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The porn industry has hit back at Google after its decision to ban smutty sites from using its main advertising platform. The search engine's new policy on porn came into force last week and effectively bans any grumble movie makers from promoting their sites using Adwords, a service which puts paid-for advertising next to …

  1. Psyx

    Our SEO lead threw his hands in the air and said: "Shit, now I'm going to have to do my job and earn page rank instead of just paying money!"

    Next up... gambling sites?

  2. Neil Barnes Silver badge
    Boffin

    anti-sex morality groups

    How do they breed?

    Enquiring minds want to know.

    1. sandman

      Re: anti-sex morality groups

      Ah they're not anti-sex as such, just anti any sort that's done outside the married, heterosexual, missionary position (no funny stuff) only bed. There have been total anti-sex religious movements in the past such as the Shakers, but these tend to be a little self-limiting and have a noticeably short shelf-life.

      1. Richard Taylor 2

        Re: anti-sex morality groups

        "in the past such as the Shakers, but these tend to be a little self-limiting and have a noticeably short shelf-life."

        but great furniture

        1. Bloakey1

          Re: anti-sex morality groups

          "but great furniture"

          By God man, have an up vote.

      2. Bloakey1

        Re: anti-sex morality groups

        <snip>

        "There have been total anti-sex religious movements in the past such as the Shakers, but these tend to be a little self-limiting and have a noticeably short shelf-life."

        Shakers eyyy. Is that what they call them in your part of the world?

        I have always wondered what vegans did when performing oral sex!

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: anti-sex morality groups

      In the dark and fully clothed?

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    4. Ben Bonsall

      Re: anti-sex morality groups

      By dividing down the middle?

      1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

        Re: anti-sex morality groups

        >> By dividing down the middle?

        Ah. Like other bacteria.

    5. Craigness

      Re: anti-sex morality groups

      You can have sex, just as long as you don't enjoy it.

    6. phuzz Silver badge

      Re: anti-sex morality groups

      How do they breed?

      Hypocritically.

    7. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: How do they breed?

      They think of England?

      And I'm glad to see the porn industry fiercely defend my civic rights.

  3. NotWorkAdmin

    @ Jasper Hamill

    Is it just possible you're coming off as some kind of self righteous twat by referring to anyone in the porn industry as a pervert?

    1. Fred Flintstone Gold badge

      Re: @ Jasper Hamill

      That was somewhat compensated for by similarly tagging the originators of this filtering:

      a wide-ranging coalition of prudes, parents and pastors (yes, I saw what he did there)

      1. MrT

        Some say...

        ...he has shares in an online dictionary and is even now earning cash every time someone looks up 'turpitude'. The rest of the story is clickbait...

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Some say...

          I think Moral Turpitude used to be on the US Visa Waiver Form.... along with Terrorism, Spying and War Crimes....

        2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

          Re: Some say...

          "earning cash every time someone looks up 'turpitude'."

          To save anyone else looking it up...

          Turpitude; The state of mind attained when while cleaning paintbrushes.

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      2. MiguelC Silver badge

        Re: @ Jasper Hamill

        prudes AND pastors? isn't that a pleonasm?

        1. Fluffy Bunny
          Devil

          Re: @ Jasper Hamill

          "prudes, parents and pastors" - not a pleonasm, but a tautology.

  4. frank ly

    Retention rate

    "Glider said his business had suffered, with traffic figures plummeting off the back of the Google advertising ban."

    It can't be very good. Maybe if he improved his product......

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    2. Bloakey1
      Happy

      Re: Retention rate

      "plummeting off the back "

      I thought I had been around a bit but I have never tried this. Does it hurt and does it involve lubricants?

      1. Captain DaFt

        Re: Retention rate

        @ Bloakey1

        OK, You've got everyone looking at me funny now.

        Best laugh I've had all week, especially since it brought to mind:

        "How do you feel about sex on the telly?"

        "Oh, I'm against it! I mean, I keep falling off!"

      2. Fungus Bob

        Re: does it involve lubricants?

        Just goose grease....

  5. MJI Silver badge

    Perhaps people do not like porn

    Not for prudishness ect, I like pictures of naked ladies but find porn off putting.

    I do not want to see othermen's willies or naked men.

    1. Geoff Campbell Silver badge
      Boffin

      Re: Perhaps people do not like porn

      How veeeery interestink.

      I think we are making some real progress here. Now, tell me about your mother?

      GJC

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Trollface

        Re: Perhaps people do not like porn

        In detail, please.

        1. MJI Silver badge

          Re: Perhaps people do not like porn

          Well, let's think

          Naked woman, no problem, can be a nice sight depending on who.

