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Post-pub nosh neckfiller special: The WHO bacon sarnie of death
Earlier this week, the World Health Organisation (WHO) shocked the civilised bacon-eating world by classifying processed and red meat as "carcinogenic to humans" and "probably carcinogenic to humans", respectively. Now boasting a "Group 1" rating for the increased risk of provoking colorectal cancer, processed meat products …
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Friday 30th October 2015 16:49 GMT MrT
"We seem to have a few minutes left...
...why not join me in a nice cup of tea?"
Kenny jumps into a giant cup of tea, stirs it around a bit with his arms and looks distressed
"Urgh! No sugar!!"
His best shows were the Thames TV ones - just catching the sound of the crew laughing out loud was way funnier than the later BBC versions - (Cupid was a BBC series creation), Captain Kremmen was a brilliant import from his radio show, made over in a mad Dangermouse style, the mad US general ("Parking problems? Not with a Sherman tank!" - icon is over the field where he rounded 'them' all up), all the pop/rock star friends as guests - brilliant stuff!
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Friday 30th October 2015 14:56 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Food of the gods
You'll find the chemical suppliers are likely to ask you all sorts of strange questions as they keep you on the line while alerting various agencies. "Will that be construction grade As or poisoners' grade?" and the like... perhaps best if you don't mention wanting it to put in a sauce for a sandwich.
Perhaps you could substitute MSG - readily available from your local toxic meat and booze product purveyor.
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Friday 30th October 2015 17:28 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Food of the gods
MSG is actually perfectly safe, less harmful than regular salt, my fellow AC. It is however testament to how it is much easier to tarnish the reputation of a foodstuff with one of these stupid food scares than it is to repair the reputation of same once the scare has proven to be entirely unfounded.
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Saturday 31st October 2015 03:22 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Food of the gods
>"MSG is actually perfectly safe, less harmful than regular salt, my fellow AC."
I know, AC. That was part of the joke. A myth started by hippies (i.e. twats) at Berkley who took it upon themselves to arbitrarily attribute "Chinese restaurant syndrome" to a ubiquitous amino acid. Amazing how this sort of "truth" persists.
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Saturday 31st October 2015 09:57 GMT Manolo
Re: Food of the gods (MSG)
While I also loathe all the BS being spewed about MSG, it can have effects.
I used to frequent a Chinese restaurant and would ask the owner to make me an extra spicy dish. The most vivid dreams would ensue. Not nightmares, just wild action movie style dreams, quite amusing actually. I found out that instead of adding more chillies, my Chinese friend was adding more MSG. And glutamate being an excitatory neurotransmitter, that makes a plausible explanation.
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Monday 2nd November 2015 11:22 GMT JetSetJim
Re: Going hannibal with the weiners...
> "2% of hot dog samples tested contained human DNA "
That would be this report, which also concludes that 10% of vegetarian meat-substituted foods contain meat products.
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Friday 30th October 2015 14:20 GMT SuccessCase
Turns out the WHO are good at their work but terrible at talking about it to the general public. Their categories identify if substances are known to be carcinogens, but not the degree. Being a carcinogen seems really bad, but actually there are many, many known carcinogens that we don't worry about too much, so for example burnt toast is a known carcinogen, yet we don't worry too much if there is a bit of burning because the risk is low. Walking in the forest when ferns are releasing spores, is apparently much more dangerous than people appreciate, so there is one, that is a known carcinogen, that actually is quite bad but we ignore (presumably because we feel walking in the Forrest simply must be healthy because "green" and "nature"). So now the category grouping given to bacon (and processed meats in general) is the same as for cigarettes because they have identified for sure there is a link to cancer, but the grouping says nothing about the degree. All the newspapers picked up "It's in the same grouping as smoking" and then concluded, falsely, 'IT'S AS BAD AS SMOKING."
No, it's not. I'm still eating bacon for breakfast. I feel sorry for the pig farmers. This is Edwina curry all over again but for pig sales instead of egg sales.
Oh should add, I read about this somewhere last night, but can't remember what the source was.
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Friday 30th October 2015 14:43 GMT BlartVersenwaldIII
> Their categories identify if substances are known to be carcinogens, but not the degree. Being a carcinogen seems really bad, but actually there are many, many known carcinogens that we don't worry about too much
Regardless of how poorly the WHO may have prevented it, with the current media climate it would be impossible for the story to be published without at least seventeen periodicals trumpeting ZOMG MEAT EATERS ALL GOING TO DIE* or SICK FOREIGN SAUSAGES MADE OF CANCER-CAUSING POLONIUM DESTROYING HOUSE PRICES IN SO-CALLED "COSMOPOLITAN" AREAS.
