back to article Today, the US govt must explain why its rules on shutting down whole cell networks are a secret

The US government will be forced to explain why its cell network kill-switch plans should be kept secret today. Under Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) 303, the US government – in particular the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) – is allowed to shutdown cellphone service anywhere in the country, and even across an entire …

  1. elDog

    Perhaps the USA administration could just wrap this into one of the "trade" agreements

    And not have to divulge to anybody (except corporatist interests, foreign powers, senators that have already taken some hemlock.)

    I'm sure Barrie will want this to be transparent, and if not explain why not.

  2. Mark 85

    WTF..

    I would think that the rules would or should be public knowledge. If for no other reason than if there's a situation where the phones go dead, the average person might have a clue. Secret, secrets, and more secrets.... for something supposedly to used for our protection and could affect millions if the system needed shutting down.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: WTF..

      No, No, No, No, No!

      If you publish the policy you reveal operational information the terrorists will then use to circumvent the protection the policy is intended to provide. The only way for something like this to work is to keep it TOP Secret. It's the same thing as if you had an Earth destroying doomsday device.

  3. Alan Brown Silver badge

    "Even though it's highly likely the murderers used other means to trigger their explosions simultaneously"

    Given there is (or was at the time) no mobile coverage on London Underground trains, that's an understatement.

    Synchronised watches have been around since pocket/wrist watches were practical. Shall we ban portable timepieces too?

    1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

      I don't see the logic here, if they are using phones to simultaneously trigger bombs then by time you know about it all said bombs have gone off. And if your aim is to detonate other bombs a bit later, you have timers and/or the ability to notice the network has gone dead for that.

      The only situation where it would make any sense, and probably it is the reason for them wanting the document kept secret, is for demonstrations and similar where you would not want the organisers to be able to re-route a march, etc. And then it starts to look rather undemocratic.

      Doh, me being stupid again! Why would they presume the people should have any say in their government's actions?

      1. Brangdon

        The first bomb causes rescuers to flood to the scene. The second bomb is targetted at those people: police, paramedics, firemen or whatever. To maximimse the result you need to observe when those people have arrived and then trigger the second bomb. A timer would be less effective.

        The police will want to take the network down before they send the rescuers in. If the bomb detonates when the network goes down, it will be too early to catch the rescuers.

  4. Alan Brown Silver badge

    Telco experience.

    Shutting down the network is unnecessary. The call spike during an "event" will see to that anyway.

    GSM/UMTS etc systems have prioritisation modes. Under heavy conditions, registered priority devices will get through first time, every time.

    There _are_ modes where only priority devices can make calls (this is different to shutting down a cell) but this is pretty much a nuclear option as it leads to every handset in the vicinity being frantically redialled and spins up the load on the cell.

    1. Hans Neeson-Bumpsadese Silver badge

      Re: Telco experience.

      There _are_ modes where only priority devices can make call

      Sounds like you're describing ACCOLC...if I recall correctly, the authorities invoked that on 7/7 and learned the hard way just how may blue light staff had non-priority SIMs in their devices. Based on that experience, it looks doubtful if ACCOLC would be invoked again under similar circumstances

  5. Someone Else Silver badge
    FAIL

    Typical

    The policy was approved in May 2006 but, presumably in order to speed up its adoption, it did not go through a public comment process and the details remain secret.

    Typical of the brain-dead panic-mongering of the type (and administration). Ram something through without anything resembling oversight (becasue we have to protect the cheeeldrens, donchano), and then fight tooth-and-nail to resist shining any light on it after the fact.

    Brillinat! (Except it isn't.)

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Leprechauns, unicorns, and govt depts spontaneously relinquishing power

      Three lovely fantasy creatures we won't see anytime soon.

      Sad thing is that in any dysfunctional machine you'll find many bright hard-working nice people, well-convinced of the importance of their function.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Leprechauns, unicorns, and govt depts spontaneously relinquishing power

        That's why, despite the longest span of human existence being stateless, formal social hierarchy has so doggedly persisted during this latest stretch.

  6. tom dial Silver badge

    Whether DHS can order a shutdown, and whether the conditions under which it might decide to do that are public, it remains unclear whether there is any requirement other than a cell service's commercial interest and agreements to support even having underground cell repeaters, let alone operating them at any particular times; or whether BART, as a regional quasi-independent government agency, might not have its own rules different from those of the DHS.

    Aside from that, of course, it is rare for law enforcement agency incident response plans to be public information, and while I always thought creation of DHS to be ill-conceived and unwarranted, they would not differ in this respect from the BART or San Francisco police, or the California Highway Patrol. And I think we should expect that in future, and irrespective of the announced policy of any law enforcement agency, a riot could well occasion similar service interruptions. Officials may think it preferable to ask forgiveness after the fact than permission before. A lot would depend on the circumstances and judgment of those accountable for maintaining order and public safety, as perhaps it ought.

