back to article Reskilling to become a devops dude could net you $105k+

There’s a skills shortage in DevOps and that’s forcing up salaries. A Netenrich survey of 200 CIOs last year found 97 per cent of large and mid-market US firms are moving to cloud – yet the same CIOs reckon their IT teams are lacking the necessary qualifications to make that move. Nearly half (42 per cent) said their IT staff …

  1. Voland's right hand Silver badge

    Can we stop this pyramid scheme nonsense

    I love watching pyramid investment schemes from the sidelines, but the devops one has become even less funny than Ruby-On-Rails boom of circa 2006.

    I think it is about time for the editor to step in and start filtering out the endless stream of double glazing style infomercials.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Can we stop this pyramid scheme nonsense

      Can you elaborate on the Ruby-On-Rails boom?

      I was developing in PHP at the time and pretty much missed / ignored the entire thing.

      1. Nate Amsden

        Re: Can we stop this pyramid scheme nonsense

        RoR boom to me was in the mid 00s. These days the boom has sort of moved on in my opinion to things like node.js (which is even worse than RoR, hard to imagine they could of gotten worse)

    2. Christian Berger

      I don't think that's what TheReg is about

      So far "tech marketing" seems to be a large part of it's identity.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Can we stop this pyramid scheme nonsense

      Dear El Reg, I don't think you're biting the hand that feed IT anymore... at least if DecOps is concerned.

      1. Dwarf

        Re: Can we stop this pyramid scheme nonsense

        Seconding the @AC

        El Reg. How about having a preferences page for each subscriber, where we can opt out of all the crap we don't want - then you could put your efforts into the things we DO want to know about.

        Here's some suggestions for my initial options page

        (o) Display technical news

        (o) Optimise web site for 2016 - Display fluid designs that use my screen width. Clean up the layout

        ( ) Display Pointless Adverts - I never read adverts / click on them

        ( ) Display pointless pictures - they slow things down and its obvious when I'm slacking at work. if I want pictures, I go to different sites.

        ( ) Devops

      2. Voland's right hand Silver badge

        Re: Can we stop this pyramid scheme nonsense

        Dear El Reg, I don't think you're biting the hand that feed IT anymore.

        Second that. If I want to enjoy observing how an IT publication is gagging on a marketeer *** I will go and peruse one of IDG group websites. Regardless of is it done in a devopsy sort of way or it is in some other double glazing context.

  2. Paul Webb

    "If you see a bandwagon,

    it's too late."

    - James Goldsmith

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What about those working in a consulting capacity that is neither development or operations?

    1. Bill M

      They can carry on as per normal - Watch others do the work, then take credit for it and up their day rate.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: What about those working in a consulting capacity

      "What about us brain-dead slobs?"

      "You'll be given cushy jobs."

      Monorail...

  4. captain veg Silver badge

    how come?

    I'm a developer and were it not for reading el Reg, I would not have even heard of DevOps. Is it a real thing?

    As for salary embiggenment, that doesn't sound very likely to me. When I was looking for my first job as a programmer, several millenia ago, countless employment agencies tried to persuade me to take lowly paid operations roles as a "way in". How spending all day changing tape reels would help was never explained.

    -A.

    1. BoldMan

      Re: how come?

      Because it isn't a ~"REAL" real thing, its a marketing gimmick thought up by management twats, marketing morons and training parasites.

      1. Hans 1
        Happy

        Re: how come?

        >Because it isn't a ~"REAL" real thing, its a marketing gimmick thought up by management twats, marketing morons and training parasites.

        It is real, it works, somewhat, and it is way better than not improving on anything you do ... just akin to never adapting your working habits ... in effect, the main benefit of it is to make the change imperceptible because you change little things at a time, all by giving people a much better overview of all the achievements made and tasks to be completed and creates multi-talent pools of employees.

        Just because your organization does not see the benefits of these processes or has attempted yet badly implemented it does not mean it does not work. Yes, there is a lot of hype around it, sadly, but it has improved things for us ... our team had grown quite extensively and we were forced to change ... so agile it became, first, then devops seemed the logical next steps ... it probably helps that some in ops are former devs ... we are now "very" agile !!!!

