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Google has patched two critical remote code execution vulnerabilities as part of a suite of seven fixes in its fourth round of Android patching since August. The over-the-air updates set to hit Nexus, Samsung, and Android Open Source Project (AOSP) devices first for Google's latest Marshmallow Android operating system. Google …

  1. jzl

    Really?

    Google haven't squashed the bug. All they've done is patch it on a handful of phones and update the source tree.

    Until they can properly organise a centralised patching system for all OEM's, they don't get to say they've squashed any bugs.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Really?

      > Until they can properly organise a centralised patching system for all OEM's, they don't get to say they've squashed any bugs.

      Yes they do. Since they did.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Yes they do. Since they did.

        No they don't. Because they didn't.

        That's why I love el Reg, such nuanced debate....

    2. bigtimehustler

      Re: Really?

      Well they have, whether OEM's choose to use the google code to patch their own devices is entirely up to them. They have provided the code and patched their own phones. So they have squashed the bug, whether OEM's choose to squash the bug on their phones is their choice.

      It is up to customers to vote with their feet and just walk away if they don't like an OEM's patching policy.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Really?

        No, Google isn't done until they can coerce the OEMs to comply; otherwise, they'll still be liable for a vulnerable security practice. It's like leaving the back door open for the vendors and not realizing the same door can be used to stage a heist. A lawyer would be inclined to ask Google why leave something this important to the vendors anyway? And Google has ways to coerce compliance: not the least of which is a threat to withdraw the company from inclusion in further Android updates including Android N, and given that the Play Store is pretty much expected of every Android device and there's no viable alternative on the market (the only OS that can keep up with Android is iOS, which Apple keeps close to the vest. WiMo? HA!) it becomes basically becomes "batten down or bail out".

      2. jzl

        Re: Really?

        "It is up to customers to vote with their feet and just walk away if they don't like an OEM's patching policy"

        Really? What percentage of Android consumers do you think are honestly tech-savvy enough to even know what a patching policy is, let alone have any idea before purchase about their vendor's policy?

        None. Or as close to none as makes a rounding error.

        Google should be ensuring compliance from end to end as part of their CTS and play store policy.

  2. WonkoTheSane

    Still waiting for Marshmallow

    Got it on my Nexus 5 phone, but still waiting for Nexus 7 2013 tablet.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Still waiting for Marshmallow

      Why not just download and flash the update? Doesn't invalidate your warranty, doesn't need you to root the tablet, and is very easy. The update file you need and the instructions are here: http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/10/15/flash-all-the-things-android-6-0-marshmallow-nexus-ota-roundup/

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    1. Robert Helpmann??
      Childcatcher

      In my experience, Samsung devices won't receive a patch for AGES.

      And those dependent on their ISPs for updates will never get theirs at all.

      1. Stuart 22

        Better to be broke than sorry ...

        This is a large part of the reason I bought a Nexus 5X instead of its cheaper and better specced competitors. I'm afraid if you want better support/security on Android - you have to pay for it or possibly go down the CyanogenMod route.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Better to be broke than sorry ...

          Maybe, but lack of SD slot (to hold and interchange media like music) and removable battery (firsthand experience with bulging batteries) are deal-breakers in and of themselves.

          1. jzl

            Re: Better to be broke than sorry ...

            I understand the SD card point, but replacement batteries?

            Really?

            External USB batteries are so much more convenient - they are potentially much larger, they can be charged directly, and you don't have to power down the phone or fiddle with the case to use them.

            1. Gene Cash Silver badge

              Re: Better to be broke than sorry ...

              No, external USB batteries are far more inconvenient. I haven't seen any with a USB cable longer than a couple inches, so you put your phone in a cradle in your car, and usually you end up with the external battery waving in the breeze and falling off.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Better to be broke than sorry ...

                I'm not so much concerned with the lack of charge than I am about the need to service them without having to void warranty or take it to an expensive specialist. I'm used to being able to switch out batteries when they wear out (and they do eventually, be they lead acid or alkaline, NiCd or LiPoly). I recently did this on my S4 and now it'll keep me going for quite a while longer.

                PS. I DO use external batteries when working life is an issue (ex. a long bus ride). If you don't like the length of the cable the external battery gives you, just use the one that came with your phone, which is usually designed to plug into a wall adapter or the computer so should be a at least a meter long.

      2. xybyrgy

        T-Mobile to update 13 non-Nexus phones to Android M

        Some will be updated eventually...

        https://support.t-mobile.com/community/phones-tablets-devices/software-updates#tmoSUPDocTitle

        1. Charles 9

          Re: T-Mobile to update 13 non-Nexus phones to Android M

          I've seen "Coming Soon" signs covered in cobwebs, so I'll believe it when I actually see it.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "Google is unaware of any attacks" using these

    The problem is, by releasing the fix it allows the bad guys to examine the changes and figure out how to craft an exploit. Obviously that's the case anytime Microsoft fixes a previously undiscovered hole, but all Windows users have the option to upgrade if they want. Most Android users don't, so all Google can really is "no one was using this for attacks at the time" but someone will now that Google just told everyone about it.

    Not suggesting they shouldn't fix them, of course they should, but it just exacerbates the problem for those who will never see the patch because Google effectively made the exploit public.

  5. Bota

    In January I'll be switching to ios.

    Android security is a joke, I'm using a Samsung and apparently they won't be giving me an update to mm.

    Yes it's rooted and I can flash cm but why should I have too?

    I really think Google need to get their shit together and roll out updates like apple do if they want to be taken seriously.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      But how do you coerce the manufacturers and carriers to comply?

  6. oneeye

    The real problem is that most users will never know that they have been pwned,and simply think their phone has turned into a POS. Then go buy another phone from an OEM that does security as an afterthought.

    The solution is to force OEMs and carriers to stop loading bloatware that needs an update from the factory,and let Google update the OS directly. Their theme s and skins can be separated out.

    But then,they both would not be able to collect as much information to sell. And the chapters needs to be uninstallable.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Not to mention at the time it was the ONLY way the manufacturers and carriers would agree to provide Android phones at all. Indeed, there may still be some resentment about Google trying to become more like Apple in terms of OS control.

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