Tesla says Model 3 is still on schedule, despite being delayed again The planned Tesla model for plebs – the Model 3 – has been delayed to 2018 from an original planned shipping date of early 2017. According to slides put out this week by JB Straubel, Tesla's CTO, the $35,000 entry-level electric car is "planned for 2018." When the Model 3 was first announced, it was scheduled to be shown in …
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...needs an EV but there are some who might want them. The not delayed (again) $35K model 3 that will actually cost $45K if it ever goes on sale in 2018, will be sadly dismissed by most as there is no need and hydrogen fuel cell powered cars will far exceed battery powered EVs. So much for the GigaFlop battery factory that has no real customers but is being built with tax payer money.
There is no reason to believe that the model 3 will not hit this price point. They've been shooting for $35k (before tax credits) since the very beginning and most research I've seen claims that it'd be an entirely feasible price point to reach, especially after the GigaFactory is up and running. They even managed to deliver on the $50k base version of the model S (Although this version was quickly canceled due to lack of interest in the 40KWh option, people received a software limited 60KWh version instead)
Please tell me what sources you found that say that Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicles are more promising than EVs? Over 90% of all the sources I've found say exactly the opposite. Hydrogen fuel cells seem to be the unnecessary and inferior technology instead.
"There is no reason to believe that the model 3 will not hit this price point."
Mr Musk has a habit of aiming at ambitious targets, getting close and then falling over.
He's not "ambitious but rubbish", but he's got some misses along the way.
Point being, your claim of "no reason" is utter nonsense.
I would like a more affordable roadster myself, say £30k would be good for a 2nd car... for the short trips a little car is more fun and practical, for longer journeys, I like the luxury of my Jaguar XF, ~550 Miles between fills, if I go on holiday in a Model S, I would not be able to charge it anywhere I went!
Never mind. Things to look forward to in 2018:
Russia wins the World Cup (well, they didn't but nobody is allowed to say that)
London CrossRail opens possibly, maybe .. oh, okay then, in 2019
Tesla Model 3 goes on sale in the UK - 12 month production wait means you don't get it until 2019.
Downvote all you wan't. That won't make it any less true.
The biggest cost in an EV is the battery pack and we're still no closer to making large capacity packs any cheaper. Not even in mass production. MAYBE in another few extra years, but don't expect a pure EV of this size with a useful range for anything below 40.000 dollar range before say 2020.
Yeah.... no. Thats what they are planning on. I don't see it happening. They are basically betting on more supply being created because demands rise and then prices for base materials to make those batteries dropping.
I doubt that'll happen. And even WITH that gigafactory, the batterypack isn't suddenly halved in price. It's still a very substantial lump of the total cost.
I just REALLY don't see it happening. At all.
> Downvote all you wan't. That won't make it any less true.
That is correct.
Of course, if you are implying that your comment did have some truth in the first place, I suggest you would be missing a great opportunity if you did not postulate yourself to the CFO role at Tesla.
Or, if not interested in joining the company, why not sell short a few thousand TSLA shares? If you are confident in your analysis, that should be a very straightforward way to increase your fortune.
There's plenty of lithium available. Reserve estimates vary wildly (current lithium demand is too low to warrant much investment in exploring new resources), but it's generally accepted that there's enough to build car batteries for at least a century.
Not to mention that lithium ion batteries are extremely easy to recycle (and in the case of car disposal, very likely to actually be recycled as there's profit in it).
Lithium isn't also particularly nasty to mine. A lot is extracted from brine pools, or using water. Most of the rest is mined from rock deposits in a manner similar to other ores. Lithium is also not particularly toxic or environmentally problematic.
The interweb is full of fan-boys that will spend hours extolling the financial advantages of owning a Tesla e-car. "Practically pays for itself!" they'll exclaim.
But they don't own one. It turns out that they own a normal petrol powered car like almost everyone else.
The hypocrisy and BS run deep with them.
Also, I know it's a cliche, but read this. Seriously.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Besides, none of the current Tesla models practically pay for themselves. They are premium cars and are cost-effective within that context only.
Most of the people saying things like that, as far as I can see, are actual Tesla owners who appear to have forgotten their massive capital outlay (easy to do if you're very wealthy).
@Jeffy.
So...people are not allowed to extoll the virtues of something they cannot afford, even the financials? I could extol the virtue of a decent modern good MPG car, diesal or petrol. But I haven't got one - I've got a 10 year old petrol Civic (230k miles and counting!). The reasons I cannot afford a Tesla S, even though it might pay for itself, is the initial upfront cost. Not the cost of ownership post initial purchase.
Your point makes no sense.
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