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Google is now offering European Union netizens a hastily thrown together online form they can fill in to submit requests for certain types of links to be removed from the ad giant's search index. It comes after the EU's highest court ruled earlier this month that Google can be held responsible for the type of personal data …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Why does the search engine have to filter the information, while the website itself doesn't have to remove it?

    1. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge
      Coat

      Exceptions dear coward; exceptions...

      Because any set of axioms can either be consistent but incomplete or complete but inconsistent. The law attempts to do both.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Because the European Union's Court of Justice judges

      Are not real judges. They are politicians, and they make no attempt to make their rulings meet a high bar. Hence rulings like this"shoot the messenger" one.

    3. John Lilburne

      Data processing

      Because the original websites do not collate, process and publish personal data. Example there are credit reference agencies that collate someone's credit history, and court judgements. They then supply a report of such to paying clients and remove material after a certain length of time according to law. Just because a Google search engine does the same by trawling websites. How it obtains the data does not make it any less of a data processor than the credit reference agencies.

      --

      They're inserting little memes in everybody's mind

      So Google's shills can shriek there whenever they're inclined

      1. Daggerchild Silver badge

        Re: Data processing

        To summarise the ruling:

        - The source will not redact. It's protected by media archive law (and wants to remain indexed by Google)

        - The source can remain Googleable.

        - The user can remain Googleable.

        - Except that, when you Google that user, *that* source may not appear in *those* results. It *can* appear in *other* results.

        > "How it obtains the data does not make it any less of a data processor than the credit reference agencies"

        And that's the really really worrying bit. Credit reference agencies consciously collect and process identities. Google collects data. Text. Scribbles. Bytes, bits, flotsam and jetsam. And now some of those bytes are legally actionable. And they won't know in advance which ones, as there is no HTML markup for 'this text is a *particular* human identity legally actionable in *particular* legislations'.

        If you collect human-sourced data, process it and present it with a search function, in a field in which an individual has a reputation they wish to protect, the individual may have a case that you must remove something that causes them reputational harm if it, in their opinion, fulfills the adjudged criteria.

        It's not the size of the search engine that brought the ruling, it's the size of the effect on the individual. Specialist fields may have similarly sized effects in smaller engines.

        Frankly, it should be illegal to use your real identity on the Internet :)

  2. Pete 2 Silver badge

    Real or imaginary

    > provide valid photo ID, such as a copy of their passport or driving licence

    Strictly speaking, they are asking for an ID. Or something that looks like it's an ID. Or rather: a scan or photo of something that looks like an ID which may or may not have been doctored.

    Whether the name or photo on the electronic copy of the (real or fake) document is actually the person (or their agent) who is asking for this take-down is not something that Google has any way of verifying. Unless they are planning to try mugshot matching against their collection of individuals in photos that someone may have correctly tagged.

    One assumes that this is merely a deterrent, rather than any sort of checkable auditable "proof". And that if someone does decide to be a little bit naughty and asks for someone else's (maybe <shock!> not even an EU citizen's) URLs to be removed, then there's nothing really that can be done. Except for Google to email the falsely removed victim and ask "is this you?" Which then just starts the cycle of verfication and validation all over again. Without any absolute proof of anyone's actual identify ever being independently validated.

    But it does give Google a nice little stash of supposedly government issued ID documents (gee, I hope they are kept safe!) submitted by people with something to "hide" and a pointer to what it is they want to keep quiet. It would be a real shame if that collection of IDs and hush-ups ever got out. Is this really privacy, or is it actually making things worse?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Real or imaginary

      In the first place, the assumption is that what people want to keep quiet is stuff that shows up when they Google their own name… So it's hardly something that nobody would know about, I guess.

      Though the part about wanting Google to stop showing it might be slightly more embarrassing, it's not that big of a deal.

      About the ID thing, doesn't Google already sometimes ask for ID to prove your identity? I remember something like that…

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Real or imaginary

        Send government approved biometric image to the world's largest and mostly unregulated surveillance company? You may get the personal information you wanted removed, but you may also help train their facial recognition and you'll provide them with some more very marketable data. Paypal wanted a scanned passport copy to 'prove' my ID but accepted a photoshopped version. Another company wanted my driving licence number, which puzzled me when I'd not previously supplied it, and they informed me it was wrong. Either I'd given it previously & mistyped it or there's already too much data sharing.

    2. Adrian Midgley 1

      claiming ID

      It would mean a criminal offence had probably been committed though.

