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Verizon has backed down over its fingerprinting of subscribers using so-called immortal "super cookies." In 2012, the US mobile telco started injecting unique identifying headers (UIDHs) into every HTTP request users made to websites via the Verizon network. This allowed sneaky ad agencies to recognize people as they moved …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The only reason a company would stop doing that is that they've found something better. They are legally obliged to not make shareholders sad, after all.

    1. BillG
      Joke

      Verizon takes customer privacy seriously...

      The three biggest lies in the world:

      1. The check is in the mail,

      2. I'm from the government and I'm here to help you, and

      3. We take our customer's privacy seriously

    2. Tom Chiverton 1

      They'll only include the header if the site you are visiting is on a white list, so they'll never get caught again.

      The top mobile networks in the UK do it that way, for the same reason.

  2. elDog

    Had to vote you up

    even tho you beat me to the same comment.

    I don't trust any of these sneaky weasels even as I am writing this using VZW....</click>

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Comcast?

    Where is Comcast, the source of all Evil, in all of this?

    1. joed

      Re: Comcast?

      I would not be surprised if Comcast baked cookies of their own. They do seem to "manage" traffic somehow as for a week or so I was unable to check my webmail from home when using FireFox (multiple systems), IE worked "fine" (well, as fine as it can get;) . I had no such problem using very much the same configuration from work network (so proxies and other "helpers" in use).

  4. William Donelson

    Verizon will kill off hated zombie stalkers...

    ... but ONLY after being caught, sick b'stards.

  5. Ole Juul

    BS

    "Verizon takes customer privacy seriously"

  6. Mike Bell

    Weasel words

    "As a reminder, Verizon never shares customer information with third parties as part of our advertising programs."

    Here's another reminder: Making unique customer IDs available to world + dog every time the user makes a web request anywhere on the web most certainly is sharing customer information with third parties. Get it?

    1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

      Re: Weasel words

      Can we have an El Reg poll please?

      1) I want to see random adverts, the bigger and flashier the better; there's nothing more attractive to me than a random clickbait site.

      2) I want to see adverts based on the sites I've visited and previous purchases I've made; I just bought a fridge but hey, I could sure use another.

      3) I can cope with the occasional subtle no-sound no-picture no-animation advert; it doesn't need to track me because I like surprises.

      4) As above, but hey, track me. I hate surprises.

      5) I came here for the content; I don't want to see adverts unless I search for them.

      6) Advertisers are the spawn of the devil and should be cast to the bottomless depths of the ocean.

      Inquiring minds want to know!

      1. Ole Juul

        Re: Weasel words

        I'm sure some people would like to see a 7.

        While I'm on the line I'd like to say a word to advertisers: if you piss me off enough, I'll remember your name. That means that you'll never, ever, get a sale from me.

        1. Charles 9

          Re: Weasel words

          Until you learn that firm is the only provider of something you absolutely need. Ah, captive markets...

          1. Ole Juul

            Re: Weasel words

            Until you learn that firm is the only provider of something you absolutely need.

            For certain values of need. :) Actually, much of what I like, even techie stuff, isn't pushed that hard. Also, I haven't seen a lot of ads for water lately - though that day may not be far off.

      2. Tom Chiverton 1

        Re: Weasel words

        Gimme a micropayment option to hide all the ads for a small fee and I'd do it. Already do on other places.

      3. frankothemountain2

        Re: Weasel words

        My favorite one was when I searched for a picture of a Mallomars box, then I was pricing power generators. Next thing, all of the ads were for power generators that had the color scheme of a Mallomars box. The genius of advertizing.

  7. Rich 2 Silver badge

    Does nobody have any imagination?

    God It annoys me that 'internet' seems to be a synonym for 'advertising opportunity'

    It's all any web business does. It's just one huge network for grabbing much info as possible from everyone and shoving adverts at them!!

    Is this the ONLY business that anyone has managed to come up with? Selling ads? Nothing else?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Does nobody have any imagination?

      I think the problem is that the Internet is a mature market, as in just about every money angle you can think of is cornered. e-tail? Amazon's pretty much taken the crown there. Video on demand? If it isn't free, it's probably Netflix. Even the vaunted trailblazer, porn, has outlets a plenty.

  8. oneeye

    Hall of shame,

    As always,it should be op-in and not out! But now,how to get word to the vast majority who don't know about this. I seriously doubt that Verizon will notify their customers. And where is the apology? Lol

    At least there has been a good effort by the security publications to keep the issue front and center.

  9. frankothemountain2

    We're taking a big dump on our paying customers. Thanks Verizon.

    1. Gordon 10

      Agreed. Verizon are an ISP/Telco not an advertising company.

      Stick with the day job you schmucks.

  10. GnuTzu

    Circumventing a User's Wish to not be tracked should be Legally Dubious

    To set super cookies when a user explicitly declines consent to tracking should be legally dubious. The common intent of super cookie use is to circumvent any existing established for normal cookies, which alone should be legally dubious. However, if a user's browser is sending the do-not-track header flag (explicitly set to decline being tracked)--which is an established protocol, then setting any manner of tracking is against what the user has explicitly stated as the absence of consent, and I should think the party setting the tracking would then forfeit the legal standing of their EULA or other terms, explicitly stated or otherwise. That is, if you ignore the user's terms, the user is then not obligated to comply with yours. Keep in mind that no service is obligated to serve you content if they do not agree to your terms; but if they do serve you content then they have some obligation to reasonably attend to the terms that you have explicitly stated by way of a public and commonly established protocol. Of course, IMNAL, but I do believe in the concept of informed consent. And, if things are working in a way that are intentionally designed to be beyond your awareness, then we cannot be said to be reasonably informed or to have given reasonable consent.

  11. GnuTzu

    A Culture of Deceit

    The problem with the World of advertising is that we permit them to tell lies, at least under the guise of an artful presentation. And, even though there is a concept of false advertising, marketers will attempt any and all means of deceit--up until the point that they are explicitly told that it is illegal. But, this is an age were we can't pass a law without the permission of the corporate lobbyists.

    So, news of this sort is just the corporate infrastructure attending to public opinion, and it is only as truthful as it is economically convenient.

  12. Zap

    Interesting that there is such a means to monitor people, so 1984 can be switched on in due course.

    Many people do not realise that there are LSO cookies which cross browsers and track you. Some retargetting cookies use them when other cookies have been deleted. In Firefox you can get plugin to see them. The sites I see using them a lot include Yahoo, YouTube, & eBay but many others do too, they just edit the default file.

    If you use Chrome or any Toolbar or even the Browser toobat search you can expect to be tracked, let's face it, Google is an advertising company, so what do you expect!

    Google's attitude is collect the information into the notorious "logs" and figure out later how to make money from it.

  13. Swarthy
    WTF?

    What I find Objectionable:

    VZW charges their customers about $140 for a 10GB plan. On top of that they are selling user info and they are trying to be able to sell access to their subscribers.

    I get the "If the service is free, you are the product"; but this horseshit is taking "Multiple revenue streams" a bit too far. VZW subscribers are paying for the "opportunity" to be products.

    - Glad I left when I did.

  14. Tree

    They charge more

    Where I live, Southern California, Verizon charges about twice what T-Mobile charges. Did not know they offer an added service because sharing to these scumbags is worth it. Do NOT trust them when they say they turned of the turds at Turn who in turn share your info with others. Facebutt will lie about this, too. They change their privacy policy only briefly after being caught.

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