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For years, the world's largest technology vendors have assumed that China represents a colossal opportunity, albeit with an unusual set of hoops to jump through in order to do business. That view now seems a little dated according to Frank Liu, analyst firm Forrester's chap covering converged infrastructure and big data in …

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  1. Richard Jones 1
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    Something About To Roost?

    With all the moves to outsource production to China and thus funding the investment in high technology production methods and teaching them how well they can make things it is to be expected that they would want to cut out the middle men. Snowden undoubtedly provided a nice public hat peg on which to hang the change but the USA reservations about Huawei provided a lovely reason to tie several things together.

    So we now have a perfect storm. We have lost most of the production capabilities and skills to China, spent our available investment there, chased a mirage that they had a market we could sell to. For good measure we have also set off a mare's nest of security threats, oh happy days and lost visibility of threats.

    Looking on the slim bright side. I feel just a little better that personal and family health issues are making travel that little bit less likely.

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  3. Nifty Silver badge

    Somewhere along the line PEOPLE get involved

    Were Chinese companies to flock to home grown hardware/software solutions then there will be a home-grown skills shortage that will thoroughly stifle tech progress in China.

    Why? Because the first thing an IT grad/professional in China does on gaining a few years experience is start scouring the global job market for opportunities. Next step is to scheme how to emigrate taking young family with.

    Only in genuinely free markets and free cultures do top pros want to stay and work forever.

    So China will still end up having to import hi tech from countries where brains want to live.

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    1. El_Fev
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      Re: Somewhere along the line PEOPLE get involved

      Well that's just brilliant, mean while the less than top brains and working class , will be working aero hours contracts due to all manufacturing being outsourced to China, but hey at least some of their 1% can come over here to buy up houses and take what few good paying jobs remain ..genius!¬

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    2. Anonymous Coward
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      Re: Somewhere along the line PEOPLE get involved

      "then there will be a home-grown skills shortage that will thoroughly stifle tech progress in China."

      Each year China have new graduates in the thousands, do you really think there will be a shortage?

      "Why? Because the first thing an IT grad/professional in China does on gaining a few years experience is start scouring the global job market for opportunities. "

      You are making assumptions from a non.Chinese perspective, you are not considering how patriots they are for example. And Im not aware of any trend about hiring Chinese graduates in the West.

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      1. noominy.noom
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        Re: Somewhere along the line PEOPLE get involved

        Re: Somewhere along the line PEOPLE get involved

        If you read Chinese news, you'd see that Chinese graduates do indeed move outside their country whenever possible. The PeoplesDaily site doesn't exactly emphasize the fact, but other sites report on it frequently. One site I believe is put together by Brits on site, shanghailist. There are lots of other sites to read.

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      2. Nifty Silver badge
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        Re: Somewhere along the line PEOPLE get involved

        Assumptions that come from the fact that I know a number of Chinese planning emigration from China, they are typically engineering postgrads. Also that the best Chinese patriots seem to be able to earn well in China without necessarily being engineering geniuses. So indeed, they will stay in China.

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    3. Nick Kew
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      China has the skills base - in spades

      China is far from short of highly-skilled developers. The language barrier means we interact with them less than with American, European or other English-speaking communities, but they're there and developing some great stuff.

      And as for Snowden, he's done no more than to confirm longstanding suspicions. Example: suspicions of an NSA backdoor in Windows goes back to the last century! Stuxnet demonstrates that vulnerabilities of some kind can indeed be exploited in a real-life act of war. China is right to be wary of what equipment they use anywhere genuinely sensitive, and we should be too.

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  4. HCL

    Chinese IT purchases

    Good approach by China. Wish even the Indian Govt comes out with sucha plan. Misuse of technological access by USA is very dangerous. On any day USA will always maximise gains to its own country rather than be global Goodie-Goodie.

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    1. JaitcH
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      WTF?

      Indian Government sleeping with NSA and GCHQ

      There is an extremely large cable intercept station, belonging to NSA and GCHQ, in India.

      So don't go thinking India is independent!

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  5. JaitcH
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    Can you blame them? Obama went around the world badmouthing the Chinese, first.

    Remember when Obama went around the world trying to persuade countries to avoid Chinese products, in the pre-Snowden days?

    Well, time has proved him to be a liar, or a patsy. Didn't stop Australia or England banning Chinese network products from certain applications.

    So this action by China is fully justified, and a poke in the eye for the NSA and GCHQ.

    Mind you, a lot of CISCO equipment have had their software updated since it was bought, so some of the problems are the fault of the user.

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