  7. Kev99 Silver badge

    Da, Comrade. Together with our friends in Berlin, we will convince the proletariat these rules are necessary for their own safety. Then we will crush their means to communicate and travel freely.

  8. mhoulden
    Black Helicopters

    Whatever criticisms there are of how we do things in the UK, the MTPAS scheme does at least make some of its rules public: https://www.gov.uk/resilient-communications. The rules are a bit out of date and a have a few inaccuracies: for example they refer to BT, Kingston Communications, and Cable and Wireless for fixed line telecoms but not Virgin Media. I'm pretty certain there'll also be a non-public version, but at least this is better than the US version.

    1. tom dial Silver badge

      The MTPAS as described in the linked page says very little about access to any network by the general public. Instead, it describes various sorts of privileged access to networks for law enforcement and civil emergency responders, and states quite explicitly that most other users will lose their ability to originate calls, although it does not seem to specify the conditions for public cell phone restrictions as much as who, based on their judgment, will cause the restrictions to be put in place. Not lacking in utility, but quite far from what EPIC is demanding from the US DHS.

  9. Neoc

    I don't know why the DHS is resisting making this public: after all, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. Right?

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Wrong European Capital

    Cellphones were used fore remote detonation in Madrid, not London. Madrid also used real explosives instead of homemade peroxide devil's brew.

    In any case - Madrid bombing is to some extent in a league of its own as it was not the usual suicide moron affair. If the investigation by Bulgarian TV at the time was correct, the technical part was not the handiwork of the 4 people that later blew themselves up at Leganes. According to that investigation, the design and implementation was done by a Bulgarian engineering dropout from Satovcha who has had at least some interactions with the Saudis while being trained as a radical imam after dropping out from the engineering school. So it actually has much more in common with 9/11 than London.

    In any case, the cellular network will go down anyway (as London has proved) due to extreme congestion. It is not designed to handle the volume of call attempts resulting from 90% of the users trying to call someone to figure out if they are OK. No point shutting it down.

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge
      Stop

      Re: Wrong European Capital

      They were used for destruction in Madrid in the same way that alarm clocks were used for destruction. It was an alarm on a dumbphone which set it off, nothing was ever done over the network. The people who did it were silly enough to leave the SIM cards in though, possibly because they chose a model of phone which didn't turn on properly until there was a SIM card in it. This is known because one of the backpacks didn't go off and was found.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Wrong European Capital

        It was an alarm on a dumbphone which set it off

        Excuse me for being too thick this morning, probably too much blood in my coffee subsystem.

        How is that different from calling the phone or sending an SMS? It is the same wires, same electrical signal at the end of the day. As the successful explosionds did not leave enough evidence on the subject, we actually do not know if the primary means of activation by design was local (alarm) or remote (call or SMS).

        The Leganes 4 blew themselves up and the "Imam of Satovcha" is yet to be found and brought to justice. Not that it is likely to happen as he is most likely sipping coffee and discussing the benefits of bringing Sharia law to all of us somewhere in the Middle East.

        1. Dan 55 Silver badge

          Re: Wrong European Capital

          How is that different from calling the phone or sending an SMS?

          Because the phone network was not required which is relevant if it's going to be brought up in the comments to an article titled "Today, the US govt must explain why its rules on shutting down whole cell networks are a secret" in a way it suggests that the network was required.

          As the successful explosionds did not leave enough evidence on the subject, we actually do not know if the primary means of activation by design was local (alarm) or remote (call or SMS).

          It was an alarm clock. One train blew up too early outside of one of the stations because it was running late and the unexploded backpack left all the evidence.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    There is a tiny dot of sense in this..

    .. although that would just lead to a restricted release, not a complete refusal.

    The issue I can see is that by knowing the conditions that trigger a shutdown, someone could engineer a Denial of Service prior to a real atrocity (another commentard correctly suggested such could be driven by an old-fashioned time piece). Don't forget, the real aim of real terrorists (which do exist) is panic, and isolating people can contribute considerably to this.

    That does not excuse not releasing anything at all, but I would understand that some aspects of it would remain classified. I also think that shutting down altogether is not a good idea - I like the UK approach to restricting traffic to permitted numbers better.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Adaptive thinking vs government

    Terrorism makes use of adaptive thinking, something governments aren't known for. You can ban anything you like but a little creative thinking will render the ban useless.

    For example; heartbeat on the cell network (sms every 30sec) and detonation once it times out. Kill the network, trigger the bombs.

    More likely it is to protect government agencies from the dangers of a protesting public.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Adaptive thinking vs government

      "For example; heartbeat on the cell network (sms every 30sec) and detonation once it times out. Kill the network, trigger the bombs"

      Too risky. Bomb goes in a tunnel, concrete canyon, or other cell dead zone, you risk it going off too early. Plus SMS is asynchronous, so there's a chance the vigilance messages get delayed until beyond the breaking point, again setting it off too soon.

