back to article Boffins teach Wi-Fi routers to dance to the same tune

Research presented to this week's IEEE International Conference on Network Protocols suggests a fairly simple enhancement to Wi-Fi could help deal with the chronic congestion caused by its popularity. It would be nice if twenty different base stations in twenty different apartments could coordinate their transmissions, but …

  1. Your alien overlord - fear me

    And with OpenWRT or whatever it's called, I adjust my router to use 2 heartbeats to everyone elses one beat. Open source, don't you just love it.

  2. Christian Berger

    Verry sensible, though you'd expect that already to be implemented via LAN...

    ...at least on larger installations.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "Kuzmanovic's paper explains that since FM has good propagation characteristics, there's a very good chance all of the base stations in a neigbourhood will lock on to the same station."

    I don't know if this is as certain as claimed. Suppose the building in question is pretty big, yet plenty of hotspots clash. However, it's also within the reach of not one but many different FM stations each coming from different angles. There's a distinct chance different parts of the building will lock onto different stations due to the differing signal strengths. Also, suppose some of these stations have no (or worse, spotty) RDS.

    1. Filippo Silver badge

      It sounds like in that case you'd still get gains, just not as much.

    2. Known Hero
      FAIL

      Fuck it lets scrap the idea then, well spotted flaw.

      It might not work for bob, who lives in Yorkshire surrounded by 28 different radio towers, Lets not bother then chaps, Sorry to of got you all worked up !!!

      Also Frank lives in a Faraday cage so no use to him either !!!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Just pointing out this is more common than you think. I'm of a mind one should never tout a new technology until it's run the gauntlet of real-world testing under worst-case conditions that can be specified along with the results. I mean, I know plenty of radio station (particularly those low on the dial) whose reception quality differed considerably just by rotating the receiver around the vertical. And that's not even starting with fiddling with antennae.

      2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        "Frank lives in a Faraday cage so no use to him either"

        OTOH if Frank lives in a Faraday cage there's not a lot of interference between his network and the neighbours.

      3. Allan George Dyer

        Let's wait for some real-world tests before scrapping it...

        In my apartment, I can often see over 20 WiFi networks, and FM reception is patchy (best near windows). I'm guessing this has something to do with the reinforced concrete construction of the building. This solution seems least likely to work where it is needed the most, but let's see the test results.

        (I'm going to ask the building management to remove the reinforcing bars to improve the FM reception ;-)

  4. TRT Silver badge

    until...

    the idiots in Whitehall turn FM off so they can flog the bandwidth.

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      Re: until...

      Yes, that was my first thought too!!

  5. Filippo Silver badge

    Why do many base stations have a FM receiver?

    1. Old Handle

      Unclear. Possibly because it's cheaper to make one kind of "does-everything" receiver (software-defined radio) and use it in all kinds of devices. They didn't specify that it's a separate FM receiver.

  6. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge

    I thought 5 GHz was the solution to urban congestion by having lots of channels and poor penetration. I've never seen it get too crowded and I've never seen it travel through more than 3 walls.

    1. Martin an gof Silver badge

      5GHz

      Yeah, but plenty of kit comes without 5GHz capability. If you are going to move to 5GHz you have to be very careful about the things you buy.

      M.

  7. Chris Miller

    NTP

    is useful for getting all your devices on (roughly) the same time, but is subject to network delays (latency etc.) of tens (or in worse cases hundreds) of milliseconds, so is completely useless for the purposes described.

    1. SImon Hobson Bronze badge

      Re: NTP

      Actually, NTP is designed to take this into account.

      As long as you give it time to settle, it can stabilise clocks to a fraction of a microsecond accuracy. And given that most routers and APs are left on nearly all the time, giving NTP time to settle shouldn't be an issue.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: NTP

      @Chris Miller.

      Utterly wrong. You've already been corrected.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The FM band should be scanned for the strongest signals. The scan should be repeated several times over a few minutes to smooth any transient signal changes. The lowest frequency one with the best weighted average should then be used.

    That will avoid different routers locking onto marginal signals. There would still be a possibility of two routers selecting different stations eg where there are several stations on the same transmitter at the same nominal power.

    1. JeffyPoooh
      Pint

      "...should be scanned for the strongest signals..."

      YSSMV

      Your signal strengths may vary. Shifting a receiver by even a meter can make a big difference.

      How is it even possible that you don't realize this? It's obvious.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: "...should be scanned for the strongest signals..."

        Rotating the receiver in place can have serious differences as well, and I'm just talking about doing it on a horizontal surface, to say nothing of routers mounted on walls or ceilings.

  9. David Haworth 1
    FAIL

    Oh great ...

    Now we'll all need telly licences for our routers.

    (Not sure about UK any more, but in DE you need a license for a radio too)

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Oh great ...

      UK radio does not need a licence.

  10. Cuddles

    Clock signals

    Instead of messing about looking for a random radio station which not everyone agrees on (their method of just picking the lowest frequency with a good signal guarantees that different receivers in different positions will pick different stations) and then looking at arbitrary structure that happens to be present, why not just use the actual clock signals? Most countries have them, or can at least see the signals from neighbouring countries, and the technology is already extremely widespread in regular clocks.

    1. SImon Hobson Bronze badge

      Re: Clock signals

      I think the point here is that many of the chipsets already include an FM receiver.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Clock signals

        You'll also find that time signals have inconsistent strength. For example, most radio devices are sharp enough to only try to pick up the NIST radio time signal WWVB at night because the signal doesn't propagate as far during the day. Also, WWVB is stationed in Colorado. Meaning cities like New York are a real stretch, even at night. Plus the signal has trouble with walls. So anyone seriously needing to use WWVB on the east coast usually have to dedicate hardware to the task: outdoors and facing west.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Clock signals

          "So anyone seriously needing to use WWVB on the east coast usually have to dedicate hardware to the task: outdoors and facing west."

