, promotion, or retention; credit eligibility

    "It's a Fair Isaac drone! Look rich, everyone!"

    Though actually using drones would probably make FICO more transparent. At least you can see drones.

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