back to article Travel back to the 19-Z80s this weekend

The early 1980s gave the world its first taste of cheap, user-friendly micro-computers and saw the likes of the Sinclair Spectrum, Commodore 64 the Atari 400 and 800 and the TRS-80 find their way into homes around the world. In Australia, a company called Microbee also decided it wanted to give the world a micro-computer based …

  1. Gene Cash Silver badge
    Pint

    Mooroolbark

    I think I did that after a few too many beers the other weekend...

  2. Johnny Canuck

    Where is he getting the floppy drives from? The supply is drying up.

    1. Stuart Halliday
    2. AJ MacLeod

      I discovered this the other day when someone asked me to check the contents of some old floppies. It's only a month or two since I ditched four or five of the things, thinking that they'd be ten a penny on eBay if I suddenly needed one in the near future... oops!

      Still, I dare say a rummage in the various piles of antique hardware lying around will turn up a suitable machine with one already installed.

      1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        I have one of those dual 5.25" / 3.5" drives in the basement just in case I want to get content off old floppies some day. Of course finding a controller is now probably difficult - though I wouldn't be surprised if someone has a USB-to-IDE converter out there that would work. I should pick one up just in case.

        (I think I have a PC Card IDE adapter, but PC Card slots are getting hard to find too.)

        1. Solmyr ibn Wali Barad

          Sure about that? Most floppy drives are not IDE, even if the data connector on 3,5" looks mildly similar (but shorter). Chinese USB-IDE adapters are available, though. Some will even work. No chance for USB-MFM adapter, I'm afraid. Have to keep an old PIII desktop alive for 5,25".

          1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

            Sure about that? Most floppy drives are not IDE, even if the data connector on 3,5" looks mildly similar (but shorter).

            Not at all - sure, that is. I haven't looked at a floppy drive in years, so I was almost certainly misremembering the connector type.

            I do have a couple of ancient desktop machines that might conceivable come back to life with sufficient prodding.

            Of course the MFM controller logic wasn't terribly complicated, if memory serves. And the 8088 source code for driving it from the original IBM PC BIOS should be in the BIOS listing in the IBM PC Tech Ref. Maybe it's feasible to build a controller with an FPGA, without doing a silly amount of work.

            1. Solmyr ibn Wali Barad

              True, MFM interface is not terribly complex. But why bother, when most PC motherboards up to Pentium 4 era have FDD and IDE interfaces on them. Unless there's some fun to be had in building such a thing.

              I'm keeping a venerable PIII server around for such necessities- it has an ISA card slot, assortment of PCI slots, COM & LPT ports, floppy drives, IDE, Ultra160 SCSI. Oh, and 12x Plextor SCSI CD-writer is frequently able to read a faded CD that's quite unreadable in newer drives.

              For 3,5" floppies, very useful thing to have in a toolbox is a TEAC FD-05PUB USB floppy drive. True classic, most widely supported by BIOSes and operating systems.

              Well, those old floppies and CDs are not becoming any younger. I'd suggest that it's about time to salvage all useful files from old media.

              1. Solmyr ibn Wali Barad

                Sorry, memory bypass. Or perhaps a severe case of repressed memories. Floppy interface is far from easy to reproduce, it's an unholy mix of analogue and digital.

                Should have remembered a student project to do a WD179x clone for a CP/M micro. Resulting board wasn't much smaller than a 5.25" drive itself, required lots of calibration, and could read double-density floppies on a really good day. HD 1.2MB / 1.44MB formats are yet another layer of complexity. Eh, gory days.

                IDE, on the other hand, is mostly a software operation, it requires only 3 TTL chips to implement.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    check the display - the 256 TC really is a time-machine, isn't it ?-)

    system date: Tue 27 July 1915 !

    you last used the system on June 66 ... 1966 !

    cool ... or is this some proof that some Y2K bugs were real, and they never made it into the 21st century ?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: check the display - the 256 TC really is a time-machine, isn't it ?-)

      There were *lots* of Y2K bugs. The bulk of the real Y2K effort was in making sure that they didn't live to see the 21st century. The"internal clock"-type errors like this were only the cosmetic tip of the iceberg.

      It will be interesting to see exactly how many Y2K-type issues there are on this kit...

      1. Stuart Castle Silver badge

        Re: check the display - the 256 TC really is a time-machine, isn't it ?-)

        "There were *lots* of Y2K bugs. The bulk of the real Y2K effort was in making sure that they didn't live to see the 21st century."

        Indeed, and it's a testament to the skill of the people involved in correcting them that we were not badly affected by those bugs.

      2. Alan Brown Silver badge

        Re: check the display - the 256 TC really is a time-machine, isn't it ?-)

        One of the nastiest "y2k" bugs actually hit in 1998 - when unixtime (seconds since 1 Jan 1970) got to a high enough value that signed/unsigned representation mattered.

        Half the routers around the world went down (CIsco's NTP implementation was ok, many others were not), including _all_ of china.

  4. P. Lee
    Coat

    Will entrance Bee Moderatrixed?

    There's an ABBA song in there somewhere...

  5. Winkypop Silver badge
    Thumb Up

    Best thing to come out of Mooroolbark since:

    The Mooroolbark and District Miniature Railway and Steam Club

  6. Jim 59

    19-Z80s

    "19-Z80s"

    Good one.

  7. Stuart Halliday
    Devil

    "6502" - there I said it!

  8. Down not across
    Pint

    Long live Z80

    Kudos for keeping (and to an extent bringing up to date) old hardware alive. I hope business is good.

    CP/M on Z80 played big part back when I was getting started in this funny old business.

  9. Dwarf
    Joke

    If only

    There was a way to make this all more compact and run a little bit faster with a few more resources.

    Think this goes into the "why" bucket. Retro is nice in places, but does this really make sense ?

    Suppose the only good thing is it won't run windows 10,

    1. Black Betty

      Re: Why?

      If more programmers actually knew how computers worked, and learned how to do what they do in a resource limited environment we might have fewer security issues to deal with.

      When you grow up searching for somewhere to squeeze in just a couple of dozen bytes of code you get pretty good at recognizing code which performs no useful purpose, and even to a certain degree, does more than it appears to on the surface.

      My first effort, it was replacing the cassette tape code on my old Apple ][ with an inline assembly language print routine. POP the return address, output (through the I/O hooks so DOS could see it) whatever followed the JSR call until a 0x00 was reached, PUSH a new return address, and continue.

      With an overlaid Monitor ROM I eventually had a suite of "inline data" calls which made my machine code very difficult to disassemble, (at least until you realized what was going on) but my macro assembler source code, very easy to write and maintain. The fact that it wouldn't work on any other machine but mine unless that machine was modified with a piggyback ROM was a niggling detail.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The second to top photo is Samsung's long awaited answer to the Retina 5k iMac. A Samsung spokesperson opined: "this time, I really think we've nailed it! We totally understand what people want in a computer, like we totally understand what they want in a smart watch. We've been clever enough to mimic the iMac closely but not too closely - I think it'll sell at least as well as our Gear Watches".

    The Samsung MicroiBeeMac 64 goes on sale on September 9th for pretty much whatever price Apple wants for theirs.

  11. Medixstiff

    This brings back memories.

    Microbee's and Ability Plus, the two products I did 90% of my school work on at the time.

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