Even without a frequently hysterical press, you'd still have it filtered through the collective branez of the intertubes with it's seemingly infinite number people who wouldn't know what a science was if they came home and found it in bed with their statistician, as well as there being so many pseudo-quacks trying to convincingly sell an answer for everything that it's caused a distortion in the space/time continuum to create localised singularities where the rules of logic will not - and indeed can not - apply.
* As Wash might put it, "that part'll happen pretty definitely".
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Friday 30th October 2015 14:45 GMT Yet Another Anonymous coward
It's worse over here in Murika. We have the "this facility contains a substance known to the state of Ca to cause cancer" warnings on our office door. Because it applies to so many things (printer toner, floor cleaner, nail varnish remover) that it's impossible not to have it.
But our anodizing plant - full of really nasty chemicals - has the same warning message.
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Friday 30th October 2015 15:05 GMT BlartVersenwaldIII
> this facility contains a substance known to the state of Ca to cause cancer
That's a fanastically good approach and seems to me like california has their head screwed on the right way when making legislation that makes total sense. Is the smog in LA generated in an attempt to blot-out the cancer-causing radiation from a nearby unshielded fusion reactor?
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Friday 30th October 2015 15:14 GMT Anonymous Coward
Nuts!
Well peanuts really. Not nuts at all. Hideously toxic. Awesome GI & hepatic carcinogen. Perhaps the US peanut (cotton growing waste product) lobby has better access to The WHO than the Danish pig farmers.
Also haven't figured out why The WHO approve of Hg injections. Something to do with Eli Lilly telling them that using a safe alternative would be "too expensive" it would appear
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Friday 30th October 2015 16:02 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Nuts!
US peanut (cotton growing waste product)
Peanuts are legumes (not nuts, as you point out) so it's quite possible that they're planted for their nitrogen fixing abilities. If that's the case (as seems likely) then the seeds themselves are more of a "bonus" product than a "waste" one.
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Friday 30th October 2015 19:18 GMT x 7
Re: Nuts!
the toxicity problem with peanuts is the Aflatoxins which are produced when they go mouldy. Very carcinogenic. You can buy those from Sigma-Aldrich if you want - they make aflatoxins at their Makor plant in Israel. Along with synthetic cannabinoids and a range of militarily "interesting" products that no-one with half a brain would want to be near.....
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Saturday 31st October 2015 12:20 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Nuts!
"Sola dosis facit venenum."
I suppose you're referring to the typical organic Hg dose being around half the WHO safety threshold. Somewhat disingenuous in relation to such a cumulative, indolent and insidious toxin.
Better remember not to allow them to give you a tetanus booster with your flu jab then. ...and for god's sake don't accidentally eat any seafish that day.
Not a big believer in numbers rackets and lotteries myself.
Why exactly is it better to lace vaccines with any organomercury than with none?
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Saturday 31st October 2015 14:00 GMT x 7
Re: Nuts!
the organomercurial used in vaccines is Thiomersal - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal
Its very much been eliminated from most western medicine for the obvious presumed reasons, though there is no actual evidence that its a risk. Its been in use as a fungicide/bacteriocide for a long long time, and the benefit of using it in vaccines is that is doesn't reduce the vaccine efficiency compared with other preservatives (in fact I've read elsewhere that in some cases it can act as an adjuvant).
You will see it occasionally in western medicine - my last 'flu jab contained it, but thats probably an exception.
Its still used in third world medicine - probably because its more suitable than the alternatives in warm, non-refrigerated storage conditions
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Saturday 31st October 2015 15:45 GMT Manolo
Re: Nuts!
"I suppose you're referring to the typical organic Hg dose being around half the WHO safety threshold. Somewhat disingenuous in relation to such a cumulative, indolent and insidious toxin."
No, I'm referring to actual toxicological studies, where they don't give a single dose once and conclude it is safe, but where those cumulative doses are actually given.
As for why it is better to use it see the insightful post of a fellow commentard.
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Friday 30th October 2015 15:53 GMT Frumious Bandersnatch
Walking in the forest when ferns are releasing spores
I think you're talking about bracken? A lot of sources confirm that the spores are indeed carcinogenic, but I also came across this page that “Regarding bracken mentioned in your newsletter, if you are worried about breathing spores, we understand now that bracken doesn't spore in this country [the UK] and its expansion is only by vegetative growth."
Unfortunately, I couldn't find any other corroborating evidence to support that, but check out the article on UK's Cancer Research site, which does suggest wearing masks on dry, hot days, but that it's "unlikely [to be] a major cause of cancer".
