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The Internet of Things (IoT) is growing an estimated five times more quickly than the overall embedded processing market, so it's no wonder chip suppliers are flocking to fit out connected cars, home gateways, wearables and streetlights as quickly as they can. However, the sector is so new that there is considerable …

  1. Mage Silver badge

    8051

    Intel's take on a PIC.

    PIC architecture isn't pretty, but I hated the 8051 in 1983.

    1. BillG
      Thumb Up

      Re: 8051

      The 8051 is estimated to be a $1.5Billion market annually. Most of the sales are in SE Asia as it's an open-source core perfect for the countless low-end applications out there that don't need more than 4MHz to run.

      If I told you how many $$$ Atmel sells in 8051 each year the number is so high you wouldn't believe me. Silicon Labs 8051 sales is even higher.

  2. poopypants

    Atmel

    I'm a big fan of Atmel. Started out with their AVR chips and more recently looked at their ARM stuff.

    Nice gear, and their development tools are top notch. (No I don't work for Atmel).

    Anyone who has played with Arduino would be familiar with them.

    1. Charles Manning

      Re: Atmel

      Atmel is an umbrella corporation. The ARM people have nothing to do with the AVR people.

      The AVR people made their own top-end CPU a long time ago (AVR32). It was something amazing, but didn't pull in the customers.

  3. ColonelClaw

    "We are bringing intelligence to what used to be dumb objects."

    If ever there was a statement that covers the entire gamut of possible outcomes, from potentially great to probably pointless and frustrating, that would be it.

  4. Simon Harris

    Keyboards.

    I haven't opened up a PC keyboard for a long time, but do they still have an 8048 or similar 1970s-ish MCU core controlling them?

  5. JP19

    " the sector is so new that there is considerable uncertainty about the precise capabilities"

    The 'sector' doesn't really exist and because they have no idea what the projected 30 billion things on the internet are going to be doing they have no idea how much processing power they will need.

    Same as the recent moaning about lack of standards for communication between things. Hard to write a specification when your requirement is little more than a wet finger stuck in the air.

  6. tony2heads

    IPv6 ?

    Will this force usage of IPv6 soon? If so it might be a boon.

    1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: IPv6 ?

      Not sure that's relevant here. In any case it might make more sense for IPv6 to get more roadtesting on devices which can update their code before it gets universal adoption.

    2. Charles Manning

      Re: IPv6 ?

      "Will this force usage of IPv6 soon?"

      No.

      When people speak of the IoT theny don't really mean that these devices are connected directly to the internet via IP.

      What they mean is that these would be accessible via the internet. ie. you might have a "home controller" on the actual internet, but that uses Bluetooth etc to comunicate with the hundred or thousands of devices in your house (if you believe the hype).

  7. Charlie Clark Silver badge

    All this means that Quark may be a strong challenger to some ARM-based embedded processors…

    Where's the evidence for this assertion? Is the Quark being used anywhere in volume? And if, as the article goes on to argue, even cheaper open source hardware is starting to appear, how does Intel stack up there?

    I thought Quark was supposed to be the gateway drug from Intel for embedded Its power consumption is still well above that of the M-series so it waves the x86 instruction set to attract attention. Personally, I think the ARM has an increasingly attractive argument about the same toolchain across devices.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    " instantaneous response to changing conditions is required, such as lighting management"

    WTF? How does lighting management need to be "instantaneous"? The lights are for the benefit of humans, who can't perceive a reaction delay of a couple milliseconds, let alone microseconds!

    1. Simon Harris
      Flame

      Re: " instantaneous response to changing conditions is required, such as lighting management"

      Milliseconds?

      Most of the lights in my house are compact fluorescents - they seem to have a delay of getting on for a second or so before they do much anyway!

      I could rub two boy scouts together and get a fire going quicker than some CFs come on ------------------------------------------------------>

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: " instantaneous response to changing conditions is required, such as lighting management"

        "I could rub two boy scouts together" - have you consider Catholicism?

        1. Roo
          Windows

          Re: " instantaneous response to changing conditions is required, such as lighting management"

          "I could rub two boy scouts together" - have you consider Catholicism?"

          Nearly gave an upvote for appropriate use of A/C. :)

  9. ecarlseen

    "The M7 supports 64-bit data transfer and can execute two instructions in parallel, which will be important for markets where instantaneous response to changing conditions is required, such as lighting management."

    I actually laughed out loud at this. I hope this is just copy/pasted from a press release and not the result of any serious or considered analysis.

    1. Charles Manning

      The whole "article" is just cut&paste out of variouse press releases. The Quark stuff directly from Intel, the 8051 directly from Silicon Labs.

      Only ARM covers all the bases from Coretex M0 (with devices starting at 28c that run for a year or more on a coin cell) to multicore application running Linux/whatever.

  10. fpx
    Meh

    Too Powerful

    The Cortex-M7 mostly adds DSP instructions over the Cortex-M4. Even that was no slough. For digital I/O and simple control tasks even a Cortex-M0 is plenty. You only really need an M4 or even an M7 if you want to process data streams like audio.

    Yes, the M7 narrows the gap between microcontrollers and "real" processors. But the bottom end of the "processor" market, with CPUs like Broadcom SoC (Cortex-A based) as in the Rasperry Pi, is defined by what runs Linux.

    Nobody will dump their Linux-based designs for a Cortex-M, and very, very few microcontroller designs need the additional processing power, so this looks like a very narrow niche.

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