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The Motion Picture Ass. of America (MPAA) is once again looking to rat out known piracy hotbeds to the US government, both online and in real life – and Canada's largest urban center remains high on its list. The MPAA said on Monday that it had provided the office of the US Trade Representative (USTR) with a list of markets …

  1. John Tserkezis

    "Many of those named and shamed were hardly surprises. The list includes markets in Bangkok, Beijing, Dehli, Jakarta, Odessa, and São Paulo, for example. But one culprit most people don't usually consider when talking piracy made the roster, too: Toronto, Ontario."

    They forgot to mention Australia, where they keep inisting we're piracy central of the fucking universe.

    Or are we in fact nobodies compared to Toronto? Either way, either the MPAA are liars, or idiots. Or both.

    I'll go with both.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      They made me do it, they did

      But you're a bunch of middle aged white guys who whine a lot and do a lot of Torrenting.

      Australia - you're kinda getting embarrassing. Can't you leave the whinging to the Poms?

      1. dan1980

        Re: They made me do it, they did

        @AC

        There is this strange notion amongst some people (and evidently you are one of them) that complaining about bad practices or dishonesty is somehow 'whinging'.

        What an odd idea.

        Whinging is when you moan and complain without having a good reason so let me fill you in on what is actually going on here . . .

        The MPAA, along with their friends the RIAA and the tendril organisations around the world and in concert with massive, insanely wealthy and powerful industries like the pharmaceutical, are trying to get laws changed around the world to benefit them and their business models.

        They are using their vast wealth and influence to shape the discussions both in the various countries directly and through the US government, who end up pushing much of this.

        The current effort is the TPP which has been intentionally hidden from public scrutiny in this country (Australia) but includes the extension of copyright and the criminalisation of copyright breaches for individual people - i.e. ones who aren't actually selling it.

        Part of the ammunition being used by (e.g.) the MPAA and their associates, like AFACT* in Australia, is a slew of vastly inflated numbers that are a combination of overly-broad definitions, baseless assumptions, worst-case scenarios and un-warranted projections and extrapolations from un-representative samples.

        Calling out the blatant exaggeration and - at times - outright lying that is being used by powerful, rich US companies as justification for changing the laws in OTHER COUNTRIES is not 'whinging'.

        Whatever your view of 'Kim Dotcom', the facts that are coming out should give everyone pause. Earlier this year, the NZ courts found that, while the warrants to search were sustainable (despite some notable issues), the seizure and removal of evidence to the US was not. What you had was a government and police force actively breaking their laws that protect the people of their country (and Kim was covered by them as a resident) in order to bow to the wishes of an operation from another country carried out at the behest of and for the benefit of a collection of wealthy movie studios.

        * - Now re-branded as the "Australian Screen Association", presumably after their much-publicised loss to iiNet in Roadshow Films v iiNet. You might note that the members of AFACT/ASA only includes one Australian company: Villiage/Roadshow, despite it making much of it's representation of Australian interests. Oh yes, it apparently works "with" and "in partnership with" local screen industries but the members are, excluding Roadshow, all overseas studios and distributors and includes, most notably, the MPAA. If you are familiar with the case above (iiNet), this was undertaken on behalf of the MPAA, who wanted it to look like an all-Aussie affair, using AFACT and Roadshow but in reality they were the instigators and chose this particular combination of players to best achieve their goals.

      2. dan1980

        Re: They made me do it, they did

        @AC

        Oh, and fuck off.

        We are a multicultural society and bloody proud of it. To reduce us to "a bunch of middle aged white guys" is offensive and to imply that only the "white" population of Australia engages in 'pirating' content is ignorant and offensive.

        So, yeah, fuck off.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: They made me do it, they did

          Australia "white"? More typically an odd, freckled shade of sunburnt red. ;-)

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: They made me do it, they did

          "We are a multicultural society and bloody proud of it"

          Speak for yourself. Most people I know are all for letting the cheap imports continue to rot on remote desert islands. And for getting rid of as many as possible of those that have already invaded.

    2. Thorne
      Pirate

      On behalf of Australia, I feel hurt to be left out. Better head to The Pirate Bay so we score better next year.....

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Australia den of Game of Thrones pirates

      Mostly because the series is way late on the telly

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Australia ought to be locked up

      oh, they already are aren't they? Since 1780s

  2. frank ly

    Jonesborough Market in Northern Ireland:

    "Infamous within the UK and Ireland, this market sits in an isolated area on the border of Northern Ireland and Ireland and is monitored by illegal traders deploying counter-surveillance measures,"

    This was written by the same man who writes the voice-overs for cheap action film trailers.

    1. Neoc

      I re-read the quote in That Voice. Yep.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I'd love to meet that guy. I wonder if it is his normal voice or if he has to do a reeeeeeaaaaaally long burp to sound that low.