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Friday 30th October 2015 19:14 GMT x 7
bracken is carcinogenic
there are worries that water supplies taken from bracken infested hills may be a low-level cause of cancer, while in Japan increased rates of bladder cancer were linked to the eating of bracken shoots - apparently a regional delicacy. The research goes back ~30 years
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Friday 30th October 2015 14:29 GMT BlartVersenwaldIII
You forgot rotten fish extract! And a heap or two of so-good-they-banned-it-in-America oat'n'offal bags for texture and a slice of congealed blood.
I seriously doubt those of us without ethical compunctions about easting meat, or without digestive issues that preclude it, will give enough of a fig about health issues to stop eating meat any more than everyone stopped drinking coffee or alcohol. Everything in moderation as the saying goes.
For those that may have missed it: It wasn’t worth it, says 103-year-old vegetarian.
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Friday 30th October 2015 17:32 GMT Mephistro
"...you'll never find a cow that lays golden hot dogs,..."
True, cows usually produce hamburgers. And lots of lemonade. Where it not for cows, a third of McDonalds sales wouldn't exist!
Edit: True anecdote: A neighbour's dog once managed to eat a box of golden glitter. Golden hot dogs is a good description of said dog's turds for the following week or so. Sadly, the beast survived.
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Friday 30th October 2015 14:52 GMT Ilmarinen
Shirly...
We should applaud our WHO prod-nose anti-cancer guardians. They carry out this important work, their salaries funded only by our hard earned cash, ignoring the danger that someone might give any one of them the punch on the nose that they so richly deserve.
(boot-note: It's a little known weird old trick - you can greatly reduce your chances of getting cancer by dying younger, cancer being much more common in the elderly)
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Friday 30th October 2015 15:43 GMT Anonymous Coward
"They'll both sell Sodium nitrate as well, or you could just nick some fertiliser from the local farm"
Shhhhhh... the terrorants might hear you and use the truth to jihad us all... or our Lord Protectors might hear you and whisk you away to a non existent CIA facility in E. Europe to protect the rest of us... or both!.. have you gone mad citizen x 7?
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Sunday 1st November 2015 15:07 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Well...
>...that's the starter sorted. What's the main course?
Not sure about the main but I know a knockout pudding recipe that would really round off the meal with a bang:
1. Pour 1/2pt of hot conc. sulphuric acid and 1/2pt hot conc. nitric acid into your blender.
2. Set to full power
3. Steadily pour in confectioners' glycerine. Don't worry about the quantity - you'll know when it's ready.
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Monday 2nd November 2015 03:43 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Well...
May I suggest an old family favourite for the main:
1 Lightly grease a baking tray (I use olive oil rather than lard as I'm watching my cholesterol)
2 Lay a nice plump cylinder of acetylene on the tray and strew coarsely chopped spuds, carrots and parsnips around.
3 My cousin used to drape a couple of rashers of bacon over the cylinder but that branch of the family has been wiped out by bowel cancer, so I'd give that a miss.
4 Whack it into a preheated oven for a couple of hours at gas mark 37 (1250°C)
Et voilà: Beautiful roast acetylene flambé.
Goes really well with a nice pint of paraquat. ---->
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Friday 30th October 2015 17:56 GMT Mephistro
A question for connoiseurs:
Can I use ammonium nitrate instead of potassium nitrate? I hapen to have several kg. as a remainder from a science project. (Wink, wink! nudge, nudge!)
And add a few aluminium filings? It would fit nicely with the booze and the sugars.
I'd also mix the
spamprocessed pork with some tobacco from the cigarettes, and cover each slice of bread with a finger thick layer of wasabi.The icon? This is pure fusion cuisine!
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Friday 30th October 2015 18:43 GMT Ugotta B. Kiddingme
newer health warning
telling people that bacon and hot dogs are bad for you is... bad for you.
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Friday 30th October 2015 19:17 GMT Blofeld's Cat
Sir...
May I complement you on your excellent and timely recipe.
Earlier this evening I discovered the memsahib at the front door being beset by a gaggle of "trick-or-treat" demanding hooligans,
This practice appears to be a repulsive transatlantic import, indistinguishable from our own "demanding money with menaces", but I digress.
Having decided to provide these ruffians with a "treat", rather than have the wing-mirror kicked off my Bentley, I instructed my man Harbinger to knock up a couple of platefuls of sarnies following the recipe described in your august journal.
Harbinger tells me that this proved highly successful and he will get Lecter, the under-gardener, to tidy up the flower beds in the morning.
