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For what are no doubt very important artistic reasons and nothing whatsoever to do with financial considerations, James Cameron and 20th Century Fox have said they'll now be doing three Avatar sequels instead of two. A shot from Avatar The big blue movie helmers said that they're hoping to shoot all the movies simultaneously …

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  1. Jon Green
    Devil

    Translation

    "Hey, if they can turn the Hobbit into a three three-hour epic, we can make a fortune out of this!"

    1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
      Unhappy

      Re: Translation

      Don't mention the Hobbit! My bum is still numb, and I saw it months ago!

      1. frank ly

        Re: Translation

        What in the name of Smaug did they do to you?! Do you have any pics?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Translation

          > Do you have any pics?

          Beware. One dreadful glimpse of the red lidless eye, rimmed with fire and you will fall as one stricken mortally.

  2. Paul Dx
    Thumb Down

    This story was brought to you by the words "Predictable" and "Greed"

    1. JDX Gold badge

      It's as big a cash-in as Star Wars V & VI... disgusting.

      1. Intractable Potsherd

        @JDX

        Since, in my opinion, StarWars episode V: The Empire Strikes Back is the only good one of the six made so far, I am in the strange position of agreeing and disagreeing with you at the same time.

        However, there is no excuse for further Smurfs in Space films - if they are like the first one, then they will involve piss-poor, plagiarised versions of semi-good stories with less-than-cutting-edge animation.

        I will not be watching them at least until they come on TV, and probably not even then.

  3. jai

    three films??

    meh,

    meh

    and meh

    1. Forget It
      Thumb Down

      Re: three films??

      Three Duds?

      3D

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: three films??

        Three more smurfs films?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Devil

          Re: three films??

          Better yet, take the two Smurfs movies that are already out and re-release them as Avatar 2 and Avatar 3!!

          That way we get SIX Avatar movies for the price of 4!!

          (Sorry, my marketing genes kicked in there. .)

      2. Robert E A Harvey
        Coat

        Re: Three Duds?

        Ignoring the well-deserved 3D dig, I'd find it hilarious if all 3 were to bomb. Ha ha ha.

        1. I am the Walrus
          Happy

          Re: Three Duds?

          Then it would be a 3B and it would also be appropriate as they would be heading back to the drawing board.

          1. OSIX25

            Re: Three Duds?

            3D or 3B that is now the question - jeez must take my pills

  4. Locky

    A2 has already been released in the UK

    https://plus.google.com/u/0/114593821180864049910/posts

  5. Anonymous Coward 101

    Great

    It is tempting to view these as shameless cash-ins, but as long as these stories are as good as the Star Wars prequels, then I won't mind.

    Cinema, as an art-form, has still failed to better The Phantom Menace since it's release in 1999.

    1. Captain DaFt

      Re: Great

      " but as long as these stories are as good as the Star Wars prequels "

      Talk about setting a low bar! Is this what they call; "damning with faint praise?"

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Great

        "Messuh blue"

      2. Don Jefe
        Happy

        Re: Great

        Oh Navi! You are breaking my heart...

      3. Alan Johnson

        Re: Great

        I am stunned anyone can use the word good in association with the star wars prequels.

        Avatar has a dull predictable and cliched plot poorly acted. It was saved by stunning visual effects. This will be harder to pull off with every following film. If the plot and dialogue are as bad as the star wars prequels they will be truely awful films.

        Nothing says the sequels have to be poor but the omens are not good.

    2. Robert E A Harvey
      FAIL

      Re: Great

      Can I just say Jar sodding Jar sodding Binks?

      1. Hardcastle the ancient

        Re: Jar sodding Jar sodding Binks?

        .die.die.die.die ?

        1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
          Meh

          Re: Jar sodding Jar sodding Binks?

          Was I alone in thinking he would have looked good with a really long stripey woolen hat for the ears to be tucked into?

          Perhaps at the wheel of a Yellow cab?

          Just a thought.

