self driving car
Until these changes are made we won't see self driving cars.
Jeep hackers broke DMCA, says EFF, and that's stupid
It's pretty obvious really: the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) has pointed out that the researchers responsible for the now-infamous “Jeep hack” broke America's Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). Similarly obvious, they say, is that such research should be legal if Detroit wants to avoid creating the cyber-Pinto. …
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Thursday 23rd July 2015 11:51 GMT Wade Burchette
Re: self driving car
Of course, Adobe Autoshop® vehicle would for the first several versions be very expensive. But when Adobe discovers that people find old vehicles good enough, you will no longer be offered any purchase option but will be forced to permanently lease the vehicle. To confirm your lease is active and you are not behind on your payments, the vehicle will communicate with the cloud before every ignition. Of course, when, not if, the cloud goes down, Adobe will not be responsible for your failure to get to your job.
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Thursday 23rd July 2015 06:58 GMT Richard 12
It's already happening...
All modern vehicles can control the brakes and accelerator, and all the automatics have the transmission under computer control.
Even today, some cars already have the steering wheel under computer control for the automatic-parking function.
So that's fun then. How long before the first crash caused by an Internet connectivity or even DAB radio hack?
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Thursday 23rd July 2015 21:36 GMT Richard 12
Re: It's already happening...
"invest billions of pounds to keep vehicles secure as possible"
Bollocks. They absolutely definitely do not.
No car manufacturer spends "billions" on any new vehicle's software and firmware, let alone the security thereof.
The total cost of development, including retooling of manufacturing plant and training of workers is probably around the billion dollar mark.
When they start out with such an obvious falsehood, how can we trust anything else they say?
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Friday 24th July 2015 14:39 GMT Sandtitz
Re: It's already happening...
"No car manufacturer spends "billions" on any new vehicle's software and firmware, let alone the security thereof."
That Car Trade Ass. canned answer is there to make people feel safe and to make sure people continue to buy cars. That they didn't address the DAB hack (or other hacks) is outside of their expertise. They're just spokesmen and lobbyers for the car manufacturers and dealers.
The way I read the answer was that *altogether* the auto industry has spent and/or will spend billions in passenger safety (the 'secure' part ) - they didn't mention software or electronics in any way.
Whether the Billion is still a right figure I don't know. Obviously lots of money has been spent on all those crash tests, development of crumple zones, seat belts, roll cages, child safety, placement of fuel tanks (Ford Pinto) and so on.
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Sunday 26th July 2015 23:38 GMT Trevor_Pott
Re: Nobody looks at the upside...
Or you could learn to chill the fuck out and take a breather. A few seconds extra between this set of lights and the next won't change your life.
When asshats honk at me because I'm a little bit slow out of the gate on a set of lights - usually because some pedestrian looks like they are considering YOLOing across the street - I drive extra slow, just for them. I will continue to do so.
Traffic sucks everywhere. Plan accordingly.
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Thursday 23rd July 2015 09:26 GMT Pascal Monett
Agreed
The DMCA is a sham destined to provide companies with means to strangle any report that may be deemed hurtful to their image. That is the only way I have ever heard about it being used.
The DMCA should logically take a step back when life and limb are at risk. Hopefully a judge somewhere will have the opportunity to state that in court and make a precedent.
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Thursday 23rd July 2015 13:36 GMT SImon Hobson
Re: Cyber Pinto?
> I think they were more referring to the get rear ended / car may explode aspect of the pinto.
That was my assumption - the car model, not the engine.
The Pinto was famous, not so much for exploding if rear-ended, but for Ford deciding that it was cheaper to pay out the claims than to redesign the car. Supposedly there was an internal memo that got leaked with the numbers and the conclusion that it's "cheaper to let them burn".
I can't help thinking, along with the peson who said it, that we're going through the "cyber" version of this. The manufacturers almost certainly know that they have security issues - but since they can mostly deny them and get away with it, they've probably decided it's more cost effective to carry on regardless than it is to employ proper security people to work with the various projects.
Hence the comment about this potentially being the Cyber Pinto". So few people will be affected, and it'll be so hard for them (or their next of kin) to prove, that it'll be cheaper to leave the security problems as they are and pay out on the few cases they might be held responsible for.
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Thursday 23rd July 2015 10:36 GMT Nigel 11
DMCA illegality?
I wonder whether it is covered by this DMCA exemption
a person who has lawfully obtained use of a computer program accesses a particular portion of the program solely to identify and study elements of the program that are necessary for interoperability and that have not been previously available to him or her
IANAL but ... You've lawfully obtained use when you buy the car. You require inter-operability with yourself in order to drive the car. Where does it say inter-operability with another program excludes inter-operability with a human being? In any case, there must be a lawful use for inter-operating your car so that you can remotely control it from your laptop. I think I've just invented the remote-control demolition derby ....
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Thursday 23rd July 2015 16:47 GMT Fatman
Re: DMCA illegality?
<quote> I think I've just invented the remote-control demolition derby ....</quote>
Aka Robot Wars II http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0163488/
Now, instead of destroying ONLY machines, you can terrorize entire populations by taking control of their """connected""" vehicles and cause mayhem.
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