Apple's 3G iPhone to launch 11 July

price

Is that the real price? If so, its pretty good.

If that is the price after you lock into your carrier's plan, then it is completely meaningless without knowing the carrier's plan.

Nobody's telling anything about the distribution channels......

$199/$299 is a great price, but you can bet it will come with an 18 month contract and will be hard to get hold of without one.........

Bet you won't be able to take a 3G iPhone home without signing the contract before you leave the shop............looking at the Apple Uk Store, the only outlets are O2 and CPW, not Apple's own stores. This is likely due to the fact that Apple Stores aren't geared up for Contract sales.

Itunes activation will be to associate your profile rather than take your card details methinks.

Either that or the plan is to make it so cheap it puts everyone else out of business.

Yeah Right

"Jobs promised that wherever you buy the 8GB model, you won't pay more than the equivalent of $199 (£101/€127)"

As if UK retailers won't be selling it for the US$ price, but with a £ sign in front...

Sounds like he ticked all the boxes....

... except it's still only O2 that carries it.

So no, thank you. :)

I'm intrigued...

... what's still missing?? By my (quick) checklist, the iPhone is now perfect...

Anybody? :)

I want one...

But only if it's available on PAYG. (Personally not bothered if it's locked to O2.)

Evolution not revolution

I am pleased with this announcement, but disappointed by having to wait 5 weeks. 3G, GPS and decent battery life. Could they have done more? I'm not sure, maybe more memory and a better camera, but I reckon I'll be upgrading anyway.

Nothing too surprising and many will be disappointed. I'm not. Let's hope O2 are giving free upgrades for another 18 months in blood.

who cares

Who really cares

Paris because she stupid enough to buy 1

even in the uk?

I'll believe that uk price when I see it. paris because even she's not thick enough to believe that

Droool

I want one, but will wait to see if it's network locked....

Wow

Even people who don't approve of apple smugness (myself included), have to be impressed at the iPhone 3G, I think it looks good enough to replace my trusty Vario III.

Mines the one with the fruity smell in the front pocket

The Joy

Oh joy of joys I just couldnt sleep last night with the excitement of the new iphone

Paris because she's stupid enough to buy 1

It's OK, you can still whine

Golly, with all this inclusion of 3G, GPS, better battery time, better price, what will all the whiners whine about?

Ah, but it's OK, as Apple caters to the whiners just like it does to all market segments. There is still no copy and paste, MMS, video recording.

Whine away.

Nice

I suspect that Apple may shift one or two of these.

A confused product, oh Apple...

OK, so as an N95 8G user of approx 2 weeks, I, like many others waited with excitement for the '3G' iPhone. While it may be priced affordably (consider that all other phones are free, even the N95 8g, HTC models etc on mid level and above contracts here in sunny England), and improves on the original, the 3G iPhone appears to lack a target market. So, it has some innovative games, but if that's the case, why no decent camera for youth to snap their friends with?

What good is the Mobile Me service if you cannot even take a flash photo to upload to Facebook/Mobile Me etc? And why no stereo Bluetooth for those of us who like a true wireless existence so we can hide our precious while jogging through the park of dark shadows? I use my great sounding Sony stereo BT phones with my N95 snug and safe at bottom of pocket. On a related issue of confused market: So iPhone now integrates well with the enterprise - great stuff Apple, however: a) Why no improved on screen QWERTY keyboard for mobile professionals? (Belkin? Kensington? Griffin? Why not make a clip on mechanical keyboard for iPhone?) b) There is GPS but no SatNav!

The not so shabby Nokia Maps built into my N95 works really well once you get a sat lock - and the LOUD stereo speakers announce your next turn - and of course make the phone a great 'clock radio'/ beach music player too. Now, what Apple SHOULD have done was to launch TWO iPhones, a youthful iPhone Nano with without the enterprise features and (as per prev posting earlier today), an iPhone Pro with the features preferred by mobile professionals - such as those who use a Blackberry. (NOTE: typing on a glass screen a lot is something you NEVER get used to due to stress put on your fingers, unlike mechanical keyboards that absorb the impact.)

