How in the name of all that is holy do you need 500Gb for a Linux-based system?
Gigabyte Brix Pro: You don't need no steenkin' Xbox... when you have 4K-ing amazing graphics
PC sales maybe on a downward trend, but it seems there will always be an interest in an alternative to buying into the console wars. Enter the Gigabyte Brix Pro, just one offering among over a dozen from manufacturers that have committed to releasing Steam gaming machines this year. This heralds the beginning of the latest …
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 13:24 GMT N13L5
If this "Steam console" can't run GTA V, I don't see any point in this.
If you want a small gaming computer, build one inside of Silverstone's SG 08. Its a squeeze, but its as small as you can make it and still keep 2 key gaming system elements: really good low noise cooling and a high end dedicated GPU. I generally prefer aluminum cases from Lian Li, but Silverstone has them beat in regards to gamer layout and size.
Ironically, Gigabyte's own GPU cards with 3 large, slow-running integrated fans were the best I found for this purpose.
I just need a good Xbox and PS4 emulation software for windoze now :P
because no matter what games I'm missing, I'll never buy a stinking console.
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 09:33 GMT Jedit
£550 barebones?
I think it's a mistake to compare this device to a console on the basis of size. It's a PC that has had most of the cooling systems stripped out so it will fit in a smaller case, and being sold at a higher price using the novelty factor as a lever.
Also, due to the aforementioned lack of proper cooling and the temperatures noted in the article, you should expect the components to start degrading within a few months and to burn out completely in perhaps a year if you're lucky.
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 11:59 GMT Rol
Re: £550 barebones?
Build yourself a Midi tower PC, for a lot less.
This would give you greater upgrading options and superior cooling that would run quiet if that is your goal.
Then spend the money you save on upsizing your shoebox to a shack, so you might get the extra square foot of space to squander on your new gaming rig.
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 09:38 GMT DrXym
A shame
I'd love a small PC capable of gaming but it sounds like they're a little away from producing something which works without a flaw. These Brix devices are the closest things yet but it worries me that they should have so many issues. Perhaps when the drivers & firmware settle down it will be a compelling format. I also hold out hope that an AMD A10 powered device could also be used in a similar fashion.
As for SteamOS, it seems like a largely pointless exercise at this time. It's not hard to boot to an app in Windows, including Steam and all the games are there on Windows instead of a tiny fraction on SteamOS. It would be easy to throw other apps like Netflix, XBMC etc. in there too.
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 11:35 GMT Steve Crook
Re: A shame
Try building one based on a Mini ITX board. You'll be able to get all of those goodies into a small ish case, run an I7 with a decent mid range graphics card and keep it relatively small and quiet. Nowhere near as small as a Brix, but the Node 304 case I'm using is tiny when compared to a full sized system.
Of course you'll probably end up paying slightly more, but not much. The system I'm building will come in at under £800 including SSD, HDD, OS and 16gb RAM.
It's still early days for Steam OS and Valve have been clear about it. Games are going to be developed with Steam OS support from the start. At some point I'm expecting to have a box that boots into SteamOS and runs Windows in a VM.
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 12:01 GMT tsdadam
Re: A shame
I've done exactly this in the last couple of weeks. All in around £600 quid. That bought me:
Core i5
8GB RAM
120GB SSD
1TB HDD
GTX 760
mITX Motherboard
Antec ISK 600 mITX case
Corsair 500W Modular PSU
It sits handsomely under my TV, is smaller than my receiver, and so far has no problem running everything I've thrown at it in 1080p 60fps.
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 14:45 GMT DrXym
Re: A shame
"It's still early days for Steam OS and Valve have been clear about it. Games are going to be developed with Steam OS support from the start. At some point I'm expecting to have a box that boots into SteamOS and runs Windows in a VM."
I don't believe that. A very small fraction of games might support SteamOS, but the market will never be there to sustain more. Look how many games get ported to the Mac. I really don't see SteamOS challenging the Mac let alone Windows in any forseeable point in the future.
I suppose Linux benefits from whatever games it can get but to me it seems more likely that SteamOS is just a forerunner for some kind of cloud gaming service.
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 17:41 GMT Boothy
Re: A shame
Main issue atm seems to be the AAA titles, of which there are none on Linux Steam that I'm aware of, other than ones published by Valve themselves.
But for Indi titles, there are lots. and at the moment, a lot of these indi games seem to be way more fun than a lot of the churned out, AAA clones we see.
Last online article (Feb) I saw confirmed there were well over 300 Linux compatible games on Steam, which should all run under Steam OS of course. Compared with 60 games a year earlier. So the numbers are going up and most of the smaller indi titles do seem to be cross platform from the outset.
