back to article Friday: SpaceX will attempt to land rocket on floating, robotic 'spaceport drone ship'

Upstart start-up rocketry firm SpaceX is planning to try out its new upgraded rocket landing legs on its next trip to the International Space Station (ISS) tomorrow. Youtube Video The private space firm has been trying to make the game-changing dream of a precise soft-landing, reusable rocket come true with its Falcon 9 …

  1. IglooDude
    Pint

    “The odds of success are not great – perhaps 50 per cent at best,” the firm said in a statement.

    How refreshingly blunt and honest.

    Here's to a dry and stable landing.

  2. Mugs

    This has slipped to January 6

    http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2014/12/spacex-static-fire-falcon-9-crs-5/

  3. Mugs

    This has slipped to January 6th

    http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2014/12/spacex-static-fire-falcon-9-crs-5/

  4. Kharkov
    Go

    Fingers crossed...

    Let's hope all goes well on this one.

    It should be noted that SpaceX is doing its media relations strategy very well. Someone there deserves a bonus. Remember the Grasshopper? Putting out a press release taking about how they expected to lose a test article 'pushing the envelope' insulated them & stopped the SpaceX fanboys freaking out when they did lose the Grasshopper Mk I.

    And now the '50%' figure for successfully landing on the ship? More insulation, and good media relations ground laying.

    Or they could just be being totally honest with us but hey, I'm sure no one, in this day & age, believes that...

    1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      Re: Fingers crossed...

      I still like Elon Musk's twitter comment on the last landing (sea-ing?) test - where he said something like, the rocket wasn't able to remain vertical on entering the sea, so structual integrity was lost - i.e. KABOOM!

      If there's one thing that we should know to expect from rocket tests by now, it's KABOOM! Rockets are really good at going bang.

      1. Crazy Operations Guy

        Re: "Rockets are really good at going bang."

        Well, they are pretty much giant bombs with a hole at the bottom for the explosion to slowly leak out of...

    2. Sir Sham Cad

      Re: being totally honest

      I actually think they are. SpaceX are very up front about the fact that their USP is that they're trying stuff nobody else is thinking about doing. Up front that it's all very early stage (no pun intended) stuff.

      For me, the successes they've had so far are remarkable, even given the science and engineering expertise behind it. It's refreshing that SpaceX are not getting carried away with the success they've had (and they obviously have faith in their designs and engineering to be a) trying this stuff and b) telling everyone they're trying it) and are still modest enough to say that, yeah, this may work, it may not, but it'll be cool if it does.

      Maybe I'm just incapable of being a cynic when I see people genuinely trying to innovate in the Space industry.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: being totally honest

        Yes, far better that someone reusing fifty years old Apollo blueprints and trying to sell it as something new to be excited about....

  5. Owain 1

    After landing

    What stops it from just falling over after landing even with the legs? I'm presuming it's pretty tall and it's on a non-static platform. I would have thought it needed something to grab it by the top (or the bottom I guess) just after it lands. Otherwise if there's a bit of a wave, it'll be .. .KABOOM time :(

    1. David Knapman

      Re: After landing

      Almost all of the weight (i.e. massive engines) is at the bottom, and I presume that they've managed to find at least one person in their engineering department who can make sure that the landing legs have been build to make use of that fact.

    2. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      Re: After landing

      In one sense, it doesn't matter. If they can land a few rockets on a plaform successfully, they'll soon get permission for landing on dry land. And won't have to worry any more.

      Obviously they'd like the rockets to survive, so they can play with them, or even re-launch one.

      They could use those harpoons that helicopters do when they land on ships. But it's probably quite hard to recruit a crew to volunteer to sit on the platform and tie it down. If it doesn't blow up first.

      They'll have to hope for the right weather. And presumably they can board the platform afterwards, and secure it. Assuming the weather holds out. But the landing legs are 70 feet across. and seeing as the fuel tanks will be empty, and the upper stages are in space, the rocket should be quite bottom heavy.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: After landing

      I bet they haven't thought of that, as soon as they read this comment section they'll scrap the launch.

    4. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

      Re: KABOOM time?

      A rocket tends not to carry much more fuel than it needs to.

      1. Grimzod

        Re: KABOOM time?

        It carries about fifteen percent of its total fuel load back Down to land with. On non reusable mission flights this fuel is expended to reach geo

    5. Grimzod

      Re: After landing

      It's very bottom heavy, 9 Merlin engines down there and the fuel is at the bottom too, what remains is fourteen stories of empty cylinder

  6. Gordon 10
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    When does their UK division open

    Some days it feels like Elon is doing more to make the future happen than virtually anyone else on the planet.

    Im sure he's standing on the shoulders of giants - but that guy has the vision, will and moolah to achieve something incredible.

    1. ecofeco Silver badge

      Re: When does their UK division open

      Because he is.

      I'm no cult of personality type, but Elon really is making things happen. Electric cars. Solar panels. Advanced batteries. Spacecraft. None of it is pie in the sky pipe dreams. It's happening and they are each billion dollar everyday industries!

      1. Benjol

        Re: When does their UK division open

        Just wish he had time for the Hyperloop too.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: When does their UK division open

          and this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_loop

          That would be cool too.

  7. SW10
    Flame

    Supersonic retro propulsion burn

    Although I am in awe to see a real-life rocket land like those in the Sci-Fi of my distant youth, anyone who comes up with the term "supersonic retro propulsion burn" should be in curry-marketing and not rocketry...

  8. Scott Broukell
    Meh

    Since the 1950's I have been deliberately and harshly mislead by illustrated encyclopedias, comic books and all manner of other literature, as to the most common, 'proper', and frequently used technique of landing a space ship on earth by means of retro-rockets and a multi-legged arrangement, sporting up-turned dished feet. As and aside, if it hadn't been for the dear old Hawker Siddeley Harrier jump jet I might have given up all together! So, having had to endure many decades of watching lumps of metal plunge earthwards onto barren ground or into the ocean, I find that, personally, I have a lot invested in seeing this contraption 'do it's thing'. Good luck to all involved.

  9. Rich83
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    And now I'm looking forward to 2015

    It's refreshing to actually feel excited about something like this.

    Whether it's cautious PR or just genuine honesty (I prefer to think it's the latter) the part I really like is the message that '50% chance of success' sends to the next generation of inventors and engineers - that it's OK to try and achieve something even if you don't know it will work. Tomorrow you'll know whether it did and then you'll know what to do next, but nothing happens until you try.

  10. ecofeco Silver badge
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    Sincere good luck

    This will be so cool if they pull this off!

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Alternate subhead...

    "SpaceX marks the spot."

  12. Mikel

    Good luck in January

    Rocket science is, well, rocket science. The whole point is to make the tube explode in a particular way. I think Musk's crew will figure this out. The prize is billions of dollars worth of free rockets.

    I am very excited about what happens from there, especially with Lockheed Martin's talk of a small fusion generator and the NASA Dawn mission to Ceres. These three things have a certain synergy.

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