I love Apple, but feel they have lost the plot by pandering to everyone, but focusing on no one thanks to compromises in every area - including my last criticism, lack of wireless innovation such as 3.5G and WiMAX/ support for some P2P fon.com like providerless networking - a great op for Apple to undermine the old school telcos. I expect revolution from Apple, not catchup! So flame me! It's a free country, it's hot and I'm bothered. ;-)

And still..

no decent camera, or addon storage? Steve, you're gonna have to do better.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/06/09/samsung_launches_omnia/ give me those features with the iPhone UI, and I'll grab it like a pervert at the playboy mansion.

Untill then, I just can't justify that money for a 'pretty thing' (and yes, Im a apple fanboi)

hahahaha

"Jobs promised that wherever you buy the 8GB model, you won't pay more than the equivalent of $199"

[checks date, been in a coma?, no, it's not April 1st yet]

Yeah, and Santa Claus will bring me one of those too?

And to people whining about the camera: c'mon, you don't need more than 2 Mpix for this thing. With the ridiculous optics of those tiny lenses, it's already more than is useful. And even 2 Mpix is good for 10x15cm prints, let alone web posting. And don't even suggest many will have the patience to edit the pic (crop) on the phone before sending...

Are they friggin' kidding

At those prices? Nokia, SE and the like had better start digging their own graves. I mean, thats only like 1500 bucks (about 20 pounds) more expensive than say, the SE K750i and cheaper than my W510i!!

I already pay...

£35 a month to O2 so a lock-in contract doesn't bother me and isn't what I'd get on any other phone.

So, for £100 I think I'm a convert.

Whats this?

Apple giving a fair price to UK customers?

Should I check myself into the mental asylum now?

I must be going funny in the head...

[Where IS the Paris Hilton Angle?]

iPhone a good buy...

According to this report, the iPhone continues to defy the laws of Physics and work miracles ;)

3G iPhone breaks petaflop barrier

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s5i36703

JG

The second coming.

Apple be praised... all hail the second coming of the iPhone and the salvation of all the heretics who indulge in the sins of other mobile phones.

still no flash...

and all the good shit is only for the jailbroken ones. I reckon its the best all round mobile platform for now but I also reckon Apple will pi$$ that up the wall by continuing to cripple it with network tie-ins.

And talking of convergent devices, isn't Jobs starting to resemble Ballmer?

Its official

O2 website confirms cheapest tariff £30 and £99 for handset.

You can get the 8gb 'free' if you are willing to pay £45 pm or the 16gb for £75. 18 month contract.........

so £700-800 pounds over 18 months then , which is probably as long as the battery will last before it packs up.

Paris- because being a jailbird, she can see a scam a mile off.

Here's the SIMPLE FACT! iPhone is a DISTANT 3rd Place World Wide

According to a just released report by Gartner Research, the Apple iPhony is in a dismal DISTANT Third Place in the World Wide Smart Phone market space behind Nokia and Research In Motion (Blackberry). This despite the year long barage of constant Apple iPhony TV and Print ads, all the Paid Off Media Whores and the reported 8 thousand iPhones that Apple has GIVEN AWAY to Media Hacks, Movie and TV show "product placements" and assorted celeb jerks to flash in public.

EAT THAT FACT, Apple Kool Aid Drinkers.

The count-down begins to all the Bugs and Flaws this iPhone has, just like the first one had and just like every other product Apple has their name put on by manufacturers with Chinese Sweatshop factories.

Is there an icon for 'gone into coma'

I gotta say, it's great you can type on that touch screen - well done.

I've used an iphone - for 2 months and found it beautifully annoying to use. By that I mean I'd have colleagues and friends playing with it endlessly but always happy to hand it back at the end of the day. Bit like a friends baby...

Managed to sell it for what I bought it for though - liked that alot.

New one sounds good - I think people would be more willing to suffer the inadequacies if the price comes in as the article says. Just not me...

...I've moved on & upgraded.

Oh Heck

Oh heck , that was quick from launch in January 2007 to obsolete June 2008 from spyphone mark one to mark two model , that man called god really knows how to put the money siphon into all the Isilly fans wallets and bank accounts and spy on them at the same time , sweet !

But then again who really cares , as the other 1.1 billion or more users ignored the hype and brought other models instead in the preceding twelve months instead !

Or as they say a "An ifool and his money are easily parted !"

Too Simple is Complicated

So simple - no more than $199. Unfortunately, there's no info on how much it costs without subsidy. Or whether they'll even sell it without.

The hardware is WOW - it's perfect in every way. I already have an iPhone and it's close to perfection but this is even better.