          1. Robert E A Harvey

            Re: Yellow cab

            ...packed with thermonuclear warheads, on fire, heading for the sun, perhaps

            1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
              Happy

              Re: Yellow cab

              "...packed with thermonuclear warheads, on fire, heading for the sun, perhaps"

              Actually I had in mind 'ol Jar Jar cruising along with what some might describe as a "Cocklewell Carrott" between his lips.

              Yes, the plot needs a bit of development but I'm sure with a few million I can think up something for him to do for the next 100+ minutes.

    3. Intractable Potsherd

      Re: Great

      I'm not sure if you are joking, AC101, but I've downvoted you just in case your comments encourage Lucas et al to produce more in the same vein (though my hopes of anything good from the sequels are small ...)

  6. Thomas 4

    "with War of the Worlds' Josh Friedman onboard to write one film"

    I know which one he'll direct. It'll be the one with the little blue Naa'vi girl that SCREAMS AND SCREAMS AND KEEPS SCREAMING.

    Christ. I can't have been the only one hoping that she'd get eviscerated by the aliens. X_X

    1. OrsonX
      Happy

      "I can't have been the only one hoping that she'd get eviscerated by the aliens"

      Just once, it'd be so nice.

      "Veggiesaurus Lex, veggie..., no wait, it's a.."

      "aargh"

      chomp chomp chomp

  7. DrXym

    Avatar was a good film

    But I don't see much in the story to justify a single sequel let alone three of them.

    1. xperroni

      Re: Avatar was a good film

      I agree to the second part of what you said.

    2. Chris Parsons

      Re: Avatar was a good film

      Seriously? Have you ever seen another film? The graphics were good, that was it. Bland, US drivel. I still haven't forgiven my friend Roy for the hour I wasted - I couldn't bear any more - watching this bilge.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Avatar = "Pocahontas In Space"

    For those who have not yet seen this gem:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/04/avatar-pocahontas-in-spac_n_410538.html

    1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

      Re: Avatar = "Pocahontas In Space"

      "Dances with Smurfs" was used on El Reg recently, which sums it up...

      1. Maharg

        Re: Avatar = "Pocahontas In Space" & Dances with Smurfs

        Dances with Smurfs is the name of the South Park episode that takes the piss out of a number of things (mainly American Political rhetoric) including Avatar, the in fact, I would recommend watching that instead of Avatar, it has more humor, intelligence, intrigue, better acting and a more well-rounded content and exploration of human ideals and issues in that half hour of 2D animation then Avatar managed in 3 hours with millions of dollars.

  9. breakfast Silver badge

    Space Smurfs: IN SPACE!!!! ( 2 )

    More space smurfs. Good. I look forward to ignoring these films.

  10. Version 1.0 Silver badge
    Happy

    "even richer than I anticipated"

    Well, that pretty much says it all. I can't see why they bothered with script writers unless they are betting that there's a chance that one of them might come up with an original plot?

    Fat chance really - oh I'd love to be wrong about that but realistically I've had bowel movements with more exciting elements that James Cameron's films.

  11. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge
    Pint

    Target Audience?

    Are teen, pre-teen Americans.

    Any of those here?

    Thought not. Well that explains the negativity.

    Beer O'Clock

    1. Joe User
      Thumb Down

      Re: Target Audience?

      "Avatar" meets "Twilight"? Oh, now that's just f-ing brilliant....

      1. Steven Roper
        WTF?

        "Avatar" meets "Twilight"

        Oh fuck, that image just ruined the rest of my year.

        If this actually happens, I would hope very much that the Great Green Arkleseizure sees to it that James Cameron suffers the same fate as Grunthos the Flatulent, and for much the same reason...

    2. John Smith 19 Gold badge
      Unhappy

      Re: Target Audience?

      "Are teen, pre-teen Americans.

      Any of those here?"

      Hard to say.

      I have my suspicions.

      Some of you can be very childish.

  12. xperroni

    Truly there is no God

    And to think we'll never see any sequels to The Golden Compass.

    Philip Pullman is right after all.

    1. Don Jefe
      Happy

      Re: Truly there is no God

      We could always campaign to have Avatar considered a metaphor for Catholic Church's historical penchant for traveling to new lands and destroying any culture they find there. Seemed to work pretty well for derailing the Golden Compass movies...