        Now, what was that jobsite again ?

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    We need a sign on El Reg

    A bit like those "xx days without accidents" signs on building sites, El Reg needs a sign with "xx days without a DevOps article".

    Don't bother with more than one digit..

    "I .. see a siiiiiign ..." .. <blat>

    Sorry, some Scientology chap sneaked in. Dealt with.

    1. Bill M

      Re: We need a sign on El Reg

      .... and no need for anything complicated, just hard code the number of days to 0.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: We need a sign on El Reg

        .... and no need for anything complicated, just hard code the number of days to 0.

        Not quite, if you enter "devops" in the El Reg site search engine you'll see that there is a certain rhythm to it - as far as I can see, the DevOps writers work parttime so I guess you'll be able to get at least a single digit on there.

  6. Erik4872

    It is a big shift for many IT folks

    Think about the traditional split between development and systems work. Both have their share of very deep specialist knowledge and siloing, but it usually breaks down like this:

    - Developers write code on their own machine or VM, package it up and send it to the systems guys to implement, not knowing or caring how the code operates on real (virtual) production hardware.

    - Ops guys are typically developers of automation tools, and that's pretty much it. They focus on keeping the tower of messy stuff developers write functioning.

    Now that traditional hardware is being abstracted away, it seems to me that these groups need to meet somewhere in the middle. There's going to be either less work for hardware or data center experts, or it will move to service providers who will squeeze salaries to make their margins work. Similarly, developers will have to learn a little bit about the systems their stuff has to run on to remain useful in the world of offshoring and H-1B replacements of staff. The salary squeeze is definitely happening at both ends, and cloud seems to be the driver. Developers aren't commanding massive salaries anymore for knowledge of a small set of web frameworks (except in startup-land) but developers with a broad base of knowledge will always do well. Similarly, the "EMC guy" or "Cisco guy" or "Windows Server guy" is seeing less of a premium for extremely narrow sets of skills.

    I definitely see less of a role for deep specialists on the systems side with software-defined everything coming down the line for most environments. The thing that has to calm down is the hype around DevOps. There are so many tools, frameworks, orchestration layers, ALM products, etc, and so much breathless chatter about it that the core message sometimes gets lost.

  7. Bill M

    DevOooops!!

    DevOooops!! Has been around since Babbage's day when his test data did not include the scenario which led to a divide by zero.

    1. BebopWeBop
      Joke

      Re: DevOooops!!

      But there was a very good reason for that - divide by reason would at best have rsulted in mechanical failure and at worst, a massive all consuming fiery ball that would have done for Ada and himself...

  8. Warm Braw

    You can do it all in your bedroom at home

    Just remember to close the curtains.

  9. MD Rackham

    The cost

    Of course, to acquire that increase in salary, you'll have to become comfortable using terms like "reskilling."

    In other words, at the cost of your immortal soul.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Mushroom

    /dev/ops

    # mknod -m 666 /dev/ops c 5 9

    There, I did it. I now have /dev/ops.

    Can we stop this shit now?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: /dev/ops

      I have a udev rule that fires when /dev/null is created and symlinks /dev/ops to /dev/null. I then send relevant content to where it belongs, by writing it to /dev/ops.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Reskilling

    After exhaustively researching into what DevOps actually is I have reached the conclusion that it's the square root of bugger all. So this article proposes reskilling to get paid a packet for doing bugger all. Sounds like great advice .... to become a consultant.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Monorail...monorail...monorail...

    That is all.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    > [from the article] breadth of understanding is key

    So... the fad has become so big that they're chasing the few people who love broad rather than deep knowledge.

    Problem is, these people are born not made. You have to have a whole-system perspective to fit the model... which is why the traditional dev->ops split increases the pool of people who can make a worthwhile contribution in IT.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    ...Reskilling to become a devops dude...