I remain, sir, your obedient servant,
Colonel Buckfast-Guzzler (retired)
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Friday 30th October 2015 19:41 GMT Mephistro
Funny vocabulary in this article and thread!
Potassium nitrate, powdered aluminium, fuel, asbestos, wasabi, polonium...
Fellow commentards, please give a big cheer four our friends at the NSA, which are probably visiting this forum in droves right now!
Very cunning, Elreg! more advertising income! ;-)
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Friday 30th October 2015 19:57 GMT x 7
Re: Funny vocabulary in this article and thread!
tritium, lithium, uranium, 235, 238, polonium, phosphorous trichloride, 2-chloroethanol, diethyl ether, safrole, hydrofluoric acid, phosgene, bis(2-choroethyl)phosphite, sodium potassium alloy, boron hydride, thionyl chloride.
Now THAT should get the curtains twitching!
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Saturday 31st October 2015 00:52 GMT Mephistro
Re: Funny vocabulary in this article and thread!
"tritium, lithium, uranium..."
Be warned that if we keep adding new words to that list, the Internets could implode and create a black hole. Please, stop doing that, for Humankind's sake!
On a side note, I reckon that that Russian Moonshine Vodka is more dangerous that most of the ingredients of that list and...[LOST CARRIER]
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Sunday 1st November 2015 00:32 GMT Mpeler
Re: Funny vocabulary in this article and thread!
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There's sulfur, californium and fermium, berkelium,
And also mendelevium, einsteinium, nobelium,
And argon, krypton, neon, radon, xenon, zinc and rhodium,
And chlorine, carbon, cobalt, copper, tungsten, tin and sodium.
These are the only ones of which the news has come to Harvard,
And there may be many others but they haven't been discovered.
(Tom Lehrer, The Elements Song)
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Saturday 31st October 2015 01:05 GMT Herby
Outlaw SPAM??
That would be nice, and it wouldn't clog up my inbox on the computer.
Oh, you mean the processed lunchmeat?
In the words of Emily Litella "Nevermind".
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Saturday 31st October 2015 07:54 GMT Tim Worstal
As to the danger of bacon
Sad creature that I am I bothered to look up their numbers.
An 18% rise in the risk of colorectal cancer.
From perhaps 50 cases per year per 100,000 people to 60 cases per year per 100,000 people.
Not exactly the terror of the worlds that some newspapers seem to think it is.
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Saturday 31st October 2015 17:55 GMT MonkeyCee
Re: As to the danger of bacon
God damnit Tim, put your journalist hat on :)
The "per 100k" numbers are useful, accurate, and enable people to make reasonably accurate estimations. Hence must be avoided at ALL costs in any published article, where only scary sounding percentiles should be used, Ideally inexactly as possible.
As for bacon is bad for you, well of course. Anything that tasty, must by the law of kharmic completeness, also be terrible for you. And the pig :)
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Sunday 1st November 2015 19:11 GMT Captain DaFt
"Why civilized countries give the United kNuckleheads and their associates billions of dollars is beyond me!"
It gives the sillier countries a forum where the can strut, pontificate, and preen to show their self importance without the need of declaring a war to do so.
Plus it gives the richer nations a place to donate a few pence to world aid, so they can pretend that they care.
Oh yeah, the UN doesn't always stand around at a crisis, Sometimes they make it worse.
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Sunday 1st November 2015 10:50 GMT Paul Stimpson
If you want to shift your creation to the next level of culinary lushness and from the WHO's heath-concern list to the UN Nuclear Weapons list, may I suggest adding a smidgen of Dr.Burnorium's Psycho Juice to the sauce? The Chipotle Ghost Pepper should do nicely.
Disclosure: I have no connection to this company other than being a satisfied customer.
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Sunday 1st November 2015 21:28 GMT Rol
I'm taking a friend's dad to the local airport, very, very early in the morning, where he will fly back to Poland.
Without my generosity he would be required to pay some £30 in taxi fares.
£30 in Poland would buy three hospitals.
And my fee...well, a bacon butty when I get back.
Moral of the story:- In balance bacon saves more lives than it takes.
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Monday 2nd November 2015 00:15 GMT Anonymous Coward
Lets, see.
My odds of getting colorectal cancer are between 5% and 6%.
But if I continually chow down on those carcinogenic delicacies, the odds jump 17% and the odds of my getting colorectal cancer are: between 5% and 6%.
Pass the plate, please. And may I have seconds?
So my two questions are:
1) Was the study done by people who are bad at math, or was it done for people who are bad at math?
2) Why have none of the articles I've read cited the actual odds - just that scary 17% number?
Biting the hand that feeds IT