          My several cheap and cheerful radio clocks work fine in Nova Scotia.

          The obvious variable (explaining your "usually") is the ambient LF noise level at the receiver location.

          If you live in "cities like New York", then you'll be surrounded by hundreds of switching power supplies and other RF noise sources, and the noise level at LF will be simply atrocious.

          If you live on several acres of RF quiet suburban bliss, then the weak signal is reliably above the noise floor.

    2. jabuzz

      Re: Clock signals

      Actually very few countries have clock signals. While most of them are based on amplitude modulated LW, some are based on alternative techniques, these include the French TDF, the Rusian RBU. Of the amplitude modulated only MSF, JJY60 and WWVB share a frequency of 60kHz the 77.5kHz of DCF77 is also shared with BSF. This is important because the cheap receivers all used pre-tuned ferrite rod antennas, so even if you equip your WiFi hotspot with both 60kHz and 77.5kHz antennas it will be useless in northern Japan where you need a 40kHz antenna for JJY40. It will also be useless in China which you need a 68.5kHz antenna for BPC. The Russian RBU uses frequency modulation of the pulse which will require another completely different circuit for, and the French TDF uses phase modulate of the TDF radio station signal to encode the bits, which would also require a completely different circuit design.

      There are no LW radio stations in South America, Africa, or Australia. There are SW radio time signals but these require much more expensive circuits to receive. Further complicating matters is the fact that many of these time signals are not broadcast 24/7 either.

      I think people in Europe and North America tend to forget how fortunate they are to have reliable LW time signals.

      1. Androgynous Cupboard Silver badge

        Re: Clock signals

        I now know more about clock signals than I thought there was to know. Have an upvote.

      2. Cuddles

        Re: Clock signals

        @jabuzz

        Fair points, but mostly not insurmountable. My watch happily picks up signals in the UK (60kHz), Germany (77.5kHz), USA (60kHz) and Japan (40 and 60kHz). And of course those are just the signal sources, it generally manages to pick up a signal practically anywhere in western Europe and that's just based on places I've actually travelled. If a small, fairly cheap, low power watch can manage that, it surely can't be beyond the wit of man to do so in kit like routers. Or of course there's always the possibility of simply making kit slightly more localised - everything stays the same except the antenna and decoder. Phones already need significantly more variation than that to operate in different countries. Although admittedly that doesn't help places with no time signal at all.

        In any case, I'm still struggling to see how anything could be worse than "search for a random radio station and hope it's the same one someone else picked". My car routinely finds different stations than I can in my house, and getting in a friend's car will inevitably result in a different selection again. The idea that routers would reliably be able to all fix on the same signal is utterly ridiculous. Clock signals may not be a perfect solution, but they'd be a hell of a lot better than relying on blind luck.

    3. JeffyPoooh
      Pint

      Re: Clock signals

      If another time source is required, because your router can't get NTP where you live (huh!!??!!), then GPS provides a convenient source.

      The real downside is cost, on the order of $10.

      Good GPS chipsets are amazingly sensitive. I've got one in my basement, permanently locked on and happily blinking its LED at a synchronized to UTC 1 pps.

  11. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "an FM baseband receiver that's either lying unused in a device, or could be cheaply added to it."

    Oh yes? Here's a device without an FM receiver. Now how do you propose to cheaply add one? Soldering iron, piece of twin-flex & a cheap tranny? Or is "add" an abbreviation for "throw it away & buy a new one"?

    1. phuzz Silver badge
      Coat

      Buying a new router in order to improve your wireless reception would be considered normal by most people.

      Of course, it would be lovely if a simple software upgrade could suddenly boost your wireless speed, but it's unlikely.

  12. JeffyPoooh
    Pint

    The whole concept is daft...

    If your router is connected to the Internet, then it can execute a NTP inquiry. The End.

    More?

    Self-organizing TDMA exists already. One example, Marine AIS. Self-organization is robust. No need for absolute external references. The End again.

    The assumption that a batch of routers in a given location would agree on a given reference station belies a deep ignorance of, for example, the impact of multipath.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: The whole concept is daft...

      The router is a repeater and depends on another Internet connection to reach the Internet itself, but to lock onto signals properly, it needs the Internet connection to synchronize itself with all the other routers. Hello, Catch-22.

      As for self-organizing, that depends on the different device manufacturers actually cooperating with each other, and you underestimate the corner-cutting of cut-rate device manufacturers who will be willing to lie and cheat to get any kind of certification they need and then just dump whatever they've got on the open market.

      1. JeffyPoooh
        Pint

        Re: The whole concept is daft...

        AC: "The router is a repeater and depends on another Internet connection to reach the Internet itself, but to lock onto signals properly, it needs the Internet connection to synchronize itself with all the other routers. Hello, Catch-22."

        I don't think that you understand how NTP works.

        "...the Internet itself."

        I don't think that you understand the Internet either.

        We seem to agree that the whole concept is daft.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: The whole concept is daft...

          I don't think you understand how a WiFi repeater works. A repeater can't reach the Internet on its own, it needs to hook with with an access point. The catch it, under this scheme, you need an Internet connection to make an NTP request to synchronize yourself with all the other access points so as to be able to see them without clashing. See where the Catch-22 kicks in now? Or would you like some Spike Milligan instead? It'd be like trying to open the box with the crowbar you will find inside.

  13. Martin Budden Silver badge
    Joke

    I really hope I get allocated the 5pm-6pm time division, and I feel sorry for whichever poor sod gets 3am-4am.

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