But why make pricing such a mystery? Why not just freakin' sell it unlocked AS AN OPTION to those who don't want to sign up with a carrier. It looks like Apple is going to take 3 years to get their sales model to where it's exactly the same as all others.

Here's some notable absentees from the list of countries where the iPhone is sold: China, most of SE Asia: Thailand, Vietnam, etc.

Headline?

You guys aren't even trying now, the headline should have been "The Second Coming of the Jesus Phone"

Still too slow for an HSDPA market

By my calculation, twice EDGE speed is about 768 kbps. Roughly one-tenth of what it takes to make it a contender in the Australian 7.2 Mbps HSDPA market.

The 2 MP camera is 2/5ths of what the Sony and the Nokia offer.

And the talk time is still a bit short for Paris Hilton :-)

I am unmoved

Experia X1 FTW!

Read the small print

On the Apple site it says "Twice as Fast. Half the Price*" notice the asterisk!

Read the small print at the bottom and bingo! - "*Based on iPhone 3G (8GB) and first-generation iPhone (8GB) purchases. Requires new 2-year AT&T rate plan, sold separately."

Perhaps not as great a deal a first impressions!

Wait for January

Here's why its still got the 2 MP camera. In the Book of Steve, expandable=bad. So no SD card slot. So you're limited by onboard RAM. Steve doesn't want you filling up that 8 or 16 GB of RAM with 5 MP pics of your friends when you could be filling it with iTunes tracks at $1 a pop.

So when RAM prices make a 32 GB model feasible, I bet we'll see that camera get a bump.

Now quite what they're smoking in Cupertino that they couldn't fix copy and paste I don't know...

The reason the Palm was such a success (and arguably the CrackBerry) is that it does (did?) the basics well. Contacts, Appointments, Tasks and Notes (and later email).

The iPhone does not yet handle Notes properly, and its too early to tell whether the Tasks are properly synched over the air (whether through ActiveSync or MobileMe)

Maybe the bit that Steve doesn't get is that those of us who don't have minions to remember stuff for us need to write it down somewhere..

@Webster Freaky

Not that I'm a particular fan of apple - quite the opposite but one thing that seems to have been missed in this report (unless the Telegraph is lying) is that you can now connect to Exchange Server. As the majority of businesses use this for email this announcement should make RIM in particular worry as corporate takeup will rocket. Hopefully more on the other side of the pond though...

Current iPhone owners get to upgrade early, penalty-free...

Well this has completely sold me on iPhone 3G - according to the O2 website:

"Existing iPhone customers can upgrade early to the new 3G iPhone for free*

To thank you for being an iPhone fan, we're offering you an early upgrade to the brand new version when it launches on 11th July 2008. You won't have to wait until the end of your existing contract, all you'll need to do is agree to a new 18-month minimum term contract."

Looks like we get the same deal as new customers (the "free*" is the same anyway) but are basically able to end our current 18 month contract straight away (by signing up to a brand new one).

Nice going Apple - now all that remains to be seen is whether MMS will be supported natively (not seen an official word either way yet), or whether there will be an app that can do it (and I'd be very suprised if there wasn't - as jailbroken iPhones have had an MMS app for ages). Also whether they have expanded bluetooth at all - though that isn't really of that much concern to me (nor is the camera).

@Ben Bufton

Well for one its missing a camera that takes pictures rather than the sketching ant it currently has. Oh and freedom, I believe it still has the handcuffs attached.

@Mike Richards

There is no GPS on the unit, it uses Mobile towers and mapped wi-fi hotspots.

Gotta get one.

@Ivan Headache

Are you complaining that your phone has to be able to call law enforcement? 911/999 etc.. I bet you use that all the time. I for one have used my camera phone on many many occasions because I know its there, most people forget. I do not however carry a seperate camera with me at all times..

I have used my camera to take pictures of; traffic accidents, burning buildings, criminal offences, acts of stupidity, Health and safety Violations, amazing hailstones, BSODs, Tourist Maps, stupid roadsigns, and even for small things, like an instore offer displayed on shelf that sounded too good to be true, it was, and didn't scan at checkout but they let me have it as I had the pic. oh and next time PC plod gets his taser out there will be pics of that too!

There is no excuse for not having a decent camera. virtually every other phone has one. apple just want to save something for the next release to squeeze more money for the next big phone!

And yet...

