NBN day of action fizzles as just 20 show at Turnbull's office

Re: Not surprised.

Some people say I'm apathetic but I just don't care......

Re: Not surprised.

Poor, poor baby.

Maybe there might be a few more tax payers out there than you imagined who have a better than average idea of the consequences of the public purse funding a facility less than 2.5% of the population (including those who don't pay tax) will ever agree to purchase without a further subsidy.

Oops, perhaps the tiny angst indicates you might be one of the frustrated subsidy seekers

A thousand pardons

Re: Not surprised.

"These are Australians you are talking about. The most apathetic, indifferent, uncaring, lazy mob of football-watching beer-swilling bogans on the planet."

I resent that comment! I do not watch football.

Re: NBN a fizzle

Years ago I tried to get access to Telstra's cable which ran outside my front door. I was told "No. We don't have a cable server in your area and we are not rolling out any more at this stage".

Now I am in a new area. There is no cable TV in my street. I am lucky to get 8Mbps from my ADSL 2+ and only get that because I discovered that the second phone line is not pair gain (Telstra told me I couldn't have ADSL2+ when I knew the previous owner had had it) because they were only looking at the "primary" line to my place. I was glad when I was able to switch ny services over to my current ISP. I am now paying the same amount I used to pay Telstra for the phone line but I get Phone and Internet.

FTTN NBN over the crappy copper I already have is not going to be much better than I get now. To give me the speeds they are "guaranteeing" they are going to have to replace the copper so why not replace it with Fibre and be done with it rather than doing half the job and having to pay 3-5 times as much down the track when it eventually has to be replaced.

Re: NBN a fizzle

> t's hard to get Australians to get excited about the NBN, when millions of us already have access to 100 megabit cable from competing telcos, but 87% of those passed by the cable choose not to access it at all.

Even harder when NBNCo reported that 47% of premises connected to fibre opted for the 12Mbps plan. These people won't notice a difference with FTTN.

Re: NBN a fizzle

"millions of us already have access to 100 megabit cable from competing telcos, but 87% of those passed by the cable choose not to access it at all"

you know what? armchair surveys of mine, show that my 20-30 something aged friends generally

- wouldn't know what overhead cable network looks like, and

- assume that the ABS boxes attached to the side of their rental house are power or something

- figure the 'telstra' or 'optus' labelled outlets in their house are for cable TV

- wouldnt know that there is any difference between an ADSL and a cable connection,

- so make their decisions around the generally more cost effective offerings from non-Telstra and non-Optus providers, which inevitably are ADSL

I'm sure one could argue that these uninformed folk make up the majority of people in the country (hence the 13% uptake of cable connection where available) but i don't think that public policy and infrastructure decisions should be made around whether private firms are doing enough to emphasise for average-Jane or Joe, that their Cable offering is going to yield more efficient home business, more effective communications, or faster cat videos. We need to make such decisions, knowing that it might be under-utilised (50% of people opting for 12Mbps) in the short term, but knowing also that it can easily be purposed to a plausible future task such as complete removal of radio-based television signals to free up more spectrum for mobile data, and purposed to streaming of 4k resolution (or greater) TV signals straight down the 'service guarantee' optic fibre to your door...

"2.5% are you daft?"

Yes, you are right, it is more like 1.5% What an idiot indeed.

Five families in the Northern Territory are connected to the fibre national broadband network, with Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull gleefully revealing the latest figures from the company he now oversees…

The Communications Minister told Parliament on Tuesday that only 322 families in the Northern Territory were capable of getting a broadband service on the fibre network and of those households, only five have connected…

In a speech that drew laughter and jeering, Mr Turnbull taunted Labor about its “switching on” ceremonies in which ministers would travel to the Northern Territory to haul fibre to dramatise the progress of the NBN… Former Communications Minister Stephen Conroy “went to the Northern Territory more often than there are active connections on the broadband network,” he said."

LOL

Oh, and the "20 billion dollar a year IT industry" already has access to fibre numbnut. Where I work we have had a fibre connection for going on 10 years. This is not about businesses, this is all about kids wanting to get their porn faster.

"How about the fact that this doesn't come from tax payers funds. It is borrowed money. "

There is no way in hell that NBN co will ever be able to pay back $50-90Bn at their current pricing/adoption levels. It is economic nonsense to suggest they can.

This means that at some point in the future the government will be forced to either write off its exposure to NBN Co or take it over as a government owned company, at which point we are back to the grand old days of the government owned Telecom monopoly. Either scenario comes at a massive cost to the taxpayer.

"how about you are a dumbass,"

You really shoudn't be calling other people "dumbass" & "idiiot" by the way.

"People want this."

There are people who want free stuff you say? What a shock. Most people who have surpassed the level of juvenile simpleton however realise that there really is no such thing as free stuff. Somebody somewhere has to pay the price.

What you and your ilk are annoyed about is that there are plenty of people out there who don't want to buy a fast Internet connection for you. How inconsiderate of them. Don't they know your Battlefield scores are suffering?

You're just a junior socialist who wants everyone else to subsidise your desire for da faster internets.

Pay for your own stuff junior. Don't expect me buy it for you.