Scout Association's shelved database won't be back until next year The Scout Association has further delayed the date for restoring its troubled Compass database, which contains the details of 450,000 young people and volunteer adults. The new live date has been tentatively set for January 2016, a year since it was originally taken down following revelations by The Register of serious …
As others have said the alternative to a central database is Scout leaders having stuff on bits of paper and local machines. Which do you think is going to be more secure?
Bad guys who are looking to exploit Scouts are going to be largely targeting local kids. Much easier to nick Skip's laptop than hack a properly implemented central database.
Assuming the central database is properly implemented.
Everybody's details are publically accessible anyway, I don't see how this database would actually be remotely useful to anyone. It seems like a bunch of paranoia over no real danger.
Why not use existing tried and tested security for accounts from google, etc. Then it is simply a matter of the right levels of compartmentalised access to known members of the organisation. This shouldn't take years to do, it is not rocket surgery.
Agreed - I think the need for the database is given away by info on their data protection/usage policy (I found it while searching for info on how to use it). Policy points out that all data is (or is meant to be) collected on the official scout info request form which includes a "I agree to my deatils being used for marketing purposes" tick box. Then the policy goes on to say that they'll clean the database by checking for duplicates, cross checking vs electoral roll, register of deaths (!) etc etc on a quartely basis (n.b. no doubt to aid this I gather the system is/was extremely picky about the address formats etc). Sounded to me like they were building up a "clean" database of address of families that they could tout to all and sundry to raise funds.
Firstly, it has to be said that the Scout Association should be commended for taking the difficult decision of pulling the plug on this, until they were sure it was secure.
However, it should never have got to this point...................
The Adult information that we required access to to ensure that adults are properly cleared and trained to take kids away and run a section night, is accessible, unfortunately we as volunteers have to go through a lengthy process to get information to which as a Group Scout Leader, I require.
So we have a long winded process of doing what we need done, the reality in a voluntary organisation is that stuff doesnt get done, unless it really has to, because of The Scout Association's incompetance on this matter.
Data wasnt stolen, but they have set our record keeping back 10+ years, well done The Scout Association, if you are going to take on a huge project, ensure that you can do it properly.
Will leasons be learnt, unfortunatley with IT and the Scouts I dont have much faith with that... But the kids will still enjoy camping. The real questions is how many leaders will leave because all they ever hear is that COMPASS is the excuse..................
Every Scout pack in my area uses OSM because it's reliable, it's secure and it does excatly what they want. Unfortunately the Scouting Association has apparently tried to ban it's use, something that smacks of a serious case of "not invented here" syndrome.
Half the problem is that everyone involved in Scouting is a volunteer....and managing all the paperwork takes far too much time.....so something online *ought* to help. Eg: tracking nights away or hikes away should run throughout a young persons life, from their first hut sleepover as a beaver to their Gold/Queens Scout Expedition within Scouting...but on paper this rarely happens.
Sadly my experience helping run an Explorer Unit of over 30 & using eDofE (online electronic DofE) tells me that the online systems simply add to the overhead of time used up.
The idea that the scoutmaster can manage subs etc easily with paper shows someone who doesn't do any of this. Try arranging a few things for a large group, with some parents who regularly forget to send little Johnny/Jessy without money for an activity, or who NEVER respond to any requests - it is laughable if it weren't so sad....
I am frankly planning my exit just due to the sheer number of hours of my time the whole thing eats up - the planning for activities, the evenings themselves, the weekend things, the management of finances and badge lists etc etc. Parents make all sorts of excuses to not help out, and don't realise WE are parents giving time up as well - it is almost as though they think we are paid resources!
So I wish good luck to the online Compass system, & I hope it doesn't contribute to others giving up their efforts!
My wife recently ran a Beaver group, which did take quite a bit of her time. She routinely mentioned that some parents just see it as cheap babysitting.
A bit more on subject, she also said that COMPASS was pretty unusable. Apparently entering the data was a bit of a struggle, but that was nothing compared to having to make any changes.
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