Obviously there must be people using Steam on Linux, otherwise no one would bother supporting the platform at all. This should mean once we see the official final version of SteamOS launch, there will be a large library of games already and this will also increase the Linux userbase as well, encouraging more developers to support the platform.
I probably won't bother with Steam OS myself, at least not any time soon, but I could see me setting up Linux Steam on my Linux XBMC media PC under the TV, which would essentially give me the same thing.
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 18:43 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: A shame
Can't see why you would want to - Windows 8.1 is consistently faster than Linux (the latest Ubuntu at least), is a lot easier to work with, has far more games, and gets the highest on graphics benchmarks, and the gap is only likely to widen with the forthcoming release of Direct X 12.
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 13:15 GMT NumptyScrub
quote: "PC gaming - gaming for people who like fixing broken crap."
XBox One - basically an x86 PC running a custom OS
Playstation 4 - basically an x86 PC running a custom OS
Brix Pro - basically an x86 PC running either a custom OS (SteamOS) or Windows
My current gaming rig - basically an x86 PC running Windows
So, how do I move from a broken crap PC to something non-broken? :)
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 13:36 GMT N13L5
re: PC gaming - gaming for people who like fixing broken crap.
Sorry for your poor luck with choosing equipment.
Other than broken down drives, which are also present in consoles, I seem to have no issue between the times when I decide things have advanced enough since my last build, to build a new system.
And building them is kinda more fun than most games ^^
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 10:26 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Hmmm...?
Not everyone would use this for gaming you know.
SFF PC's have other uses.
I'd love a small quiet and powerful server to replace the tower that sits by my desk.
At the moment I'm running 9 different VM's Lots of CPU to spare but no RAM.
Something like this would be even better if it could take 64GB of RAM.
Yes, I know that this is a different niche to gaming...
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 09:56 GMT Version 1.0
Minecraft anyone?
"This display module generates sixteen 64 character lines from data stored in a 1024 8-bit byte on-card RAM memory (random access memory). Alphanumeric and control characters (the full 128 upper and lower case plus control ASCII character set) are displayed in a 7 x 9 dot matrix. with its EIA video output, the VDM-l can be used with any standard video monitor." - circa 1976
In 10 years time 4k resolution is going to be obsolete ... but our kids will still be playing Minecraft. Of course, my generation prefers Steve Dompier's Target..
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 10:12 GMT IHateWearingATie
£900 ???
Am I unreasonable in my expectations, but £900 seems really expensive to have a moderately powerful PC that is quite small.
That's more than my desktop cost - granted its an ATX case, but I could have easily plumped for the same components in a mATX case so it could be hidden behind the TV cabinet rather than under my desk in the study, and it is much more powerful for running games.
Can't see this displacing consoles any time soon.
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 10:43 GMT P. Lee
Re: £900 ???
Once you factor in game costs, this is cheap compared to consoles. It's normal PCs this will struggle against. I don't see the point of a quad i7 paired with intel graphics. Surely an i5 is enough to feed that gpu. I want a pciex16 graphics slot, even if it sits in an expansion bay.
When will someone give me an i7 laptop with pciex16 external links an a little NAS which does the downloading? I want a download-only login for steam and download scheduling with something more elegant than cron.
I want them to succeed but this needs refinement. Maybe water-cooling too.
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 12:46 GMT IHateWearingATie
Re: £900 ???
You'd have to buy an awful lot of games to make up for the £500 price difference between a PS4 and this (PS4 is approx £400 which for me was £350 + a year on PS Plus). From what I've seen of the games I buy for my PS4 (typically blockbusters like Call fo Duty) the price difference is rarely more than £10-15 on launch day (much less after a couple of months). I'd need to buy around 40 games just to break even (assuming I buy into PS Plus every year). That's as many as I have in total for my PS2, PS3 and PS4!
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Wednesday 14th May 2014 03:10 GMT P. Lee
Re: £900 ???
> I'd need to buy around 40 games just to break even
This is where we meet the difference between PC and console. PC games last between generations, so its quite easy to acquire 100+ games, especially in the steam sales. I think I picked up all the CoD series up to MW for $25. I moved from a core2 duo with a GT 9800 to a hex-core cpu and GT680 (5-6 times the performance) and everything still works. Even better, I can also load up on my laptop and take the games with me. I've got Monkey Island, which I played in the 1990's. (I could go back to the 1980's with kings-quest though I prefer to leave that as a happy memory!) I can let my kids work on their problem solving skills in MI on whatever hardware I have - I don't need to keep old tech around or risk losing the game because some power supply with a proprietary connector has blown. I don't lose my games because the original game ran on something with analogue video hardware and now I can't get a screen that isn't digital.
Also, did I mention Steam Sales? Humble Bundle?
