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Samsung Electronics has counter-sued graphics processing units (GPU) manufacturer Nvidia for alleged infringement of its chip-related patents. Nvidia filed a patent lawsuit against Sammy and semiconductor and wireless tech giant Qualcomm in September, alleging the companies used its patented GPU technology without proper …

  1. alain williams Silver badge

    Lawyers win

    No one else.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Lawyers win

      Your statement is rather tired, and is actually rather ignorant of how the world works, i.e. people work for money, so they can buy things. Normally predicted on service specializations, for cross bartering using tokens AKA money. If you are lucky, you earn more that the next person, and/or more than you thought you would.

      Yes, lawyers earn money by providing a legal service. Yes, a lawsuit uses that service. However, that does not mean they “win”, as in your implied statement that only the lawyers win in such actions. Usually, one or other side wins by getting the (or near to) the result they wanted – hence why they keep doing these things.

      Under the logic of your statement, the garage ‘wins’ when your car breaks down, the supermarket ‘wins’ when you need to feed yourself, doctors ‘win’ when you get ill, etc, etc. Well, in a way they do - they win some work, but if they could not do so, they would likely not exist to be there to provide the service or product you want. Also, it does not stop you seeking out their services, as you need the car fixed, food, to get better, etc.

      Taking this further, and to the specific issue, if there were no patents to protect the fruits of R&D, there would likely not be any R&D to come up with new tech (this is hard to prove conclusively, as that is too great a paradigm shift to really be able to work it all out – but do you work for free? No. so chances are this assertion is largely correct. You can see something along the lines of this in drug discovery – there is little R&D spent on 3rd world diseases, as there is not much money to be made. On 1st world minor ‘cosmetic’ issues, e.g. Viagra, – plenty of R&D).

      I know, you might say no lawyers would be a good thing - but would it really? To really cut out all lawyers, you would really have to get rid of all laws – otherwise enforcing any form of law (in a fair and reasonable fashion – do you want to be tried for murder you did not commit with no representative?) would be impossible. Or rather, lawyers would always be there to do so. (Someone would offer to help out in a legal action, and someone would be willing to pay some money to get said help). Do you want to live in anarchy, or in peace enforced by, literally, force (since even if there are no laws, there is going to be someone bigger than you…). Probably not.

      Bear in mind here that most of the changes that many would see as beneficial to society – e.g. holidays for staff, disabled access, cracking down on payday lenders, etc – they all had lawyers involved in any of: getting them on the table for discussion, getting the discussion agreed in a beneficial way, enacted. Put another way, sometime the lawyers work for you, and for free, or on the losing big bad corporate’s dollar.

      You should also bear in mind the figures spent on other things - e.g. Samsung spends approx. $14 billion on marketing, compared to $13.2 billion spent on the R&D of the stuff in the first place - who won there? – given the cost of equipment, etc, probably the latte drinking marketing executives or media executives, or just the media moguls who own the advertising conduits (Google, papers, TV, etc).

      …And let’s not even get into the morality or otherwise of how much some people are paid to act like a donkey (kicking things), getting other people to extract things from the ground for them… oh, whoops, maybe we already just did (by implication).

      In summary: Put it in proper context, and take out the rhetoric

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Lawyers win

        You know, he didn't actually say he was opposed to patents. He probably is, as most sensible people are, but there is another sickening aspect to these law suits: there's something wrong with a legal system that encourages them. If the rules were clear and the courts applied them consistently then companies would settle out of court and these expensive (or lucrative, if that's your profession) suits wouldn't happen. However, if you allow lawyers to design the system for their own benefit ...

        The huge variation between different countries proves that it doesn't have to be the way it is. In general, most countries have far fewer suits and far fewer lawyers than the USA, though in some particular areas (e.g. libel) the US legal system is rather good and much better than many other countries; Germany seems to have rotten trademark rules, for example; I'm not just saying "US = bad" here.

      2. Mark 85

        Re: Lawyers win

        By per chance are you a lawyer? Well said, but to those of us who have been touched by lawsuits such as this, it does make one's skin crawl.

      3. Vic

        Re: Lawyers win

        but do you work for free?

        Frequently.

        To really cut out all lawyers, you would really have to get rid of all laws

        But we're not really worried about lawyers - we're worried about Lawyers.

        I watched David Boies putting SCO's case against Novell, for example. He was supposed to be an Officer of the Court, with a primary responsibility to the truth. The arguments he advanced implied at leat one of the following possibilities :-

        • He was so ignorant of the situation as to be considered negligent
        • He was promoting his case to the detriment of what he knew to be the truth

        Any lawyer doing his sworn duty would have done differently - but BSF charged[1] a vast sum of money for doing somthing that was immoral, probably illegal, and certainly detrimental to all parties involved in the case. And this is why we hate Lawyers, with a capital "L".

        Vic.

        [1] I'm not sure if they ever got paid, what with SCO declaring bankruptcy when they did. I fucking hope they got nothing,

  2. Handy Plough

    Samsung have got form here...

  3. Oninoshiko

    Lies, damned lies, and benchmarks

    N/T

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Velocity Micro

    I am surprised no one has commented on Samsung's strategy of using Velocity Micro to achieve favorable jurisdiction.

    Velocity Micro’s CEO, Randy Copeland explained:

    "Samsung has decided to drag us in to its legal battle with Nvidia purely for the purpose of claiming that the Federal District Court for Virginia’s Eastern District here in Richmond, also informally known as “the rocket docket” by some, is a reasonable jurisdiction for their litigation."

    "They tactically need Velocity, a Richmond company, to be part of this new suit so they can have a faster time to trial to counter their lawsuits with Nvidia that are pending in those other courts."

    "They are trying to beat Nvidia to the punch on other fronts, but they are all too willing to throw a private company under the proverbial bus for their own strategic reasons. It’s simply wrong, and a shining example of what’s broken in big corporate America."

  5. Proffesor Madhead
    Megaphone

    There Would be only one interesting way to settle this.

    a live overclocking competition in court between the 2 companies using the disputed chips, liquid nitrogen allowed.loser gets sued!

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