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Two advocacy groups have filed an update to their Federal Trade Commission complaint against Google's YouTube Kids app for "false and deceptive marketing", alleging that Google is deceiving parents by marketing YouTube Kids as a safe place for under-fives when they believe the app is "rife" with inappropriate content. The …

  1. theblackhand
    Pint

    If Google can't be trusted to baby sit my children who can?

    This is a serious question - I would like to go for a beer.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: If Google can't be trusted to baby sit my children who can?

      You can trust me.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    In other news from the US

    a 15 year old boy manages to shoot dead a friend who was tapping at his window

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/teen-shot-pebbes-tossed-window-scared-friend-article-1.2227371

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: In other news from the US

      Well you see this was an accident that no one could have predicted and isn't related in any way to the constant advertising from firearm manufacturers that your life and home are constantly in danger unless you're constantly armed and ready to shoot at all times.

      But YouTube better take down all their junk because my pastor who once sat on the city council said young men are highly susceptible to all kinds of mentally corrupting influences.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: In other news from the US

        "Well you see this was an accident that no one could have predicted..."

        Are you referring to just the NRA or also to the paranoid state that media, government, and the rest of society promote to sell fear? Butt, I do understand it's easier to just single out 1 specific party to promote your point of view, it helps people "get on board" (just ask the African slaves).

        Still eagerly awaiting the alien invasion.

      2. Captain DaFt

        Re: In other news from the US

        "But YouTube better take down all their junk because my pastor who once sat on the city council said young men are highly susceptible to all kinds of mentally corrupting influences."

        IE: Any influence that's not him.

  3. Justicesays
    Devil

    Whats up doc?

    "Videos that model unsafe behaviors such as playing with lit matches, shooting a nail gun, juggling knives, tasting battery acid, and making a noose"

    I would have thought that Warner Bros. would get those loony tunes cartoons taken down under the DMCA?

    1. Haku

      Re: Whats up doc?

      Yes it's a terrible situation that Warner Bros. cartoons have been put on YouTube, especially since I grew up watching them on tv as a kid and now I only have one brother due to an anvil incedent inspired by Wile E. Coyote.

      1. Elmer Phud

        Re: Whats up doc?

        There are the rather iffy cartoons from WW2 -- Bugs being very anti-Japanese.

        Violence though-- Wabbit season, Duck season.

        I still find that sequence funny -- then there's the one where Bugs is the artist and Daffy the drawing . . .

        1. Gary Bickford

          Re: Whats up doc?

          I understand why those WWII cartoons have been kept under wraps for a long time. But now I'm thinking that in the right context (i.e. people of other races in one's own classroom), they might be a good education about how perceptions change, and enemies need not remain enemies. It's a question worth asking.

  4. Grikath

    funny thing...

    I don't think any of the classic ( or modern-classic ) cartoons would pass muster nowadays in terms of violence, (racial) stereotyping, "unsafe behaviour", and all the other non-PC things we aren't supposed to expose Fragile Kids' Minds to nowadays.. Tom & Jerry, Bugs & Elmer, Tweety and Sylvester, R.R. and Wile. E, the list goes on...

  5. Khaptain Silver badge

    And.....

    * Explicit sexual language presented amidst cartoon animation

    * Videos that model unsafe behaviors such as playing with lit matches, shooting a nail gun, juggling knives, tasting battery acid, and making a noose

    * A profanity-laced parody of the film Casino featuring Bert and Ernie from Sesame Street

    * Graphic adult discussions about family violence, pornography, and child suicide

    * Jokes about paedophilia and drug use

    * Advertising for alcohol products

    So basically they have access to the internet.....

    1. x 7

      Re: And.....

      "A profanity-laced parody of the film Casino featuring Bert and Ernie from Sesame Street"

      Sounds fun. Where can it be found?

  6. Elmer Phud

    What's noose?

    I show kids that a noose is just a posh slip knot.

    It's funny how playing with bits of rope is boring to them until you absentmindely knock up a noose while idly chatting.

    1. Graham Marsden
      Unhappy

      Re: What's noose?

      And I had to learn how to tie one when I was at school aged about 11.

      Damn, kids these days just don't know they've been born...

  7. frank ly

    Help

    I'm now desperately trying to find that spoof WB cartoon that makes fun of censorship. Can anybody help? It's well made and funny!

