back to article Spin doctors crack 'impossible' asteroid hurtling towards Earth

Scientists studying a mysterious asteroid that could hit Earth in the 29th century think they've found the reason why the fast-spinning object hasn't blown itself apart. The asteroid, 1950 DA, is over a kilometer (0.62 miles) across and rotates completely every 2.1 hours, a speed once thought impossible since the forces …

  1. MacroRodent
    Mushroom

    Blow up a nuke but _not_ on the asteroid

    Trying to blow it up is of course silly, but some a-bombs nearby could be used to deflect it without breaking. The idea would be to use the blast of heat to ablate material from the rubble pile so that the reaction nudges it from an Earth-hitting orbit to a missing one. Probably better use several smaller bombs to make the operation "gentle".

    1. Mark 85

      Re: Blow up a nuke but _not_ on the asteroid

      You're probably right about that working. However, given the political climate, nothing will be done until 6 months before it hits. And since it's so far out in time, the current crowd will say "Let's not worry about it." So our great-great-great grandchildren (I may need to add more "great"s to that) will have to figure something out.

      For all we know, there may not be any Earthlings left. We could have destroyed ourselves by then, or figured out a way to move to another planet in a different sun system or maybe have an asteroid deflector in place and working.

      I would hate to think that nukes will be the only option by then.

  2. king of foo

    Prof. Hubert J. Farnsworth

    So when are we firing a giant ball of garbage at it?

    1. Phil W

      Re: Prof. Hubert J. Farnsworth

      Or push the Earth into a slightly wider orbit, fixing global warming and taking us out of the asteroid's path.

      1. Rich 11

        Re: Prof. Hubert J. Farnsworth

        Or push the Earth into a slightly wider orbit, fixing global warming and taking us out of the asteroid's path.

        Get it right and we could also do away with the need for leap years.

        1. Crazy Operations Guy

          Re: Prof. Hubert J. Farnsworth

          Far enough out and we can get the year to be 420 days long; then we'd no longer have leap years, each day would fall on the same day of the week every year and all 12 months would be exactly 35 days.

          The only problem is all the immature idiots that would laugh at the number...

      2. razorfishsl

        Re: Prof. Hubert J. Farnsworth

        and into many many more………

        In the current orbit we have been hovering up space crap for 5 billion years so it's fairly clear.

    2. chivo243 Silver badge

      Re: Prof. Hubert J. Farnsworth

      Good news everyone, we have 8 or so centuries before it launches, giving Fry plenty of time to train us how to litter.

  3. Martin Budden Silver badge

    Sounds like a small lightning bolt would overcome those pesky charges and allow it to spin itself to bits. Van de Graaff beats van der Waals. Do it soon so the little bits have plenty of time to disperse before the predicted intersection with Earth's orbit.

  4. dan1980

    Personally, I will take 'almost as deady' over 'deadly' any day.

  5. Thorne

    All Mine!

    Someone will mine it to death long before the 29th century

  6. Yugguy

    It's aliens!!!

    Obviously this is NOT an asteriod, it is an alien warship DISGUISED as one.

    1. Vladimir Plouzhnikov

      Re: It's aliens!!!

      Nah, what are the chances of that happening? A million to one, I'd say...

      1. F0rdPrefect

        Re: It's aliens!!!

        A million to one?

        Is it coming from Mars?

        Or were you thinking of a Turtle based universe?

        1. Vladimir Plouzhnikov

          Re: It's aliens!!!

          "Is it coming from Mars?"

          It's you that say it is.

          Seriously? No, it's coming from Florida, when they fired that gun at the Moon but sadly missed. Poor Michel Ardan...

  7. Christoph

    If they hit it fairly soon and break it up, the pieces will have a long time to spread out - all that will hit the Earth are one or two ordinary meteors.

    What puzzles me is how it got created in the first place. If it was already spinning rapidly, any impacting material would have bounced off. Probably knocking other bits free at the same time. So how did the various bits of rubble assemble into the asteroid? Unless it assembled first and then got spun up later (there's some odd effects that can do this)?

    1. MacroRodent

      (there's some odd effects that can do this)?