      One particularly viable possibility is to use geolocation, which can be done both by towers and by satellite (GPS, Galileo, etc.). Set up correctly, it could make for a precise geo-located bomb that uses signals you can't reliably shut off (due to the use of satellites).

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Explaining how and why...

    ...is not in the best interest of public safety. Certainly ever person can live without the use of their cellphone in a tunnel, regardless of where the tunnel is. It may come as a shock to some people but cellphone use in all areas is not some God given right, it's a convenience.

    Temporarily shutting down a network is also not unreasonable in this day and age of terrorism. Get use to it because the bad guys are growing exponentially and you're paying for their growth.

  14. phil dude
    Unhappy

    Baltimore...

    I am listening to NPR about the Baltimore riots last night, and the huge amount of amateur foot from cellphones.

    An interesting discussion about civil liberties and the use of over-zealous force, and how accounts differ according to who has the footage...

    Any evidence this was used there?

    P.

    1. Fatman

      Re: Baltimore...

      Any evidence this was used there?

      Damn good question.

      Cops just HATE it when you can shed light on their violating your civil rights. After all, "if you did nothing wrong..." only works when it is in THEIR favor.

      WRT the looting, pillaging and burning of homes and businesses; I hate to say this, but that is completely counter-productive. "Throwing your toys out of the pram" (I hope I have it right) is not conducive to getting your point across; it merely gets you dismissed as a bunch of anarchists.

      The cops DO NEED to be sent a message - one being that you can not expect to shit all over people on a regular basis, and not expect blowback. Much of what is going on in the USofA can be traced to the militarization of the police, and the use of SWAT tactics without good reason. When cops begin to act like thugs with badges, they lose ALL respect.

      1. Dan Paul

        Re: Baltimore...I call BS Fatman

        The cops in Baltimore can only be faulted for the bad collar of Gray and listening the the standdown order from the Mayor. Take your BS elsewhere, anything these cops did or used is COMPLETELY justified by the actions of the rioters.

        The Baltimore Police showed remarkable restraint given the circumstances of these riots that are ona scale close to the Watts Riots that spead across the country in the late '60's. They are only "militarized" to protect themselves from murderers that feel they can act with impunity.

        However, that still does not exonerate the looters and swarms that attacked various commercial companies and the Mall in Baltimore.

        Those scum should have all been arrested and locked up. Some should have been shot dead on the spot. If "Black lives matter" it is SURELY not these lives that do as the thugs drove stolen cars into the police. That is assault with a deadly weapon for sure..

        The scum that shot the two Police Officers in New York City came from the gangs of Baltimore.

        The rioters not only threw rocks like softball size at the cops but they also committed arson several times. They give up ALL rights when they do that and they are fair game especially when they invoke the movie "The Purge" (look it up in IMDB) by calling for a "Purge" in a flyer that was distributed amongst high schools to stir the unrest.

        1. Tom 13

          Re: can only be faulted for the bad collar

          Not even a bad collar. The collar itself was justified. But it does sound like the cops, who were aware of his long rap sheet which the media don't want to talk about, opted to give him a "rough ride" during one of his transfers.

          Otherwise your points are spot on.

          Also worth pointing out that Baltimore PD is, like Baltimore itself, about 67% black with a black police chief. So the usual racist claims about whites just not relating to the problems blacks have just won't fly.

          Not sure if you're familiar with the area, but it is problematic in and of itself. The Inner Harbor, which is essentially where all the rioting has taken place, was a Democrat re-gentrification plan pushed by William Donald Schafer when he was mayor, again as governor, and continuing when he was comptroller. They did some block clearing in the slums and red light district. So you have about six square blocks of "tourist mecca" inside a bombed out zone of Baltimore. Think Brazil and their slums sitting right next to the rich palaces, only without quite the same income differentials.

          It is worth noting Maryland has been a Democrat city since about 1967, and the state has been a Democrat state since 1968. There have been two nominally Republican governors in that whole time, always with state houses that could easily override their vetoes. Voters only put them in when the usual Dems push raising taxes too fast. So there can't be any legitimate complaining that neanderthal Republicans have been blocking their programs.

          Gray's arrest record: http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/freddiegray.asp

          While Snopes tries to downplay his convictions, it admits the report is accurate.

      2. Mark 85

        Re: Baltimore...

        I find it absurd that the first place looted and torched was a pharmacy. Another was a check cashing business. These were not protesters. These were criminals pure and simple who were taking advantage of the situation.

        Same thing happened in Ferguson.. the first place looted and burned was liquor store.

        Note that all the businesses looted and burned were black-owned. This BS the press tried to push at one point about it being about "whitey" is a myth left over from the 60's riots and ignores the criminal intent.

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