back to article Feel like you got ripped off online? This is for you

A new online platform that will resolve problems between European consumers and online retailers will open Saturday. The online dispute resolution (ODR) service will allow people who have bought goods or services online and then had a problem with them to have their issue resolved through third-party referees and without …

  1. James 51

    Any chance of a low cost on line payment processing platform that can dynamically handle all the different VAT and taxes for different countries?

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/12/17/eu_vat_law_could_kill_off_thousands_of_online_businesses/

    1. imanidiot Silver badge

      Ofcourse not. That would actually be useful. We all know the EU can only do super expensive solutions to problems that dont exist and symbolic gesture politics in response to and as a result of blind panic. Preferably if it results in extra jobs and pay for them and their cronies.

      1. imanidiot Silver badge
        Trollface

        Wow, 3 downvotes in 2 hours, I didn't know we had that many eurofiles here at the reg.

  2. Scott Broukell

    Cue . . . .

    Ne're-do-wells phoning to say they need your bank details etc in order for you to get a refund for your recent naff web purchase and U-rope says so, so there . . . . ends in tears for some (again). I wonder how they might propose to deal with that?

    1. Lars Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: Cue . . . .

      "to say they need your bank details". Never do it, nothing new here, (unless they want to send you lots of money).

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Online traders will also be legally obliged to insert a link to the platform on their websites.

    Bit worried about this bit. Who does that apply to? What happens if you don't? It's a nice idea in theory, but if you're the only one doing it, it'll make your site look dead sketchy. Definitely not going to be an early adopter of this...

    1. VinceH

      "Bit worried about this bit. Who does that apply to? What happens if you don't? It's a nice idea in theory, but if you're the only one doing it, it'll make your site look dead sketchy. Definitely not going to be an early adopter of this..."

      Just hide the link in the cellar, with no lights, no stairs, in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory, with a sign on the door saying "beware of the leopard" the terms and conditions/legal blurb. That's what the bigger companies will do, unless the obligation is to display it prominently, on every page. (The linked PDF doesn't say anything more than the article: that online retailers must have a link on their site).

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        That was more-or-less how I'd already decided to approach things; but some clearer guidelines about requirements (especially minimum display requirements and to-do-by dates) and penalties would come in handy.

        There's loads more PDFs on their site; but I'm not in the mood to wade through reams of (B)Eurowank to find the nuggets I need.

        1. graeme leggett Silver badge

          The regulation

          This is the meat in REGULATION (EU) No 524/2013. As I read it, the requirement to link to the ODR is part of a requirement to offer non-court approach to settlement of any issue in the contract BEFORE being bound to contract. Which implies current rules on not burying stuff in small print apply.

          "In order to ensure broad consumer awareness of the existence of the ODR platform, traders established within the Union engaging in online sales or service contracts should provide, on their websites, an electronic link to the ODR platform. ...

          This obligation should be without prejudice to Article 13 of Directive 2013/11/EU concerning the requirement that traders inform consumers about the ADR procedures by which those traders are covered and about whether or not they commit to use ADR procedures to resolve disputes with consumers. Furthermore, that obligation should be without prejudice to point (t) of Article 6(1) and to Article 8 of Directive 2011/83/EU of the European Parliament and of the Council of 25 October 2011 on consumer rights ( 1 ). Point (t) of Article 6(1) of Directive 2011/83/EU stipulates for consumer contracts concluded at a distance or off premises, that the trader is to inform the consumer about the possibility of having recourse to an out-of-court complaint and redress mechanism to which the trader is subject, and the methods for having access to it, before the consumer is bound by the contract."

          Then we get to article 14 of the text "That link shall be easily accessible for consumers." and

          "They shall provide an electronic link to the ODR platform on their websites and, if the offer is made by e-mail, in that e-mail. The information shall also be provided, where applicable, in the general terms and conditions applicable to online sales and service contracts."

        2. graeme leggett Silver badge

          and the penalties clause

          "Article 18

          Penalties

          Member States shall lay down the rules on penalties applicable to infringements of this Regulation and shall take all measures necessary to ensure that they are implemented. The penalties provided for must be effective, proportionate and dissuasive."

          So up to the state the business is trading in to apply the stick...

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @graeme leggett - thanks for that.

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