          Naked man - yuk

          Other mens todgers, no thanks.

          Since porn seem to involve todgers I am not a fan of it, doesn't mean I hate sex. Erotica can be pretty good, watching other people bonking is well off putting and boring. I can think of much better things to see, like for example my wife.

          Basically porn is a spectator thing, I prefer participation.

  6. Terry 6 Silver badge

    Doesn't kill anyone

    Porn doesn't actually kill anyone.

    But does Google block Adwords for cigs?

    ( I don't see the ads, like most people commenting here, I assume, so can't test this myself).

    How about dodgy "meds"?

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      1. Graham Marsden

        @Symon - Re: Doesn't kill anyone

        No, that's just stupidity and I don't see google blocking that any time soon...

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          1. Graham Marsden

            Re: @Symon - Doesn't kill anyone

            > How about this?

            Given the number of porn workers, what's remarkable is the *low* number of people infected and the measures that the industry itself is willing to take to deal with the problem.

            Now compare that with the rising number of young people who have not got the Safer Sex message and have contracted STDs...

    2. David Pollard

      How about dodgy "meds"?

      I'd taken a look at this some weeks ago after being surprised to see a viagra sales link on an NHS page. A quick search with [site:nhs.uk paypal viagra] suggests that despite the NHS saying Google had been working with them on the problem of hacking by internet pharmaceutical vendors the dodgy dealers are still in there.

  7. Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik

    While they are at it...

    Can we please block cig ads, alchohol ads, political ads(I don't enjoy being bombarded by the same dodgy politicos I try and ignore in real life while watching youtube), dodgy weight loss ads, the stupidity that youtube ads are where you are listening to a song and in pops an ad that is... a FULL length song from a diff youtube channel...

    1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

      Re: While they are at it...

      Can we please block ads.

      <sorted that for you>

    2. Psyx

      Re: While they are at it...

      I don't mind fags and booze being advertised half as much as I despise the number of gambling adverts everywhere. There is a massive advertising drive that's normalising the behaviour. Hell: even the Wonga Loans ad references the fact that the wife is getting the loan to buy a new bed because "they scored a goal, didn't they". Great: Hubby loses a bundle down the bookies so wife takes out a short-term loan.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: While they are at it...

      FYI, cigarette (including e-cigarette) ads are, in fact, banned. At least from "display" ads.

  8. Message From A Self-Destructing Turnip
    Holmes

    Willy W*ankers Chocolate Factory

    Hmmm. Before muscling in, it always pays to soften the competition up a bit first. Pron is a multi billion dollar interweb revenue stream that Google has not tapped in to yet.

    1. Fred Flintstone Gold badge

      Re: Willy W*ankers Chocolate Factory

      Pron is a multi billion dollar interweb revenue stream that Google has not tapped in to yet.

      That we know of. You won't be able to Google for it, you see ..

    2. caffeine addict
      Joke

      Re: Willy W*ankers Chocolate Factory

      So, you're expecting Google to tap that? Got you.

      1. Message From A Self-Destructing Turnip

        Re: Willy W*ankers Chocolate Factory

        Yes, the first step towards market penetration, lets say.

    3. 's water music

      Re: Willy W*ankers Chocolate Factory

      Before muscling in, it always pays to soften the competition up a bit first.

      Nothing beats off* pr0n competition like a bit of softening up :-)

      *dyswidt?

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @Jasper

    "...German dogging videos would be shown links to other sorts of similar smut."

    Sooooo, past experience then? :)

    1. Bloakey1

      Re: @Jasper

      "@Jasper

      "...German dogging videos would be shown links to other sorts of similar smut."

      Sooooo, past experience then? :)"

      Yes. he used to be a German Shepherd.

      OK, I will get my coat.

  10. Stuart Castle Silver badge

    Ok. Fair enough, it's Google's choice who they allow to use Adwords, after all, it's their service, and we don't automatically have a right to any privately owned service or company.

    Bearing in mind this new, apparently moral based stance on who they serve ads to, I take it we can look forward to them refusing to serve ads to weapon manufacturers, tobacco companies, alcohol companies as well as any other industry that has some links with killing people?

    No?

    1. Not That Andrew

      Do BAE, Boeing, Lockheed and Thales advertise on adwords?

      1. Bloakey1

        "Do BAE, Boeing, Lockheed and Thales advertise on adwords?"

        Yes they do and I see them now and again.

        I think the last time they pooped up I was doing something with SOPHIE, lovely girl whoc could see in the dark.

  11. Moosh
    Paris Hilton

    Why is sex so uniquely divisive?

    Because it's linked to pleasure?