      1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
        Big Brother

        Re: Truly there is no God

        "We could always campaign to have Avatar considered a metaphor for Catholic Church's historical penchant for traveling to new lands and destroying any culture they find there. Seemed to work pretty well for derailing the Golden Compass movies..."

        So Avatar is like "The Mission, " but without Al Pacino being thrown over a waterfall as an act of contrition?

        The Golden Compass plays down the religious aspects. It's there if you look for it but the Magisterium is a secular authoritarian state.

        As such it's only politics are those of oppression and obedience to The State.

        All else is sophistry.

    2. OrsonX

      Dark Materials

      Books were divine, made Barry Trotter look like a pile of Phantom Menace.

      The first film was pretty decent effort (although why they couldn't just stick to the books I don't know).

      These books had everything to make 3 spell-binding movies.

      What the hell is Hollywood doing?!

    3. Suricou Raven

      Re: Truly there is no God

      I don't understand why any studio would make even the first film. Did they even read the rest of the trilogy? If you tried to film and release those in the US, even toned down, you'd have a mob with torches and pitchforks turn up at the studio.

      They were able to almost entirely remove the religious parts from the first story. It left a few problems, like villains that lacked any apparent motivation for their evil deeds, but overall didn't make the plot impossible to follow. That might be possible for most of book two. But by three? The religious aspect *is* the plot. Take it out, and you've nothing left.

  13. TheOtherHobbes

    Is Roger Dean

    doing the design?

  14. Vince Lewis 1

    Personally I'd like a pre-quel

    I've long thought the Navi, their biology and their easily interfaced biosphere was so improbable as an evolved system it would have needed to be artificial.

    I think a prequel set a thousand years previous would a good idea.

    At this point Pandora was at a social/technological similar to modern earth not sci-fi, nor all harmonious. Just bumbling through existence, when all of a sudden a huge meteor smashes into the planet. After reeling from that blast, the joined forces of the planet find the meteor has taken root and an army of bio-technological warriors are starting to fight their way across their planet.

    Film ends in a last ditch attack against the invaders HQ/Life tree. The blast is enough to send the invaders into disarray and chaos, but eventually the native populous is wiped out by the rapidly expanding biosphere of the invaders.

    Always thought that would be a good wake up call for all those Avatards who think the Navi as something to aspire to.

    1. Don Jefe
      Happy

      Re: Personally I'd like a pre-quel

      The Navi are actually castaways from the Smurf B-Ark equivalent!

      In times long forgotten, those Smurfs who had abused their higher education system and received degrees which only burdened society were gathered up and sent to a distant planet. There they were able to continue their pursuit of sociology, art appreciation and native handicrafts while contributing nothing useful and without negatively impacting the lives or financial well being of the other hard working Smurfs who were left behind.

      After appalling loses from attacks by native wildlife and starvation from a failure to understand why there were no Smurfberry vendors on their new world, the Navi went feral and began a primitive religion based on nature worship and the deification of a tree. The newly emergent priestly class quickly took to interbreeding with their own offspring. Resulting in severe deformities and birth defects including gigantism, heightened visual acuity, severely limited mental capacity and a penchant for killing and necrophilia.

      As news of the Navi atrocities spread throughout the galaxy an army of Galaxy Police was assembled by the United States and sent to bring democracy and capitalism through planetary exploitation to the Navi. This is their story.

    2. Suricou Raven

      Re: Personally I'd like a pre-quel

      Here's my idea:

      That Unobtainium is good stuff. You think Earth is just going to leave alone? No, they are sending back a new ship, and this time going prepared. Not only does it have a real military force, but after the events of the first movie they know not to discount that 'spiritual' rubbish - there is proof that the planet has an interconnected neural network spanning species, and human technology is rather good at interfacing to neural networks now. After all, they can sync brains between a human and an avatar body.

      Sully has been living the life of a native for the last ten years, and now fits in as one of their own - his off-world origins almost forgotten. He is happy in this life, but for one flaw: Children. His body is still half-human, and infertile, a condition that adversely affects his relationship with whats-her-name from the first movie - family lines are very important to na'vi, and is inability to sire a future priestess is an insult to the community.