    Sorry, Dudettes. No salary increase for you.

    Not for me too -- I'm too old to even consider being called "dude".

  15. Nate Amsden

    $105k means nothing

    Unless you put it in context as to what market that pay is in.

    $105k could practically be considered minimum wage living in the SF bay area anyway (having just left there on Monday).

    Also helps to say what someone in IT that doesn't have "devops" might make in the same market.

    I couldn't live off $105k today no way.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: $105k means nothing

      Dear Mr. Programmer,

      I'm Senior DevOPS head manager at Chigeria Enterprise. We have a job offer for you that will pay more than $105K (A HUNDRED AND FIVE THOUSEND US DOLLLARS). All you need to do is send us some money for some basic training that we assure will be very easy since our research already told us that you have all prerequisites for this job.

      Please reply with this message with all your bank information.

      Peace in Christ,

      Your Friend

      McSenior DevOpsface

    2. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

      Re: $105k means nothing

      It looks good until you find out that is only gonna get paid for 3 months while you train your H1b replacements who will get $25K per year.

      What price that Snake-oil now?

  16. energystar
    Joke

    "...number of downloads..."; As those 'millions' of 13_JS_lines at NPM?

    "...cash..."; Blood and sweat won, a la ORACLE way?

    1. energystar
      Windows

      Too much sentimental yesterday.

      Ethanol effects. Maybe that inner Grinch being a little sensitive about rosy times at the Pithonic Headquarters, while īdūs winds dry the lands.

  17. energystar
    Trollface

    Covers pretty all what matters of 'Clouds' Mission.

    "...as well as metrics, collection and telemetry – these are super important,” Walls says."

    Differing from traditional 'Nets', 'Clouds' are pretty 'Su(*ers'. Shouldn't We change their name?

  18. energystar
    Happy

    Sincerily a very good one...

    “People from help desk environments can demonstrate value from developing their ability to work across teams, and accurately and rapidly assess people’s and businesses’ requirements.”

  19. SwordOfEnlightenment

    Not like that in the Netherlands

    Interesting article but sounds out of touch with reality ..... Here in the Netherlands you are lucky to get a job of 45K Euros as developer/devops/etc. Unless you're 175 yours old with 300 years of Cobol and Perl experience. But then you're probably claiming benefits as there are more than 7000 IT professionals unemployed here with half of them older than 50....

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Not like that in the Netherlands

      Every day I had to program in Cobol felt like a thousand hot Mondays. I guess I qualify?

  20. John 104

    You Try It

    If Operations is so easy, why is it that it is still a highly paid field of work? My guess would be that it isn't quite as easy as some thing. No, wait, it isn't a guess. It IS difficult. That is why there are specialists who do it. Just like Dev.

    1. Caff

      Re: You Try It

      Ops are usually paid well as they work shift. I can't imagine most devs would want to work rotating graveyard shifts monitoring batch jobs for finance companies.

      1. Hans 1
        WTF?

        Re: You Try It

        >I can't imagine most devs would want to work rotating graveyard shifts monitoring batch jobs for finance companies.

        WTF ???? It is not the 90's anymore, mate, get an automation solution to do that !

  21. raving angry loony

    dear El Reg

    You forgot the whole "up to" $105k +,

    and you also forgot the "but wait, you ALSO get... lines".

    If you're going to let the US office start acting like a bunch of TV infomercial fuckwits at least get it RIGHT!

  22. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Reskilling?

    Not necessary. Anybody who has used continuous integration/deployment and some level of automation or configuration management in the past is vastly overqualified for the majority of DevOps positions already. Middle management loves this new buzzword (along with the tearing down of silos [shrinking head count to you and me], becoming agile [sc(r)um!] and doing everything on demand [sold on the idea that cloud is cheaper - though it very rarely is]), but they don't see that there's absolutely nothing new to it, and can't conclusively explain what DevOps means to them anyway. It is even worse than "Cloud" ever was, as far as clear definitions go.