    Is it really all because some people are insecure with themselves sexally? Porn addiction is a real thing, but something that would aid that would be increased awareness and more social acceptability. Not trying to hide it. I Iegitimately have trouble trying to understand certain things, and this is one of them. It's one of those times when there's such a huge disconnect between my thoughts and theirs. I can't reconcile it.

    Are members of this group all people who have suffered at the hands of pornography? Were they people too oblivious to their own flaws that they got too deep into it and became embarassed when they eventually couldn't get it up in front of their missus? People who where discovered visiting dominatrices when they were married (with children)? Were they offended when a good friend of theirs was revealed to have a cross-dressing fetish? Do they worry their children will suddenly become perverse hellions from watching porn?

    Do they realize that the more overtly taboo you make things, the worse certain people start to fetishize and obsess about them? The more socially unacceptable the behaviour, the more difficulty a sufferer has in coming clean about it and seeking help?

    I mean, we're talking about consenting adults being paid to do this stuff. It's not child abuse or murder. Hopefully.

    And it just seems to be some people; my mother's a christian and not at all prudish, and I am uncomfortably aware that my parents seem to be into some rather perverse things themselves (only natural, really, after 25 years of a successful marriage).

    Really, if I want to jerk it to fat swedish lesbians covering themselves in butter and rolling around in a load of mud, why should anyone object to that?

    1. Graham Marsden
      Unhappy

      @moosh

      > why should anyone object to that?

      Because, as is traditional with with religious lobbies and the Mary Whitehouse Brigade and so on, the objection is "We don't like it, so *you* shouldn't be allowed to see it, just in case it makes you do something bad..."

      Unfortunately, as with all such prohibitions, it only makes the "forbidden fruit" even more attractive and does nothing to actually stop the behaviours (such as rape, abuse, misogyny etc) which happen whether or not the viewer has seen it.

      Regrettably, however, because of the "shame" that society surrounds such things with, few people are willing to stand up and say "I like this, I want to see it", so the politicians pander to the vocal minority knowing that it will go down well in the hypocritical media (Daily Fail, I'm looking at you) with their claims that they are "protecting" us/ society/ women/ children from harm, when, in fact, they're causing the opposite.

      Google have, it seems, fallen for the same short-sighted view.

      1. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

        @graham

        Graham wrote

        Because, as is traditional with with religious lobbies and the Mary Whitehouse Brigade and so on, the objection is "We don't like it, so *you* shouldn't be allowed to see it, just in case it makes you do something bad..."

        Actually, their argument tends to be, "We don't like it and we don't want our children seeing it (or liking it), and they might, if you don't censor it."

        1. codejunky Silver badge

          Re: @graham

          @ Brewster's Angle Grinder

          We should just give them parenting lessons instead

        2. Graham Marsden
          Childcatcher

          @ Brewster's Angle Grinder - Re: @graham

          > Actually, their argument tends to be, "We don't like it and we don't want our children seeing it (or liking it)

          No, the "Won't Someone Think of the Children!" argument is just their excuse for trying to ban something that they don't want us seeing.

      2. Psyx
        Pint

        Re: @moosh

        "> why should anyone object to that?"

        Because anyone who can't find pr0n on the net without resorting to Google Ads doesn't deserve it!

    2. Marcelo Rodrigues
      Unhappy

      "Really, if I want to jerk it to fat swedish lesbians covering themselves in butter and rolling around in a load of mud, why should anyone object to that?"

      Exactly because You want it. Religion derives its power from guilty, simple as this. One incredible force drive is hysterics.

      Step 1: Convince a person that $DEITY will torture him/her for all eternity, if some rules aren't followed.

      Step 2: Make the rules. Be sure to make them weird, contradictory and (of course!) going against some primal instinct.

      Step 3: As expected, everyone is guilty. Sell (one way or another) salvation.

      Step 4: Profit.

      That's the reason why sex gets so much flack. We all do it (one way or another), we all like it, and we are all born from it. It is the perfect thing to trip someone's guilt.

  12. GreggS

    Surely

    This is nothing but a little prick in their revenues. The big pricks you still have to pay for directly via their site.!

  13. Irongut

    Someone should start a campaign to get Google to ban religious organisations from using AdWords. Organised religions have killed millions over the centuries and they perpetuate through indoctrination of children.

    IT'S FOR THE FREAKING CHILDREN!!!

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Really ??

    People actually Google for pr0n ??

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Really ??

      That's EXACTLY what I was thinking and started to wonder if maybe I'd memorized a few too many URL's...

      ("How many is too many?" is altogether a different question)

      1. Psyx
        Happy

        Re: Really ??