      Yes, actually. Uneven pressure from sunlight. This was mentioned some time ago when an asteroid was observed to break apart because it started spinning too fast. There was an ElReg article about it which I'm too lazy to dig up now. Hopefully the same thing will happen to this one, before we need to bomb it.

  8. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    Something I don't get here

    How is it worse to break up a weakly-cohesive assembly of material rather than a solid chunk of rock ? In either case, you get pieces - not only when the material sticks together because of gecko feet.

    I've never heard that NASA favoured exploding asteroids. What NASA has always favoured has been pushing the threat to another orbit that does not risk impacting us.

    1. Michael H.F. Wilkinson Silver badge

      Re: Something I don't get here

      As I gather from the article, they favour pushing it away by some means, but worry that that might break it up. Pushing a solid piece of rock is predictable, pushing a spinning pile of rubble close to breaking point is not.

      Piles of rubble are notoriously unstable, as I notice whenever I tidy my office

    2. razorfishsl

      Re: Something I don't get here

      Ask the Chinese, they are the experts on this when they toasted that satellite……

  9. VinceH
    Boffin

    "These forces, named after the Dutch physicist who noticed them, involve all attractive and repulsive forces between molecules or parts of them that cannot be chalked up to covalent bonds or electrostatics. These include close-range quantum effects and dipole-dipole interaction, and are used by gecko lizards to climb sheer surfaces, and also draw small aircraft, piloted by playmonauts, toward trees."

    FTFY!

  10. David Pollard

    The 29th century?

    We'll have to hope that they are running a recruitment programme. Bruce Willis might not be available.

    1. Elmer Phud

      Re: The 29th century?

      " Bruce Willis might not be available."

      There's some hope then.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The answer is simple: someone patents "A method for impacting a loosely-assembled interplanetary asteroid into a populated planet" and then we sue it into oblivion.

    /Prior art be damned

    .. or we could just launch patent attorneys at the thing.

    1. Alistair
      Thumb Up

      ".. or we could just launch patent attorneys at the thing."

      This is a viable solution, but not for the issue of the object hitting earth.

      1. Vic

        This is a viable solution, but not for the issue of the object hitting earth.

        Well, you say that, but there's some merit in the suggestion.

        Time to get the R&D started. We've got less than 900 years. Let's get those lawyers flying...

        Vic.

  12. James Pickett

    This article seems to imply that there are no other asteroids heading our way before 2800, which I suspect is not the case. Is this really the most immediate threat they can find..?

    1. dan1980

      @James Pickett

      It is almost certainly not the only asteroid headed our way but detecting asteroids coming near Earth is a notoriously tricky prospect and, even when we do identify one, it's not always with enough time to spare that we could do much, if anything, about it.

      Of course, humanity has been lucky to this point but if we do find an asteroid sufficient to do serious damage far enough out to actually do something about it then we should at least use it as a good theoretical test case.

  13. James Pickett

    "a speed once thought impossible"

    I expect it's also doing more than 30mph.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Coat

    Gravel pile?

    I vote we nuke the thing when its outbound or well away from us, the bits that make it up would spread out and could only be almost as bad if they are big enough - turning it into a loose collection of gravel may be bad for satellites bu tnot us

    or get it to follow a man with a red flag

    1. razorfishsl

      Re: Gravel pile?

      Two hundred years later, an alien race wipes out the Earth after tracking down the source of a fragmented astroid that impacted & destroyed their beloved planet

  15. ciaran
    Boffin

    Antimatter

    The problem with most asteroid defense schemes is that the person in control could turn around and threaten the earth with the system that they're supposed to use on the asteroid.

    My proposition is to use a beam of anti-particles - because that would be cool, but also because an antiparticle would never be able to penetrate the atmosphere.

    Apparently there are pockets of antiparticles generated by the sun and captured by the earths magnetic field... just saying !

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Have I got this right

    A a space ship held together by a bunch of space lizards are heading to Earth, and we have no usable defence except nukes.

    Well we all know what happens when radiation hits space lizards.

    I'm worried

  17. a53

    I expect it's also doing more than 30mph.

    Stick enough speeding tickets on it and they'll change it's path from a collision course with ease.

  18. lawndart

    says:

    Straightforward solution.