      1. dan1980

        @skelband

        Perhaps he does all the voice-work at 9am on a Saturday morning after a solid night on the cans. Works for me.

    3. P. Lee

      Re: Cheap voiceovers

      Well, you wouldn't steal a policeman's helmet, would you?

      1. dan1980

        Re: Cheap voiceovers

        @P.Lee

        I am a bitter and mirthless man so I very rarely have the opportunity to use the term "LOL".

        I use it now: LOL.

        (I take it you wrote this with that dreadful tune playing through your head in the background.)

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Copyright infringement?

      Given the market is probably run by one or other wing of the 'RA I'd be impressed if they made that stick where every criminal prosecution has failed (as witnesses disappear)

      [I dislike the boys in question much more than I do the MPAA but have a higher regard for their effectiveness]

      1. I. Aproveofitspendingonspecificprojects

        Re: Copyrongs

        I was going to ask for directions.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "Even with the rash of piracy, however, the MPAA seems to be doing well enough. The group brags that its member organizations generate $14.3bn in exports annually."

    Sounds like a cartel to me.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      And you sound like a whiney white freeloader to me.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        And you sound like ****** *******'s rotting left testicle to me. Why don't you use your real name, coward scum.

        Anonymous, because you've proven not to be worth my real name, rotting testicle hair.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        >muh bits, muh IP, copying is theft

        If you pass someone a usb stick full of movies, is it white privilege?

  4. dan1980

    "MPAA calls Canadians a bunch of bootlegging movie thieves."

    Canadians (et al) call MPAA a bunch of, well, I've used my quota for this week - I'll let you fill in the blanks.

    1. Trevor_Pott Gold badge

      They're just bitter we have a sane and rational made in Canada copyright solution and won't bend over and take the US's TPP copyright demands with a smile and a thank you.

      1. dan1980

        We were also pretty good in Australia but, with the election of the Right Honourable (and I do mean right) Tony Abbott*, PM, we have been trussed up in our finest vinyl and rubber and they're reaching for the ball gag.

        Hold the lube - we're used to it by now.

        Sorry, it's just the way it feels sometimes - that our politicians are submissive little pets.

        * - To be fair, the previous government were not a great deal better but it does feel like Captain Speedos has a particular verve for selling out the ordinary people to pander to the interests of the business world and the wealthy.

    2. thames

      The MPAA makes up it's "facts" to suit whatever they are whinging about this week. The reason that Canada is on their list has more to do with they want the copyright laws rewritten along American lines. They use their "list of pirates" to try to lobby the US government to put trade pressure on Canada.

      Here's a hint: It's not up to the police to address civil matters, and if the police put a higher priority on investigating murder, rape, and robbery than they do on inspecting flea markets, then that is up to the taxpayers of that city to decide. The police in Canada will and do make raids on flee markets if the copyright holders do make specific complaints against specific traders. They won't however go spending the taxpayer's money on fishing expeditions if the copyright holder can't be bothered to do it themselves.

      1. dan1980

        @thames

        See my long rant, further up : )

      2. Suricou Raven

        In the US, internet piracy is a criminal matter. Has been since the NET act. Don't know about Canada.

        1. dan1980

          @ Suricou Raven

          I believe it isn't and nor is it so in Australia, but this is something the TPP aims to 'rectify'.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          In the US, internet piracy is a criminal matter. Has been since the NET act.

          In the US, walking across the road is a criminal matter. No-one wants to give a fuck what laws you pass in your fascist land of the free, but we have to because you also all believe that your laws are rightly exported throughout the world.

          Just fuck off, mkay?

        3. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          "In the US, internet piracy is a criminal matter."

          Not for personal use it isn't. For instance streaming. It's a civil matter for an interested party to try and sue you for.

          Same as in the UK - downloading / streaming / consuming is not illegal. Only distributing is.

        4. Trevor_Pott Gold badge

          "In the US, internet piracy is a criminal matter. Has been since the NET act. Don't know about Canada."

          Civil matter in Canda. With the maximum combined fine an individual can pay for copyright infringement being $5000.

          It's the proper balance. If you are caught committing copyright infringement you get a fine that hurts - and hurts a lot, for the poor - but not so much that it ruins your life.

          But there is no "$150k per infringement" crap. And you don't pile infringement upon infringement to achieve millions of dollars worth of monies due. You cough up $5k, the artists at least get something out of the deal and the life of the copyright infringer isn't ruined.

          And the content MAFIAA hate this. Thus the TPP demands.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            " "In the US, internet piracy is a criminal matter. Has been since the NET act. Don't know about Canada.""

            Only if the retail value of what you pirate exceeds $1000 in a 180 day period. So imo you can pirate up to ~ 50 movies a quarter without it being a crime.