      One day Sully jacks into a tree, an is passed a vision by that transcended scientist woman, taken from the memories of a Na'vi from the area: The sky is falling. Great birds, trailing fire, dropped from the clouds. To the distant tribe this is a worrying and incomprehensable event - but Sully recognises the description of a spacecraft in reentry and landing. He knows that the tribe there knows almost nothing of humans - he is the sole Na'vi expert on them. So he and whats-her-name travel to this costal region to learn what is going on, and to defend Pandora if they must.

      On arrival they find that the humans have been more sensible this time. Aided by mapping data from the previous operation they have set up in a less tropical region, where the local wildlife is a little less dangerous. Further, they are mining offshore - a costal base serves as a dock, while giant dredgers scoop unobtainium from a seabed deposit. This is promissing: They won't need to expel anyone from their land. What's-her-name expresses hope that maybe coexistence is possible - but Sully is suspicious, and concerned that the deposit will eventually be depleted. Further, there are already signs of water pollution from the toxic refining process. Sully tells whats-her-name the basic base layout.

      Further strange activity is noticed too. The animal life is acting strangely. The locals report that the trees are giving them strange visions. Sully investigates this by jacking in himself, and sees strangely familiar things: Human writing, pictures and symbols. Things that have no place on Pandora. Still spying on the Humans, Sully, What's-her-name and one of the locals are caught and taken into the human base. Sully plays dumb, pretending to be a technologically ignorant native so he can try to observe inside - he sees scientific equipment through the windows, computer banks, screens displaying MRI data and networks and a bank of avatar interface tanks on his way to a holding cell before someone notices his extra fingers. This confuses the humans - they see an avatar body, recognise Sully, but say they have none themselves and ask where his tank is. Sully confesses that he no longer needs his human body, but this sounds impossible - he is dismissed as crazy.

      Sully escapes - not using his knowledge, for Avatar isn't that type of franchise, but because the three of them are able to cooperate to break out. As they flee, Sully witnesses something even stranger: A dredger dumps its load into a floating barge, before a whale-analog swims up to the surface and starts pushing it towards the human base. This triggers a crisis of faith for the Na'vi: If the animals are aiding humans, that means Enwya is on their side. How could the Na'vi be abandoned by their goddess?

      Whats-her-name cannot accept this, and nor can Sully: He has seen what humans do to a world. In a search for answers he attempts to make contact again with dead scientist - but this time when he jacks in, he is bombarded with noise and scattered imagery. Pictures of earth, chemstry, space travel, and through it all the sense of others - sensing him, reacting, chasing him down. Dead Scientist struggles through this chaos, but can only guide him to a key image stronger than the rest: A map.

      Sully, whats-her-name and a few escorts are guided to the ocean and swim down where the map says. There they find roots - a tree of souls, made of coral and concealed below the water. The locals say they knew of this place, but it is a most holy site and approached only on the rarest occasions. The humans have found it already: Technology covers the natural formation, with cables running undersea towards the human base. Now he understands.

      Humans learned to control an avatar body. Now they no longer need one. They can be the animals. They can be the planet itsself. This time Enwya isn't going to come to their aid - she is too overwhelmed by the humans now hooked up.

      Before the team can consider disconnecting the device, an ambush of very hostile wildlife arrives to claw and catch them. The local human defenders. The team escapes, barely - but as they look back they see the place heavily guarded by pandoran crabs.

      Now things escalate. The local tribe are first disbelieving, then outraged at this sacrilidge. A war is declared - but Sully knows they cannot win this time. They defeated a mining operation before, but barely, and only with aid they won't have a second time. Now they are up against a full military force. Worse - flying drones are broadcasting a message: Hand over the human and avatar, or face destruction. No more nice hippy humans now: They are in a state of war.

