back to article ENISA / Europol almost argue against crypto backdoors

While the FBI, in the person of James Comey, continues its campaign to persuade the tech sector that mathematics isn't that big a thing and therefore backdoors are feasible, The European Union Agency for Network and Information Security (ENISA) and Europol have tip-toed around the issue, issuing a joint statement that both …

  1. Adrian Midgley 1

    Edited by a committee

    Always amusing.

    Often important.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    How can they protect us from NSA

    I'm curious, NSA spied on Europe, its leaders, its politicians, civil servants, judges, journalists etc. what was Europol's position on this crime? Approval? Acquiescence? Ambivalence? Have they even investigated it, or simply decided such crimes are too big to investigate?

    Are we saying that FBI can demand access to Europe's communications, even if it clashes with the EU right to privacy. A backdoor doesn't respect jurisdictional limits. Alice talks to Bob and the only jurisdiction there is Alice's and Bob's *NOT* Charlie, even if Charlie happens to have the backdoor key and really wants to listen in.

    Perhaps you're fine with US law applying to Europe, so what if the backdoor is being used by Russia or China or Israel or Syria even?

    And then there's the key escrow thing, all those LinkedIn passwords in escrow, how safe were they? It was a single point of failure, and it failed. Why do you need to reach around Alice and Bobs legal rights anyway?

    1. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

      Re: How can they protect us from NSA

      They can't. EOF.

    2. Aodhhan

      Re: How can they protect us from NSA

      You're assuming the intelligence service in your country never spies on other countries.

      The NSA is just the tip of the iceberg. Nearly every country has an intelligence service, and they all spy on other countries; even allies. If Europol went after the NSA, they'd have to go after everyone.. including themselves.

      A backdoor may not respect jurisdictional limits (WTF this means), but it can be subject to many different types of jurisdictions.

      Before you freak out about installed back doors, learn something about how encryption works. There is ways to make an installed back door very secure. A lot more secure than say... the method most people use to login, with their weak and often overused password.

      What you should be concerned about are the mountain of vulnerabilities available as an attack vector, which is what criminals (who are the real threat here) will use. I don't hear you griping about this.

      1. Trevor_Pott Gold badge

        Re: How can they protect us from NSA

        Criminals aren't the real threat. That's what insurance is for.

        Governments are the real threat. Their war on dissidents is only just the beginning. First they go after unpopular groups. You might think that's fine, but when they're through, they'll be going after you.

        I, for one, intend to remain a dissident. A free dissident, thanks.

  3. Chewi
    FAIL

    Courtery of RevK…

    If a British citizen with an iPhone purchased in France and roaming in Germany iMessages a Chinese citizen roaming in Sweden using an iPhone purchased in Denmark, which government's keys need to be inserted in the iMessage communications by an American company (Apple) legally based in Luxembourg using servers hosted in Eire?

    Source

  4. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "enough R&D and collaboration between EU agencies."

    Contracts. Expensive meetings in agreeable venues. Fact-finding missions to such notable cryptography centres as the Caribbean.

  5. Alistair
    Coat

    One statistic that we *never* hear about

    We were unable to prosecute ######## criminal events due to encrypted communications.

  6. Eclectic Man Silver badge

    Political understanding of Science

    Richard Dawkins has been succeeded in the Oxford chair for the Public Understanding of Science by the mathematician Marcus du Sautoy. Clearly there should be an associated chair to promote Politician's Understanding of Science.

    On the other hand, maybe applications for grants to study, say, unbreakable backdoors in public encryption would be more successful. Time to sharpen those quill pens, methinks.

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