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Australia's Communications minister Malcolm Turnbull has his eye on the revenues collected by multinational online ad platforms like Google. Apparently raising a white flag on the government stopping multinationals from shipping profits offshore to avoid tax, Turnbull has floated the idea of levying Australia's goods and …

  1. Tannin

    Too little too late, but better than nothing. Sydney to a brick they bury this and nothing at all happens, more is the pity.

  2. Gray Ham Bronze badge
    FAIL

    If estimates of the advertising booked with Internet multinationals at AU$2.4 billion are accurate, they'd be asked to charge 4240 million in GST – however, much of this would be deducted by those booking the advertisements as an input cost, so the net to government would probably be far less.

    Wouldn't the net revenue to the Federal Government be (very approximately) zero? Even if Google et al submit their BAS correctly, GST revenue all flows to state governments.

    1. Diogenes

      true but

      It would reduce the pressure on the Commonwealth to dip into general revenue to pay for the things the states are responsible for like education, health, transport, infrastructure etc etc

    2. Kye Macdonald

      Yes but the federal government tops up the state budgets with money from other tax sources. If the total take of GST increases they will be able to reduce the contribution from other sources.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Now this is a consumer friendly tax

    Since economics 101 says you get less of something if it is taxed, please tax the hell out of online ads! While you're at it, please tax ads on TV, radio, billboards and everywhere else!

  4. Winkypop Silver badge
    Coat

    The big guys always win

    Surely they will find an easy way around such puffery.

    Malcolm looking for loose change to help Hockey's budget disaster. -->

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: The big guys always win

      Nah, ask Mr Worstall, VAT/GST etc are pretty good at collecting their dues. As provider of the service Google would simply have to collect it and hand it over. It's not like corporation tax that can be avoided by some accounting trickery, and a few well chosen nameplate-only offices, hence the idea. Avoiding corporation tax is a game, avoiding GST is fraud.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    A stalking horse

    Unlikely to raise anything at all, as I would assume that 99% of advertisers are GST registered businesses, and will claim all of it back.

    Since it doesn't cost the advertisers anything at all, it won't level the playing field or in fact affect Google either.

    So it must be a stalking horse.

    First introduce GST on a cross border business that affects no one - so there is no backlash.

    Second expand it to consumer purchases ie Amazon - cos Google didn't complain right?

    1. Tannin

      Re: A stalking horse

      In one word, no.

      First, the percentage of advertisers able to claim back their GST component is much smaller than your 99% estimate.

      Secondly, there is usually a lag between the payment of GST on a supply and the refund of that GST via a periodic income statement. Depending on the frequency with which the GST payment is rendered by the supplier as opposed to the frequency with which the purchaser claims a GST refund via a periodic income statement, that money can sit in the ATO coffers for a considerable time, where it is (of course) used to generate interest. As I recall, large companies reconcile their GST obligations monthly, where smaller organisations do it only four times a year. So that alone adds up to enough income to be worth having.

  6. Medixstiff

    Umm haven't the UK already tried this?

    Isn't one of the things the UK government are up in arms about, is that Google book the ads from UK clients in their Ireland office, not the UK office, therefore they haven't sold anything in the UK, which basically would happen for Australia too.

    To: ATO

    From: Google Finance.

    we did not sell any advertising through our Australian offices this year, so bugger off.

    Have a nice day losers!

  7. sitta_europea Silver badge

    We've been here before.

    It's called a Sales Tax.

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