...still tied to 02 :(

Shame. A lot of businesses would love phones like these but probably have large contracts with other networks such as Vodafone or Orange. How does Apple expect to break into the business market or even the consumer market with deep penetration if you are forced to use a specific carrier?

O2 free upgrade site up

O2's website is up.

iPhone is now available on Pay as You Go as well as corporate accounts, but for existing iPhone customers there's "free" upgrades for the top packages assuming that one agrees to a new 18-month contract and is £99 on the more affordable tarrifs.

I've already signed up for a 3G iPhone replacement on 11 July. :)

Top 11 reasons you won't buy one..

Reasons You Won't Buy an iPhone

11. Your current cell phone contract runs out in 2020 and has a $10,000 cancellation charge.

10. You're still paying off your first iPod from three years ago.

9. Strangely, you value "avoiding starvation" more than "looking cool."

8. Already named your kid Iphone and it would make things too confusing at home.

7. Refuse to purchase anything vaguely rectangular after bad experience with Fig Newtons.

6. Believed the rumor that Steve Jobs was going to lick every single one.

5. Waiting for 80's style boombox and brick phone to come back into fashion.

4. Waiting for the kPhone to be released from KDE.

3. As a child you were molested at a Mac Users Group.

2. Already have a long enough penis.

1. Never really understood the fascination with overpriced, proprietary Apple products. Plus, enjoy not being cool.

from bbspot.com

http://www.bbspot.com/News/2007/06/top-11-reasons-you-will-not-buy-an-iphone.html

@Ian Ferguson

> The blurb says that your location can be found with GPS or

> triangulating using Wi-Fi spots and GSM towers; why would they

> need to do the latter if the GPS is fully-featured? Sounds a bit

> dodgy to me.

i think A-GPS is better for use in areas where their are tall buildings, eg in central london my gps satnav gets confused every so often about which road i'm on and goes a bit haywire, with A-GPS this (apparently) doesn't happen

and looking at the o2 this morning price doesn't seem to be that unreasonable with good upgrade offers (even offering p&g)

From free

Carphone Warehouse are listing the new iPhone as being available from free dependent on tariff. The only thing that stops it being sold like any other phone now is that you can't buy it SIM free, at a higher price, and select the carrier of your choice.

It also looks as though buying over the web from Apple is a no-no anywhere and buying from an Apple Store in the UK is no longer an option either. So the only place you can buy one over here is from somewhere that can sign you up to a contract.

Devil SJ 'cos he's yet to realise how the phone market works in Europe. Oh well, onto the Eurostar to get an unlocked one from Belgium.

@Stuart Castle

Are you saying there wasn't already an established market for Apple products? It didn't matter what tat they pushed out they would get high sales for it and you know it.

On the other hand, this looks like a good offer, and makes it less insultingly stupid to buy an iPhone, a lot less. If it weren't for already owning an N95 8Gb I'd maybe even look at getting one, but I don't see the point shelling out for it :/

Anyway, no doubt it will do pretty well, even though the camera is still wank and the timings on it are bad. Maybe if Steve applied similar logic to other Apple products they would do better (in terms of computing market share)..?

Good product (it is really, although not as good as some would say), decentish price (a lot better than it was, although still too steep to be worth considering seriously), and 3G (we'll see how fast it is won't we?). Until it's tested I'll reserve full judgement, however, even as an MS fanboy, I'm giving Steve a halo. B+

Wrong focus

It's not about why Apple has an amazing gizmo. It's about why the competition has been caught off-guard. Very obviously, the technology exists for all carriers and cell phone makers to offer hi-tech devices. Apple is the only one who chose to pump the money into research and development while the competition actually moved backwards.

Years ago, it was possible to purchase a phone running Linux. Rather than reduce costs and improve the features of Linux based phones, they vanished from the offering. Now, it's back to a choice between Apple or Microsoft.

Used an iPhone?

> i'm sorry, but have you actually used an iPhone?

Yes. For about 2 days, before it went back in the box. I'll put the v2 software on it when it comes out, but I have a feeling it still won't be usable.

The keyboard is useless. It's semi-usable for typing actual words as it tries to guess what you're trying to type, but for passwords and other random sequences it guesses wrong 90% of the time. I had 10 goes at getting the iPhone on my wireless LAN and it screwed the WPA keyphrase up every time. And of course you can't put the password in a text file and paste it into the prompt.

You can't use a stylus on the screen. This means you're forever zooming in and out to make buttons etc. big enough to hit.