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Wednesday 14th May 2014 13:41 GMT IHateWearingATie
Re: £900 ???
I don't think I have more than 30 or so PC games that work on my current PC either. I certainly don't get time to play more than a couple (bloody kids).
To my great annoyance I had to buy the command and conquer full set (only £10 admittedly) to get Tiberian Sun working, as my old copy simply refused to work with my modern graphics card. And I don't like to think of the hours I've spent trying to get the original Carmageddon working....
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 10:28 GMT Unicornpiss
Seems fairly pointless...
You could pick your components and build a much better PC than this for the price. True, it might not be as compact, but it likely won't be as noisy or apparently prone to cook itself either.
Are we so space-conscious that we can't find a spot for a standard micro-ATX case somewhere? It seems the whole point of this is to run SteamOS and yet it's not specced out to do so. And only 4 USB ports on a modern machine is a bit scant IMHO.
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Wednesday 14th May 2014 09:20 GMT Lamont Cranston
Re: Seems fairly pointless...
The small form factor is attractive to me, at least. I built my first PC, this year (about the size of a VHS player, replacing the mahoosive tower that I used to have), and a major motivation was to get the size down (and bring the spec up so I could play some more modern games).
What this Brix teaches me, is that I was probably wise not to go for the smallest possible case!
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 10:52 GMT Fading
Intel 5200 at 4K?
It might support 4k but it won't game at 4k - passmark score puts it in the Radeon HD 5670 class (a three generations old mid range card good for 1680x1050 resolutions) .
Given as you can get a low profile version of the HD7750 I suspect a weaker CPU plus small discrete card would be a better combination.
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 10:57 GMT regadpellagru
Windows 8, really ?
I really hope they'll remove the Windows tax, as the whole point of the Steam boxes is exactly this: remove the middle-man.
I also would really like to know how this kind of boxes performs with Planetary Annihilation. The game is very demanding and it seems 8GB would be a minimum requirement to play with comfort.
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 11:01 GMT batfastad
No Thunderbolt = No sale!
Oh, actually I got that wrong. What I meant was I couldn't give a t*ss about Thunderbolt*
Could probably be quite a cost-effective little mining machine.
*I was vaguely interested when Thunderbolt was going to be optical and potentially be a cost-effective way of pumping digital a/v around large convention centre halls. But it turns out it's just a faster version of USB (which I wouldn't really need), with another different a/v connection built-in, much higher licensing costs, and very few peripherals.
Surprising that Intel's not blowing its own Thunderbolt trumpet with this unit though.
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 21:26 GMT Steven Raith
I've got it running in a 20gb VM from when I was doing early testing - I've not had time to drop it on real hardware as yet, though, thanks to work demands.
The '500gb' thing comes from those early days when the only - and I mean only - way to get SteamOS was to use a recovery image - which, due to being mostly open source, was torn apart and a custom installer created that could install on anything bigger than a few gigabytes, within a couple of days.
The installer ISO now supports this (as referenced in the article) with a custom installer, and has done since the the second or third official update about a a fortnight in!
Steven R
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 11:40 GMT Alistair
Right form factor
Now, put in an AMD APU and a reasonable AMD addon video card, Dual Gig Ethernet (why does no one do this?) and an eSATA connector.
Firewall/OwnCloud/Slingbox/CIFS/NFS head.
Just toss intel out of the box and cut the price by at least 1/3.
I'm still happier building a gaming box myself. I can build a better, quieter, longer lived unit by hand for less than that price.
Steam wants 500Gb for install? Sounds like they need some real admins on the dev/qa team.
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Tuesday 13th May 2014 16:45 GMT Sir Runcible Spoon
Re: Meh
I'm saving up my pennies for a full on water-cooled rig and surround sound and I'll be building it just as soon as OR goes retail.
I've seen some decent gaming chairs (for driving) that I can adapt, plus some custom switching gear to put the cockpit controls where they appear to be in-game (which will be modular to account for differing cockpit layouts).
I have no idea if will all hang together but who cares? Building it will be a hoot :)
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Wednesday 14th May 2014 07:52 GMT Joseph Lord
Power draw? Noise measurements?
What is the idle power draw? And under load? Noise measurements at both?
This would be most interesting to me as a small powerful server including tasks such as running builds and tests for software under development not just file serving so having a low idle power draw would be important.
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Wednesday 14th May 2014 12:38 GMT Jeff 11
Gaming at 4K? Really?
Even the most modern, high specced dual SLI/Crossfire PCs can't comfortably run modern games in 4K without reducing visual quality in other areas. There's no way Iris Pro - which has a small fraction of the rendering power of such systems - could possibly do the same unless restricted to graphically trivial games.
As for the XBox One, doesn't it still have problems rendering in 'just' 1080p?