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FoundationDB, the ACID-compliant NoSQL specialist, is working on a document database. The firm already has a prototype that’s in the hands of early customers with plans to go public in 2015, The Register has learned. The move follows delivery of an ACID-compliant graph database for use with FoundationDB’s existing NoSQL …

  1. Buzzword

    Vapourware

    That's all very well, but I'll believe it when I see it.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      FAIL

      Re: Vapourware

      You might want to check if a product is real before making that declaration. But what do I know. This one has been in my beta/eval/research tree for a while. Nice to see the fully spec'ed product.

  2. captain veg Silver badge

    Dick Pick

    "[...] run on top of the company’s recently upgraded key-value store engine"

    So Richard Pick was on the right track all along.

    -A.

    1. Baldie

      Re: Dick Pick

      That was multi-values, not key-values. His items (I think that's what they were called) had a lot in common with json documents, limited to 3 levels of nested arrays (which isn't much of a limitation, normally).

      1. Adam Inistrator

        Re: Dick Pick

        Pick IS key value store AND multivalues. Awesome database in its time but failure as an operating system. We still use it very profitably in a different guise.

      2. captain veg Silver badge

        Re: Dick Pick

        Item = value, Item-ID = key.

        Item composed of zero or more Attributes, separated by Attribute Marks.

        Attribute composed of zero or more Values, separated by Value Marks.

        Value composed of zero or more Subvalues, separated by Subvalue Marks.

        And the really prescient thing is that the codes used for AM, VM and SVM are all illegal characters in Utf8, and so can still work as separators in this post-ASCII world.

        -A.

        1. Adam Inistrator

          Re: Dick Pick

          "And the really prescient thing is that the codes used for AM, VM and SVM are all illegal characters in Utf8, and so can still work as separators in this post-ASCII world."

          Well, you typically cant store or transmit it officially as "utf-8" because standards based systems choke on illegal bytes. ioconv to some new unicode chars solves that easily enough though.

  3. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge

    Hmmm

    Maybe things have changed since I last looked at NoSQL... Key-value stores can be used in an ACID manner with just the server-side feature of an atomic conditional update, right? It's the compare-and-swap technique where you build new data and apply it only if its dependencies have not changed, otherwise throw the data out and compute again. It's such a simple operation yet, at least a couple of years ago, conditional updates did not exist. The same technique is used in highly multithreaded code where blocking semaphores can not be used.

    1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: Hmmm

      Atomic conditional update doesn't help under partitions, and continuing availability under partition is supposedly one of the main drivers of NoSQL. For partition resilience you need something like Paxos - and even then you need a quorum and you're only eventually consistent, plus clients have to be prepared to retry.

      As for "highly multithreaded code": there are a number of mechanisms for lockless consistency. Some are indeed built on CaS or other conditional-update primitives, but the picture is much more complicated than simply dropping an atomic conditional update in somewhere. See for example Scaling Existing Lock-based Applications with Lock Elision and Scalability Techniques for Practical Synchronization Primitives. (Both from recent CACM issues, so full text requires ACM membership or payment. But if you're in IT and interested in algorithms you're already an ACM member, right?)

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    yawn

    This article makes it sound like FoundationDB has discovered something new... You should check out MarkLogic, they've had a NoSQL document database with ACID transactions (and government-grade security, HA/DR, and a whole host of other features including Semantics) for over 10 years.

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