No copy and paste. How can any phone, let alone a supposedly 'smart' phone, be taken seriously without copy/paste?

No way to send files to it.

No To-Do application. Out of the box anyway, mine has one now...

Bluetooth is seriously crippled, I'm not sure why they even bothered.

It's a shame, because the interface makes it a really nice phone to use. The mute/volume/transfer to speaker etc. screen when you're in a call is by far the best I've come across.

Still not up to par

the 2Mp camera I could fogive; the video I could live without.

But no MMS? Oh, come on... it's such a simple thing!

... and as for the GPS: I've *once* had my N95 get a GPS signal, most of the time it less use than a Paris Hilton....

C'mon, let's keep on whinging

'cos the more people there are whining and moaning about how crap the 3G iPhone is, the more chance of there being one in stock for me.

I've been holding out for the 3G iPhone announcement versus opting for an N95 to replace my N70. Turns out, it's not as well featured as the N95. It does appear, however, to have everything that I need from a phone. The 2MP camera's just like the N70 and that does me just fine. It will work with iTunes, unlike my N70, which is good because I like iTunes.

Now, I'm absolutely not an Apple fan-boi. But you know what, the iPhone is a NICE phone. So, once I've confirmed a few things, like how well it'll work with my hands-free kit in the car, I think I'm gonna get one.

Here's a question. How many copies of Nokia's first phone did they sell in 12 months?

@James Grinter

Everybody read James' post and get then get back to work!

Nice one James.

Happy o2 iPhone Customer

I finally and reluctantly gave in to the iPhone bandwagon when o2 took £100 the phone a little while ago at the same time as there was a £100 cashback available on it via Quidco. Much as I deperately didn't want to give into the hype, frankly I wanted one for pure gadget value and an effective £69 I could just about cope with.

Much as I really wanted to be the next Apple cynic, as I struggle a bit with all the crap that comes out of those with prayer mats facing Cupertino, the phone is absolutely brilliant. I've had phones with all the features that this one has but generally they are a pain in the arse to use. Even the "king of email", Blackberry can't handle HTML email which is about as much use as tits on fish for anyone who ever gets important circular emails like product updates, which I would guess a lot of people do.

The fact is, I've never used mobile email, internet or even SMS as much as I have with this one.

Add to this, the fact that I've just had a text from o2 offering (i.e. I don't have to investigate or beg) an upgrade for £99 to the iPhone 3G on 11 July.

I knew this when I got it, but the EDGE or lack of it in the UK is pretty slow for browsing and is my only real quarrel with the current model, so I will be more than happy to hand over £99 for my new iPhone, particularly as CEX are currently paying £275 cash for the old ones unlocked.

This is a great product and very fair service from both Apple & o2. If you don't like it, try the following phones which I've also had.

Nokia N95 needs constant rebooting, charging and patience of a saint.

Blackberry Pearl has a keyboard considerably more annoying than a iPhone and that trackball drives me crazy. Email is actually not that great, e.g iPhone Yahoo push is quicker that it is, no HTML.

I've also used various Windows Mobile devices etc. The fact is that the iPhone has less of the "throw it across the room factor" than anything else available.

Nike Running App?

Have been a SE loyal for a long time now, but have to say that I think Apple have finally won me round with this. 16GB for £60 with a £45 contract when current £35 contract works out at at least £45 when you add in data usage. Seems alright to me!

One question I have though is if they have announced any plans to release a running application that uses the GPS? Nike+ with ability to map your route would be fantastic.

I suspect the other operators must be absolutely bricking it at the moment....!

And they decided to release it the week after my birthday - how considerate ;)

@IvanHeadache

My point was that its a feature that is used by some! just because you dont use it doesn't mean it is not important and wanted.

As for you and Mrs Headache if you want to carry two devices feel free, charge two sets of batteries take two bags with you on holiday, always look like a tourist, and grow eyes in the back of your head when in a bar then feel free.

I prefer one device in my pocket.

Perhaps you ought to try a sony cybershot camera, maybe the K810 3.2Mpix it has many controllable features several shooting modes good autofocus proper flash etc.. (the K850 5MP is crippled! avoid it)

New activation process?

I bet they've changed the activation process, otherwise you could get a free 8GB one on the £45 tariff, not bother activating it, Jailbreak it and stick your Voda / Tmob / orange / whatever PAYG sim in it...