AJAX browser vote exceeds 'wild' expectations

Native JSON parsing?

Isn't the whole point to JSON that it's ALREADY natively parsed by Javascript?

The average person will not care

AJAX means something only to developers, not to end users.

"Does the page render properly? Then we're sorted."

But as always...

...whatever is agreed, Microsoft will do it just differently enough to mean we still need cross browser libraries and wrappers.

Mine's the one with a big red O on the pocket.

improved DOM performance.

The reason i did not vote on this even though i develop with AJAX almost daily, is that before i think about vector graphics or anything so nice, having the basics working would make life easier.

I no longer care what browser people want to use, but if they do insist on making IE the market share, then it would be nice if that browser didn't come to a grinding halt everytime you update the DOM in any significant way. In some cases it can take 10 x as long to render a AJAX'd drop down list than in Firefox.

My wishlist... fix IE so it complies with at least some standards.

What's the point? - we're still stuck with ie6 after 7 years!

As a commercial web developer, I'm likely only to see 'benefits' from this exercise in 5 or 10 years.

The browser release cycle and subsequent "uptake" by punters is so glacial, we're still stuck having to make sure websites work with ie6 which is now over 7 years old!

The reason we need to do this is because there is still a significant percentage of punters using this insecure old relic - over 20%.

So, should any of these suggestions be "adopted", from a commercial point of view, it's a moot point. We have to code for what the masses have, not what the geeks have.

Paris, because she knows Ajax is really only meant for cleaning bathrooms.

I can I just add to the call for IE6 to die

Developing for IE6 is hair pulling irritating - Please can MS just kill it off and force everyone onto IE7 - At least that supports XmlHttpRequest as is. Hopefully (although I'm not convinced) IE8 will at least be comparable to FF2 in terms of standards compliance.

And I have to agree with the previous comments - Doing something that should be simple just takes an age to complete in IE.

2D drawing and vector graphics

are for proper grown up desktop apps. Plenty of cross platform libraries.

Of course, that would require that the web 2.0 crowd grow the balls to install apps on the user's system, and develop the commensurate level of app-dev skills required to do so without disastarous results.

Or they could just use Flash like everyone else.

AJAX is utter crap

Can we please move on to SSE or Flex?

@Jess

I think that the problem isn't just about which systems IE6 will run on. There are still sizeable numbers of users that insist on using IE6 because they have various applications that will not work happily with IE7. That and the fact that IE7 is broken in a few other ways which can sod up the rendering of some sites.

Personally, I prefer to use Firefox, mostly because of (in my case and, I suspect, in yours, especially with that Iyonix) it has the best cross-platform support.

As for degrading gracefully, there are too many idiots posing as webmasters these days to allow that to happen. Sadly, these tend to be the ones with the loudest voices when it comes to this sort of thing, hence the number of really badly thought out sites.

Re: Native JSON parsing? By fluffy

Native parsing does exist by means of eval() which is insecure, it allows for injection of functions into the retrieved object. A correct JSON parser ignores those and only presents the static values from numbers, strings and arrays. In the web 2.0 world of mashups and aggregations a (cough, spit) web developer must sometimes use untrusted sources for his data.

3rd party parsers exist but that is yet another script to link to the page. Aren't you fed up of waiting for 30+ .js files AFTER the page has seemingly loaded? I'm looking at you facebook!

If Only....

MS would just give up and help those who wrote ActiveX / MS Jscript code port it to the wider world...

I don't do html / css / js very often and I know remember WHY the ugly hacks you have to use to get it to work with IE (document.all etc.) anyone!

But MS will do as MS likes and impliment their own b******ised version of it that will need a few more scripts to work roll on the AJAX-xbrowser.wrapper.js script.

I even tried to use VML once, still trying to forget that painful experience.

Evil Bill - well there is the MS WAY or the Highway...