    Get a whole load of geckos. Train them to wear little gecko spacesuits. Put them in a ship and send it off to the asteroid. Once there they all attach a line to the spaceship and float over to the asteroid. They stick themselves dipole-dipole fashion to the surface and begin squirting cyanoacrylate adhesive over the asteroid to bind it together. The lines are all wound into a single strong cable by the spin of the asteroid. The spaceship then begins a very gentle burn until the asteroid is no longer on collision course. The geckos then detach from the surface and their lines, and float back to the spaceship. They return to Earth to a hero's welcome and all the insects they can eat.

  19. Stevie

    Bah!

    This asteroid is clearly held together by secreted alien resin.

    Either that or the shape of the thing has tricked the scientists' spin-o-meter. Again, the work of aliens.

  20. WalterAlter
    Devil

    The Only Rubble Pile is Between Astronomers' Ears

    From: https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2014/06/27/dynamic-asteroids/

    Most asteroids are presumed to be loosely compacted “rubble piles”. The idea came about in order to help explain various mass anomalies that have been seen in asteroid crater studies, along with experiments like Deep Impact, and observations of what appears to be “regolith migration” on asteroids Itokawa and Eros. Since gravitational acceleration on asteroids is minute, banding, landslides, and layering is thought to be due to micro-meteor impacts shaking the asteroids. Over long periods of time, the shaking sorts the materials by size and density in the same way that a jar of sand and pebbles will sort itself when it is shaken.

    Some asteroids, such as Vesta, have craters that should have shattered them into fragments when they were hit. Vesta is only 520 kilometers wide, but possesses a crater 460 kilometers in diameter The only suitable explanation, according to gravity-based models of asteroid behavior, is that they are like big sand piles, absorbing impacts without shattering.

    The electric model of asteroid formation does not require that one body crash into another one for there to be craters. Electric arcs have the ability to cut surfaces, scoop out material and then accelerate it into space, leaving clean cuts, deep pits and chaotic topography. The effect is commonly called electric discharge machining (EDM). Comets also exhibit surface features that are the same as what has been seen on asteroids, leading Electric Universe theorists to speculate that the two are really one thing and not “dirty snowballs” vs. rocky bodies.

    (more at link)

    https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2014/06/27/dynamic-asteroids/

    1. David Given

      Re: The Only Rubble Pile is Between Astronomers' Ears

      Electric Universe? Wow, I remember those posts from Usenet! Is it still David Talbott behind it? Is it still based on Velikovskyism, where most human catastrophes are caused by close passes of other planets by Earth? Have they come up with a plausible theory of how where the energy comes from for the dV to change a planet's course yet?

    2. Stratman

      Re: The Only Rubble Pile is Between Astronomers' Ears

      "Some asteroids, such as Vesta, have craters that should have shattered them into fragments when they were hit. Vesta is only 520 kilometers wide, but possesses a crater 460 kilometers in diameter The only suitable explanation, according to gravity-based models of asteroid behavior, is that they are like big sand piles, absorbing impacts without shattering."

      It may be only 520 kilometers wide now, but who's to say it wasn't many times that before the 460 km crater was formed, and the 520 km version is just what's left after the impact?

  21. psychonaut

    this technique has been used by geckos for millenia

    and theyve never told us about it? why you little green bastards....im coming for ya!

  22. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Why would dealing with this be any more difficult than a solid one?

    If it was solid, we'd try doing something to push it out of the way (landing on it and thrusting, painting one side white, exploding a nuke to one side of it) You can still do any of those things (maybe landing might be difficult) and if it stays together, you still push it out of the way. If it falls apart because the van der Waals force fails, it will spin itself to a widely distributed state.

    So long as we take care of it in less than 900 years, that should give it plenty of time to disperse to the point where all that happens is we have a nice meteor shower to watch from the comfort of our flying car. Well, assuming flying cars aren't still 30 years away in 2950.

  23. Random Fires

    The problem in space, is Mass.

    Launch enough mass towards it to rip away some mass, and definitely not join AD 1950's.

    "Widdle" it down with a few passes. No nukes or unknown trajectories (debris) to speak of.

    The problem on earth is moving Mass.

    I'm sure someone will start a Kick Starter for it before 2879.

    No Worries.

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