  3. EddieD
    Joke

    Possible solution

    Send your Photo ID via SnapChat

  4. d3rrial

    In Germany it is illegal to scan or photocopy your ID. What then?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      No, it's not.

      Most hotels take a copy of the ID when checking in. ALL hire car companies take a photocopy of your ID when hiring a car. This happens in Germany as well as the rest of the world.

      1. Radbruch1929

        Yes it is: Section 1, subsection 1, third sentence of the German law regarding the national identity card and section 18, subsection 3 of the German law regarding passports. Just because it happens does not mean it is legal: http://www.datenschutzbeauftragter-info.de/nicht-bemerkt-personalausweis-kopieren-verboten/

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Not quite right.

    “A very significant amount of time is going to be spent in Europe lobbying." FTFY

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Public right to know

    Does "the public" in fact have any right to know anything at all about me?

    I would be completely happy if my name did not appear in google results, ever. Since my name is pretty ordinary, there are a lot of hits (250K+).

    1. Irony Deficient

      Re: Public right to know

      Having an ordinary name might be your best defence. Why, there must be hundreds of Anonymous Cowards on this site alone!

      1. Robert Helpmann??
        Childcatcher

        Re: Public right to know

        There's an Australian actor whose name is the same as mine. He's younger and better looking, so if that's the impression people have of me, fine,

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Public right to know

      "...public’s right to know and distribute information..." Since when does this right exist and in which countries? I can kind of summon up a few "freedom of press" type laws in my mind, but "public's right to know and distribute information" ??????? WTF?

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    No surprise here. They are being made to do something they don't want, so they will throw something together and make it hard to find. They have complied. As far as needing an ID, what did you think would happen, no seriously, no smart ass remark here, but what did you think, it would be on their home page and you simply submit a name and that person disappears?

  8. Stuart

    Scanned ID eh?

    I'm predicting a healthy number of takedown requests will soon have been sent in by someone with some Photoshop skills using the following identities:

    Anti Dandruff

    Dontworry

    FoisGrasCrueltydotCom

    Fire Penguin Disco Panda

    and not forgetting

    Batman Bin Suparman

  9. Nifty Silver badge

    Google wants do dominate yet another internet service

    by putting "We fix your search results" companies like reputation.com out of business.

    It's so unfair!

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    So this is Google doing something to comply with the court ruling. Now the question is, what are the other search providers doing about it? They seem to be rather quiet, are they hoping that they will not be noticed?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      The ruling stated that Google was not exempt from EU laws as they had claimed, and so for the case in question (an order from a Spanish court IIRC) they had to either follow that court's decision or appeal it, in Spain.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    don't drive or take foreign holidays? suck it up...

  12. Robert E A Harvey

    errr..

    I just checked the form, and after asking for my name and email address (which seems reasonable) they then say "If your request concerns more than one URL, please provide an explanation for each URL.".

    I have to list everything about me? I thought they had a search engine!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: errr..

      My thinking is, its not an "all or nothing" take down. The point was that someone wanted some information taken down from many years ago, not everything about themselves.

      Kinda like if an actress gets a picture or a topic posted about an action all over the web, she can have that removed from search, but not everything else about herself.

      I could be wrong though, just my interpretation.

      1. BoldMan

        Re: errr..

        Its more about - "I went bankrupt 20 years ago, but now all my life and finances are in order, I don't want the nasty newspaper article written 20 years ago to keep appearing under my name in searches"

        Seems a perfectly reasonable request to me.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    So where in this decision is there anything to prevent some politician from pulling a Berlusconi and then requesting that all news articles be censored from Google to cover up the scandal?

    After all, it happened in the past, right?

    1. The Mole

      Public interest

      The decision clearly makes is clear there is a valid public interest defense, hence google saying

      "as well as whether there’s a public interest in the information - for example, information about financial scams, professional malpractice, criminal convictions, or public conduct of government officials."

      Ultimately Google have the right to refuse to comply to the nicely committed request in the form for whatever reason they wish, the requester can then take them to court to get a judge to decide what is in the public interest. Of course that relies on the human (?) at google realizing that their might be a public interest and caring enough to reject the request - it would be interesting to see whether this happens or not in reality.

  14. Richard Plinston

    Searchable ?

    Is Google going to make these requests searchable ?

    Web sites may want to know who is requesting removal of their search results.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I just noticed: The form to ask for your details to removed needs to be accompanied by a copy of a valid photo-ID.

    So the NSA can make sure you are ho you think they are before google deletes you? :-)

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