    The only reskilling required is brushing up on bullshit bingo and developing a thick enough skin to carry on with business as usual until this hype is replaced by the next big buzzword.

    I'm working for a rather large player at the moment, who fell for DevOps and Cloud approx 3 years ago (because cheaper, on demand, blah blah).

    Until then, they had infrastructure in a proper data centre, no single points of failure, excellent performance, and most importantly total control over every bit of it.

    The the C-level gang demanded a "lift & shift" to the cloud, asap, ignoring all advice that nothing can be put there as is and expected to work the same way. So what's the situation now?

    * automated deployment is only semi-automated and regularly fails, because developers are out of their depth doing "infrastructure as code"

    * nothing scales, because none of the applications are designed for it

    * hardly anything even fails over gracefully

    * monitoring is barely good enough to work out retrospectively what might have happened; usually after customers started shouting

    * single points of failure all around because they decided they could do without system and infrastucture guys during the transition from in-house to cloud... because that's what the cloud does in some sort of magic way, right?

    * sites regularly topple over, because nobody has thought of testing and benchmarking playing a major role in a disaster-free automated deployment process

    * team is approximately double the size than it used to be

    * it's vastly more expensive than before

    * security was not even an afterthought... and now suddenly becomes a big issue and a rather interesting retrofit; infrastructure guys and sysadmins could have sorted out most of it before the migration, but they weren't needed, because "infrastructure as code". Thing is, if you don't understand infrastructure, you cannot code it. And security begins with properly designed infrastructure.

    Bottom line: Developers shouldn't (and usually don't want to) do Ops stuff. Ops guys shouldn't (and usually don't want to) do Dev stuff. And management shouldn't try to "streamline" and "synergise" shit and try to "remove silos" where there used to be excellent communication between teams *before* management started waving the DevOps flag and confusing the hell out of most people, especially those who have been working in either development or ops for more than a handful of years and therefore struggle to see the novelty.

    1. energystar
      Paris Hilton

      Re: Reskilling?

      So, 'Cloud' means: let's get rid of the local pack of weirdos with aluminum hats?

    2. energystar

      Re: Reskilling?

      So DevOps mean: Civilian Spy Apprentices? With all those flying broomsticks?

      1. energystar
        Coat

        Mmmh...

        Or just 'creative accounting' to pay developers operative salaries?

    3. energystar
      Holmes

      Is all this fade

      Is all this Lingo, by any hope, anymore than O'Really Chimeric Dream?

  23. ecofeco Silver badge

    Oh, it's not an advert

    You too could learn X in your spare time and earn X more money!

    So this is a genuine article and not an advert? Please excuse my jaded response, I've been hearing this bullshit for decades.

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    interesting

    I have a keen interesting...

  25. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Shortage in made up term shock horror!

    Since the whole DevOps thing was only made up by recruitment 'consultants' about 6 months ago it's hardly surprising that there's a supposed skills shortage.

    I can say 'cloud' a lot - so far as I can make out that makes me a DevOps ninja. 105K please.

    This is recruitment agency marketing tripe masquerading as content; I thought The Register was better than that.

  26. theOtherJT Silver badge

    Dev on a budget

    That's what this is really about. When you're Ops that also does Dev I'm prepared to bet that 95% of the time it's because whoever you work for is too cheap to employ proper devs. I reckon that I'm "DevOps" which is to say my title is "Systems Administrator", which sounds like Ops to me, but when it comes to what I actually _do_ here, that doesn't mean a damn thing.

    I'm responsible for researching things, buying them, installing them, configuring them (which all seems like Ops) but then, when inevitably someone goes "Oh, can it also do this? AndbythewayweneeditbyFriday" hacking together some code to patch in whatever awful thing we've been asked for without spending any money because we haven't got any.

  27. myhandler

    Eh what? - no idea what it is but from above comments I can file under gibberish

    And what's Docker, Jenkins and Puppet ?

    New names for the UK political parties or kinky sex moves?

    1. energystar
      Pint

      Uh! Aah! Ooooh!

      Cheers!

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