        5. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          "In the US, internet piracy is a criminal matter."

          Not unless it involves over $1,000 equivalent of movies a month. Even at Bluray prices, that's quite a lot of PopCornTime...

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        You guys don't use a repurposed satellite TV receiver system and a PC to capture and decrypt digital copies of new release movies being delivered by satcom to the Irish theatres?

  5. Mark 85
    Devil

    Here's an option,

    Let's load a plane with all the MPAA people (ok... several planes or more as needed) and fly them to the hotspots. Don't land but kick them out of the plane at 40,000 feet see if they make an impression on the local populace. I forgot.. no parachutes as that might be infringing on someone.

  6. dan1980

    "Lack of police enforcement due to limited resources has contributed to the continuation of the illegal sale of counterfeit discs in several [Greater Toronto Area] flea markets," the MPAA claims.

    Perhaps MPAA should read between the lines of this - the cops have far more important things to do than investigate flea markets for dodgy DVDs.

    1. Tom 35

      If the cops are in the flea markets or china town I hope they are looking for dangerous electrical goods, not the crappy $2 discs in a zip-lock bag being sold there.

      It seems the sure fire way to get raided is to sell "out of print" 50 year old Disney cartoons. That copy of Bambi is taking food right out of the original creators mouth!

      I don't buy them because the quality is crap, but I did buy a copy of Song of the South just to spite Disney (it's a rip of the Japanese LD) .

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    On behalf of Pacific Mall , Markham , Ontario

    Do Ron Do huan ying ni!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: On behalf of Pacific Mall , Markham , Ontario

      你是正确的!当他们说多伦多,这就是他们的意思。

  8. RAMChYLD
    Facepalm

    I've said this many times before...

    Want to stop piracy? Firstly, make your content available worldwide, to everyone, simultaneously. And secondly, make the content reasonably priced.

    Nothing makes people want to pirate more than visiting a legal site like Netflix or Hulu only to be told that the content isn't available in their country.

  9. Sheep!
    Pint

    "The Motion Picture Ass. of America"

    Bravo!

  10. disgruntled yank

    NML

    I have been impressed with the MPAA ever since the days that it tried to impose a royalty on video tape, back about 1982. But the name "Notorious Markets List" suggests that they're drawing on the screen writing talent in Hollywood, not just the bankrolls. Does anyone else envision Marlene Dietrich, Peter Lorre, and Orson Welles behind the counters of the Notorious Markets?

  11. Alistair
    Coat

    Someone beat me to markham.

    Worked around the corner from Pacific Mall for years.

    Good Prices, Good Selection. Subtitles included where needed.

    @ Trevor_Pott -> you and I might not accept the TPP without a fight, but it sure as shit looks like Stephen Harper is buying it, lock, stock, barrel *and* ball gag. Including (it seems) thanks to events earlier this month, a copy of the Patriot Act and the basis for TSA MKII in Ca.

    Damn shame he got hidden in a closet.

    (no point in being anonymous, they already know who I am and I'm too old and cranky to care any more)

    1. Tom 35

      Damn shame he got hidden in a closet.

      Damn shame they let him out.

    2. Trevor_Pott Gold badge

      Re: Someone beat me to markham.

      "you and I might not accept the TPP without a fight, but it sure as shit looks like Stephen Harper is buying it, lock, stock, barrel *and* ball gag."

      Harper's time is up.

      1. Alistair
        Joke

        Re: Someone beat me to markham.

        @Trevor_Pott:

        Interesting read -- still have to wonder what the tar sands are emitting to the atmosphere in Ab. It seems to be damaging their thinking.

        1. Trevor_Pott Gold badge

          Re: Someone beat me to markham.

          Can't argue with that, I've gotta be a prime example!

  12. Mike VandeVelde
    Trollface

    from sea to sea to sea

    "Canadians a bunch of bootlegging movie thieves"

    They seem to think that we should be concerned about this or something? lol

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I'm just happy we were mentioned. The difference is, I know people who will watch it on tv, then download it to watch when nothing else is on. If Netflix or whatever VOD service was up-to-date with content rather than having to wait a year, this would drop significantly as well.

    1. Jamie Jones Silver badge

      Don't be silly, anon - we all know every download is a lost sale. The ass of America says so.

      1. Tom 35

        we all know every download is a lost sale

        No for their numbers to work it has to be much worse. Movie tickets for a family of 4, $40 for popcorn and sugar water, and a DVD too (at full SRP). Oh and you are going to give copies to all your friends so we can multiply that by 20...

  14. Alan Brown Silver badge

    2 words: Media tax

    Canadians pay one, on the assumption that they all copy stuff rampantly.

    That pretty much gives them the moral right to upload/download whatever the fuck they want.

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