  8. Gary Bickford

    So YouTube is becoming more like real life

    The young-child subculture was documented by Piaget decades ago as having its own life, including a lot of things that parents were never aware of. Kids have always been exposed to much more than their parents recall from their own youth. I would argue that this is a kind of anti-viral process, where learning about the real world early helps prevent improper learning later. E.g. if you've seen cows and cats doing it, a lot of the mystery of sex goes away, and a proper, basic understanding of biology stands one in good stead in later life.

    I knew how to make things early - I made my own toy box, including running the table saw, drill press, etc. at the age of five. I was also making fire and blowing (small) things up not long after, but I had an older brother who was also pretty good at teaching how to do things safely. For that matter, I was experimenting with household electricity more-or-less safely at the age of five. And we were making rockets and other things when I was no more than eight.

    1. x 7

      Re: So YouTube is becoming more like real life

      " if you've seen cows and cats doing it, a lot of the mystery of sex goes away"

      I reckon if you saw a cat and a cow doing it the mystery would be enhanced. One of the animals would have to be a heck of a contortionist. I guess the tomcat has to hang on with its claws?

    2. Sgt_Oddball

      Re: So YouTube is becoming more like real life

      I got given a set of books from the 30s on how to be a good boy/man. It included chapters on making explosive devices (fireworks and black powder sticks) and how to behave in other countries (shout alot and congratulate them on not being total barbarians).

      As well as how handle dead bodies, skin rabbits and proper knife sharpening.

      It's not as if did kids back then aby harm.....

  9. Anonymous C0ward

    Where are the f*cking parents?

    Anyone who complained should have their details passed straight to the local rozzers for neglect.

  10. Henry Wertz 1 Gold badge

    Sounds like youtube needs to work on this

    "Anyone who complained should have their details passed straight to the local rozzers for neglect."

    Why? It sounds like with the complainants, I don't think they are claiming they left their kid sitting around, then saw this. I think they looked into the service ahead of time.

    Normally, I think these "Oh think of the children" types are kind of wankers. And to be honest, I doubt these young children will really be harmed by anything they see on there. But, in this case, I really can't disagree with their arguments. Youtube presented this service as something appropriate for young children, and it sounds like it's not.

    I'm guessing what happened is 1) Youtube opened this service. 2) Trolls put various Youtube clips on there to mess with.. well, whatever motivation trolls have. 3) No profit. Youtube expects "improper" videos to be flagged for removal, rather than pre-screening; the kids aren't going to flag anything, and I wouldn't expect parents to pre-screen since it was after all presented as a service with children's videos.) I think, quite simply, Youtube expected to be able to use the exact same procedures as the main service, and this simply won't work for a service like this were people really panic if anything "slips by".

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Sounds like youtube needs to work on this

      Then the parents, as well as Google, neglect to consider that some twats will game the system purely for the lulz. Welcome to the Internet.

  11. Captain DaFt

    If the information's out there

    Kids will find it, internet or not.

    There's a reason my reading skills were rated at college level by fourth grade... unsupervised public library access.

  12. tekHedd

    Books

    I feel old now. When I was a kid, I had to learn how to make a noose from a book of knots. I can't recall exactly whether it was in the encyclopedia or one of those boy scout books or something. Did you know that our children can just go to the library and read ANY OLD BOOK without anyone to approve it? Libraries should be more closely regulated to protect our children from dangerous information like verbs and pictures. Well, maybe not all verbs, but definitely anything in the future tense.

  13. Mike Flugennock
    FAIL

    Why am I not surprised...

    ...when meanwhile, YouTube For Adults is still a shithole full of schlocky music videos, plane crash porn, car crash porn, MLM and timeshare real-estate spam, cats falling off of sofas, frat boys launching bottle rockets from their ass cracks, and people throwing dry ice into swimming pools and dumping buckets of ice water on their heads?

  14. x 7

    Whats the fuss about?

    When I was seven or eight I had a book which showed you how to kill and gut a rabbit, kill a chicken, catch fish, tar a boat and tie knots - including a full hangmans noose. I never tarred the boat (couldn't find any birch trees to skin the bark from), but did the rest. In fact my mother showed me the killing stuff - I had to work out the noose myself. Its not just a slipknot - done properly it is actually quite clever

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