back to article Crap IT means stats crew don't really know how UK economy's doing

Clunky IT systems at the Office for National Statistics (ONS) have contributed to inaccurate reporting of economic growth, according to an independent review of UK economic statistics. The report (PDF), by Professor Sir Charles Bean of the London School of Economics, said the ONS's current technology estate "is in dire need of …

  1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
    Windows

    Install R!

    Also, how can you pretend to find out how the economy is doing when you have bullshit measure like "GDP", a value of double-accounting, cost-can-kicking and fudging if there ever was one?

    1. phil dude
      Boffin

      Re: Install R!

      well with maths illiteracy being an acceptable social phenomena. The govt and corps don't want everyone educated - they want you to *pay* for education, just not get above your station. The lowest common denominator are the numbers that can be fudged.

      This makes the hand waving hierarchy of the media (source -> media A -> media B -> media C -> BBC -> Daily Mail), nicely confusing to fill up the news cycle.

      You cannot trust any analysis without seeing the working.

      True for molecules - And would true for economics, if it wasn't all made up....

      P.

  2. batfastad

    Office for National Statistics

    You had one job.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Stats cuts two ways

    Processing, and collecting

    We've received a official survey from some part of HMG looking at IT use.

    They want, among many questions, to be told what percentage of invoices are sent out electronically. And how much value of the month's invoicing that is, as a percentage, to ONE decimal point.

    Because when you're aggregating a bunch of small businesses electronic trading, those point-ones really add up. But deliver less in terms of understanding the UK economy than the lost time for all the businesses trying to work out the data.

  4. Nick Kew

    Goodhart's Law

    This is the time-honoured tradition of fiddling the books. Goodhart's law applies, and measured GDP has long-since passed its use-by date, and reached a peak of systematic bias in the Blair Feelgood bubble of a decade ago when it was massively overstated.

    Now it seems we're going to leverage up the con. Put the whole bias on steroids; create a new Derivative product from Goodhart. Could this be a panic response to the apparent ending of the bubble in Prime London property sales to the foreign super-rich that has served as a crutch to the stats since the big crash?

    1. MonkeyCee

      Re: Goodhart's Law

      Well, the super rich will be always be buying prime real estate, often writing off any current building on the property. So emptymansions that no-one lives in make sense in a world where buying bits of London have proved a very good long term investment for all involved. Or buying any property where the long term value is the land and building permits, and not the actual building.

      It of course has nothing to do with either dirty money, nor with people finding ways around foreign capital exchange rules, nor with London being a magic portal into legal and taxational ringworlds of great ingenuity and terror. Because no good and honest bank would ever do that. HSBC only launders drug money out of tradition etc.

      GDP is of course a fantasy that would be applauded even by Orwell. GDP has increased Free Citizen! Life is Good! Do the Spend! Watch the Strictly! Where is your trans-awareness-and-love day bracelet citizen? Do you not the love the trans and accept them as the wonderful people they are? Are you in fact, a Hater?!? Did you not see that GDP has risen, and We Are Happy! Don't be a Hater!

      Where's my coat. I need to buy beer. Raising GDP and the happiness index at the same time.

      1. Dan 55 Silver badge
        WTF?

        Re: Goodhart's Law

        Are you channelling Stewart Lee in the penultimate paragraph?

    2. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

      Re: Goodhart's Law

      The GDP, or rather the size of it, is bound to be one of the more influencial points in the should-we-stay-or-should-we-go discussion. It would be nice to have accurate and current data here.

  5. Primus Secundus Tertius

    Cloudy statistics

    Can't they just put all their data into some marvellous cloud? Then all they need for each important staff member is a PC running MS Access. Bring Your Own would save costs, the Treasury might suggest.

    Except, of course, they have to get data into the cloud. I suspect that is where the problems are.

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: Cloudy statistics

      "Except, of course, they have to get data into the cloud. I suspect that is where the problems are."

      I have a random number generator they could licence from me on a per day, per CPU basis for a low, low price. Just so long as they sign up for the support agreement and rent the licence management software from me required to make sure everything runs smoothly (into my bank account.)

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Linux

    Different statistical outputs are produced in isolation?

    'Different statistical outputs are produced in isolation and the supporting IT systems are poorly interconnected, with "hundreds of applications, on 25 different platforms,"'

    Have they tried hiring a developer to write an app that converts the output from the applications to XML and then use this data as input to the final report generator?

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Linux

    Hardware security audits?

    "Attackers are attracted by the lack of security analysis and missing controls like firewalls and antivirus within embedded devices"

    Any defects in the hardware would also be exposed through the resident firewall and antivirus.

  8. TheProf

    Complexity = statistical snafus, says Professor Bean

    and the only way out of it is to give more money to the ONS continued the good knight.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    [Different statistical outputs are produced in isolation and the supporting IT systems are poorly interconnected, with "hundreds of applications, on 25 different platforms," according to the report.]

    We have collected files. Instead of baselined on quality, we have made people responsible for both processing the data and scrubbing/reporting and knowing what's in it. And now wonder why everybody has their own programming standards, their own hard and software choices, and their own data-quality standards. Vendors and knowledgeowrkers together with lower management dictate what is happening?

    What you reward you reap.

  10. brakepad

    Brain drain

    Heard on the news that 90%(!) of their "top statisticians" were not willing to make the move from London to Newport when the headquarters were relocated. That was back in 2006, but if true then it must have dented their capabilities, IT infrastructure limitations notwithstanding.

  11. SeanC4S

    What are the likes of Oracle there for:

    https://www.oracle.com/servers/sparc/m7-16/index.html

  12. F0ul

    There are several simple technical fixes - modern Middleware being the most obvious - but the real problem is that a greater accuracy of a made up number is still going to be a fantasy!

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Excel

    So one Excel sheet is not connected to another....

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