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The Chinese government could fragment the internet if it pursues new registration rules for online addresses, the US government has warned. The warning by assistant commerce secretary Larry Strickling and state department ambassador Daniel Sepulveda comes in response to a decision by the Chinese government in March to require …

  1. Vimes

    ... "By creating its own rules for domain name management, China is threatening to fragment the Internet, which would limit the Internet’s ability to operate as a global platform for human communication, commerce, and creativity."...

    And that's so unlike creating their own rules for managing access to any data they can get their hands on: stuff like the PATRIOT act, FISAAA, executive order 12333 and christ knows what else they have at their disposal is all perfectly normal is it?

    I'll pay attention to anything they have to say on this sort of thing when they stop treating non-US citizens as non-people with no rights when it comes to privacy...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      What came to my mind are the domain seizures by ICE and the support. TTLAs no matter where they are registered. That my own government has singularly led efforts to break the internet, created whole new classes of cyber-weapons, and used our predominate connectivity to not only spy on the world+dog (dog being its own citizens, beaten regularly), well! Tack on world leading hypocrisy too. ICANN't see any reason to lift a pinky finger in support.

      I'll just ask again for a middle finger icon in stereo.

    2. ma1010
      Big Brother

      @ vimes

      I'll pay attention to anything they have to say on this sort of thing when they stop treating non-US citizens as non-people with no rights when it comes to privacy...

      Well, don't feel all that lonely! We US citizens are also non-people with no rights when it comes to privacy. That's what the Patriot Act and CISPA is all about over here, just like the Snooper's Charter in the UK. Privacy? Rights? Bah, humbug!

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Kim

    Wait, didn't Kim Kardashian already break the internet with those photos? Omg, how much more can it take?!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Kim

      I'm so well insulated from the tabloid press, literally the only time I've seen a Kardashian is in the parody video The Pirate Bay Song

  3. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "The world's governments have long acknowledged that what countries do within their own borders is largely their own business."

    The US, of course, has long taken the view that what it wants to do within other countries' borders is also its own business.

    Their upset about China's actions might have an element of sour grapes in that they didn't get round to doing that first.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Are they just talking about .cn domain names?

    If so, I don't see any reason why that's a problem. Aren't countries supposed to be able to manage those as they see fit? If they want real names, fingerprints and a blood sample that's for them to decide.

    If the worries about them blocking is that they'd block all domains except those ending in .cn, that would simplify the great firewall pretty nicely. Then any IP address it sees, if it doesn't reverse map to a .cn name it gets blocked. That's not great for the freedom of their citizens, but I don't think the US would want China telling us what our laws should be, so I don't see why we should tell them what theirs should be (aside from my country's belief that everyone should be subject to our laws, and we should be subject to no one's but our own)

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Are they just talking about .cn domain names?

      It's probably more like ICP license, that all sites hosted in China have to register for. More of the same, but stricter.

    2. Ken Hagan Gold badge

      Re: Are they just talking about .cn domain names?

      Well quite! Chez moi, I have the final say in what gets in or out of my network. It doesn't seem to have broken the internet yet. I really can't see why the Chinese government should enjoy fewer freedoms in this respect than I do.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The Arab Spring?

    Because that was, err, so successful?

    The one country not in complete shambles after it, Egypt, did have its free elections - only to have them overturned by a Western-supported coup later, because the result did not quite fit what we wanted.

  6. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge
    Mushroom

    554 Invalid recipient

    I welcome China's move to verify online users. In fact, APNIC should kick off this event by reclaiming all Chinese network addresses with falsified or inoperative ownership records. Root name servers should remove accreditation from all Chinese domain registrars with a recent history of allowing bulk registrations from unverified sources. Well done, China.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    China is going to get a bad rep if they keep copying the UK like this!

    Nominet the .uk registry has insisted on a policy of real names for nearly 2 years. They will vaildate whatever you put down in the ownership and if they can't prove it's real will cancel your registration.

    This policy wasn't taken by the members of Nominet, but by the highly paid senior staff that run the shower. My guess was Govt, Police or some other state organisation directed the policy and they just lapped it up.

  8. That_Guy

    sorry spooks..

    Going to be a little harder to blame China now. Next stop Russia and idk why, but Brazil is popular for their abuse.

  9. Howard Hanek
    Childcatcher

    Oh Yea, Right

    ....and impact global warming, income inequality, the share price of APL and the Summer Olympics in Brazil. I think they OWN Brazil now as a matter of fact.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    They can take our internets

    But they'll never take our anonymity!!!

  11. DerekCurrie
    Devil

    China: Criminal Nation, Is Totalitarian. Surprise.

    Tell China to take their abusive totalitarian bovine excrement and vigorously insert it with great pressure up their back orifice.

    What A Hell Hole.

    Dear Chinese Government Boss-Of-Us:

    NO.

    1. Mystic Megabyte
      Devil

      Re: China: Criminal Nation, Is Totalitarian. Surprise.

      Today, President Trump decreed that from now on the internet is to be called the Trumpernet and everybody who uses it has to pay him. Why he had a pencil in each nostril has yet to be explained.

      1. Rich 11

        Re: China: Criminal Nation, Is Totalitarian. Surprise.

        Why he had a pencil in each nostril has yet to be explained.

        Because the pencils give balance to the underpants on his head, obviously.

  12. Allan George Dyer
    Pirate

    I'm hoping...

    this will be the end of the "We are the ??? Domain Registration Service in China and someone else is trying to register your company name" scams, but I very much doubt it.

  13. Suricou Raven

    Fight them with technology.

    The only way to prevent censorship of the internet is to build it using technology that resists censorship efforts.

    Even simple SSL is a powerful tool: MITM isn't practical on a country-wide scale, so it prevents governments from selectively blocking individual pages or inspecting content - all they can do is block an entire host, which creates much more upset from the population. It also makes monitoring communication to identify subversives much more difficult.

  14. Sorry, you cannot reuse an old handle.

    How is this any different from what other countries are doing with their own registrars?

    I have a dozen .com and get pestered on a monthly basis in order to update my whois information, which contains name and address so I'm pretty sure that they can identify me quite easily...

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge

      I understood it to mean domains (websites, e-mail, etc...) registered with China must verify their users' (commentards) real names.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    So let me get this right....

    the government demanding all registrants are vetted. BAD

    Private company taking down domains with due process or right to appeal. GOOD.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/13/motion_picture_ass_of_america_to_guard_online_henhouse/

    Got it.

  16. jake Silver badge

    I've been dropping everything .cn at the firewall for years.

    So far? No problems. They may have something important to say, eventually, at which point I might unblock them.

    ::shrugs::

    1. ritey

      Re: I've been dropping everything .cn at the firewall for years.

      All the more Viagra for me

  17. msknight

    Oh well...

    Bang goes the ability to buy Chinese tat off fleabay.

    Or is that necessarily not a bad thing.... hmmm.....

  18. hellwig

    Kick em Off

    Sounds like China wants to run their own internet, and why not let them? Cut the cables at their borders and let's get on with our day.

    More IPV4 addresses for the rest of us!

    1. Ken Hagan Gold badge

      Re: Kick em Off

      "More IPV4 addresses for the rest of us!"

      I thought China was one of the keener adopters of IPv6 precisely because of the shortage of IPv4 addresses in that part of the world.

  19. energystar
    Windows

    Understand need of oversight...

    But restriction of avatars in particular, and anonymity in general will bring even more procrastination to the less empowered, and to the smaller voices.

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