        Memorise? Why would you need to do that. Surely you could just favourite them...

  15. Richard Taylor 2

    Alliteration

    " after pressure from a wide-ranging coalition of prudes, parents and pastors."

    not a dying art then...

  16. Simon Harris

    The famous porn brand BaDoink

    Ba who?

    Never heard of them before this article. Obviously their advertising department hasn't been trying hard enough!

    1. MrWibble

      Re: The famous porn brand BaDoink

      Why advertise, when you can put out a press release?

  17. John G Imrie

    Dirty Dozen

    I went and looked at the porn harms web site and saw that they had a Dirty Dozen list. Grate I thought ,the top twelve porn sites in the world. No such luck top of the page it says.

    We encourage you to join us in publicly recognizing these twelve as responsible parties in the spread of pornography and exploitation. Help us call on them to change their ways.

    This list contains the following well know Pornographers:-

    Barns & Noble

    Verizon

    PlayStation

    Hilton Hotel Chain

    Cosmo

    50 Shades of Gray

    I think someone should introduce these people to edonky :-)

  18. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    No Goog in my pleasure palace please

    Let there be a wall of separation between search and 'bate. There are some things Google really shouldn't know about us.

  19. Stevie

    Bah!

    But how will ... a friend of mine ... get his p3niz p1llz now?

  20. Nanners

    Pretty plain and simple

    These are people who don't have kids or human decency V.S. the rest of the world. I could care less about what you do to yourselves. I'll probably even watch it, but I sure as hell don't want it being pushed on 6-7 yr. old kids ... who are googling (mine is) now.

    1. phuzz Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: Pretty plain and simple

      You're right. In fact it would be much better for them if they never saw any porn in their entire lives. you hold the sprog down, I'll go get the eyball scoop.

  21. hippychick

    Just say no to Google & censorship

    What's next? Anyway you should read the letter in full - many salient points.

    http://www.badoink.com/lifestyle/opinion-pieces/an-open-letter-to-google/

  22. ratfox
    Happy

    "I’m baffled as to why you’d elect to take so moral a tack, which is, in and of itself, morally suspect. As the pornographer in this conversation, I should be the one surrounded by an air of moral turpitude."

    Truly, this paragraph is full of win.

  23. earl grey
    Happy

    dominatrices

    Makes me think fondly of a certain moderatrix......ahhhhhhh

  24. i dont give a fuck
    Pirate

    Willy W*ankers Chocolate Factory

    poo, how am i goning to find stuff to keep my right hand busy....

  25. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    While they can obviously stop a site from monetizing from Google ads, do they even have the power to stop people from taking out ads? Can't I just go to a reseller of a reseller of Google ads like all those ads that contain zero-day exploits, malware, and fake download buttons do?

    Wouldn't that be a better target to kick off the platform anyways?

    (I know the article talks about AdWords, but who uses AdWords anymore anyways? I mainly just see the flash-iframes-scripts-etc AdSense ads now.)

  26. Anonymous Coward
    Big Brother

    Prudes, parents and pastors

    "Mountain View made its decision to boot porn off the Adwords network after pressure from a wide-ranging coalition of prudes, parents and pastors.<br><br>

    Todd Glider, CEO of a famous porn brand called BaDoink, has penned an open letter to Google in which he attacked Mountain View for kowtowing to the religious lobby."

    You don't have to be a religious prude to not want to see porn served up in your search results. Besides which this isn't the porn your parents got to watch. There are some of the sickest fucks out there on the Internet and I for one don't want to know about it.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Gimp

      Re: Prudes, parents and pastors

      I do.

  27. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Amazed this 'business' is still going..

    I would have thought Bit Torrent would have dealt it a fatal blow...

  28. Fluffy Bunny
    Devil

    The real problem

    The real problem here is that the antis have that sneaking sense that somewhere, somehow, somebody is having fun.

  29. Dr Scrum Master
    Holmes

    Ads?

    There are ads on Google? I'd never really noticed them...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Ads?

      What have you added to AdBlock+ to get the embedded ads in google to disappear? I tried this: google.com/aclk?sa=

      but it doesn't work.

  30. ecofeco Silver badge

    LOSER

    I am simply gobsmacked that some commentards here are trying to justify his actions.

    He was cheating on his wife and using heroin.

    For those of you who do not see a problem with this, seek help.

  31. OmgTheyLetMePostInTheUK

    I'm still trying to figure out how we went from God saying, "Go forth and spread thy Seed", to preachers saying that doing so is Sinful.

    And there was a time when I believed that those same preachers were spreading Gods word.

    On the other hand, I still haven't found the scripture that talks about lubricants... LOL

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