      Whats-her-name asks to trust in Enywa. Sully realises this could work - and Dead Scientist tells them how. Enywa is overwhelmed with alien thoughts - mining plans, ore transport routes, the idle background of the operators as they think of home. But that could go both ways. As war is launched (The locals riding into battle on giant mantas), a daring operation is carried out to capture one of the crabs and link Sully to it before the operator can disconnect. Contact established, Sully is able to use their own tech against them - disrupting the control system long enough for a whale to bite through the undersea cables. Even then the battle goes badly, with human weaponry slicing the incoming Na'vi before they can get close - but whats-her-name sees an opening. Flying overhead on her lizardbirdthing she dive-bombs, making an abrupt landing inside the base in the area Sully earlier told her was the environmental room. She doesn't know tech, but she can break things - pulling pipes, smashing controls, stabbing her spear through panels and tearing tanks apart. With the base now flooded with Pandoran air, the humans have no option but to set the auto-destruct and run to their shuttles.

      Say is saved, humans defeated, Sully and whats-her-name once again hailed as heroes. Oh, yeah - they find an orphaned na'vi to raise too. Everyone is happy.

      Cameron: If you use that, I'll settle for even a tiny 0.1% royalty - that's still a lot of money to me. And I want that gross, not net - I'm not stupid.

      1. Isendel Steel

        Re: Personally I'd like a pre-quel

        Sounds like a movie, trouble is it's now on the interwebs, and could be tweaked. Perhaps you could submit it before t gets poached ?

  15. Eradicate all BB entrants

    After watching the start ....

    ...... of Camerons descent into trite crap (Titanic, ex-wife made me watch it .... and yes it could be the reason the ex is in there) there was no way on earth I was paying to see it at the cinema. Saw it on film 4 eventually. Glad I did, makes Howard the Duck seem like a cinematic masterpiece.

    3 more is just unforgivable

    1. Haku
      Coat

      Re: After watching the start ....

      Hey! Howard The Duck was a cinematic masterpiece, it proved George Lucas could make a film better than the Phantom Menace (although only marginally)

      1. GitMeMyShootinIrons

        Re: After watching the start ....

        The only way you could improve Howard the Duck would be to include Jar Jar Binks.

      2. John Smith 19 Gold badge
        Unhappy

        Re: After watching the start ....

        It proved George Lucas could make a film better than the Phantom Menace (although only marginally)

        So much processing power, so little creativity

  16. Spoonsinger

    Might be nice to ask Alan Dean Foster to do one....

    although that might lead down the Harlan Ellison route if played wrong.

    (ps actually I thought ADF's "Aliens" novelization was quite good - he did the best he could with the script material and regardless of what the 'Cam' said about his disliking of the novelization, that isn't really a good reason to rip off ADF's Midworld novel and then say the Aliens novelization was rubbish - and saying he wouldn't dream of ripping off some writers work).

  17. John Savard

    Cost Savings

    Clearly, filming three movies at once will save money compared to filming them one after the other. So this is sound economics, provided one is confident all three sequels will actually be popular when shown in theatres.

    1. Don Jefe
      Thumb Up

      Re: Cost Savings

      It also helps keep the narrative consistent with the same actors and overall 'feel'. I like the idea of filming all the movies at once.

      The only downside I can see to it is that the huge upfront investment means that the marketing and tie-in products can be overwhelmingly pervasive. Kind of like the product placement satire in Spaceballs, except not satire.

    2. Suricou Raven

      Re: Cost Savings

      The second will be cheaper, because it's a CG-heavy movie. A great deal of the data is reuseable - character models, rigging, etc. Remember these aren't your little FPS game models we are dealing with - they use muscle modeling to make sure they move realistically, crazy-high resolution, and surface models that include the effects of pores and sub-surface anatomy. Each one represents weeks of work.

  18. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Spreading one lame boring plot over three films? not even Peter Jackson would do that...oh erm....

  19. hEdly

    what are you talking about

    but those three movies that those other directors directed were so good </sarcasm>

    I can't wait for more tree hugging, global warming alarmist crap from Cameron. Maybe he'll bring in Samuel L. Jackson and Susan Serandon to top it off!

  20. Big-nosed Pengie

    Gods - they couldn't be worse than the first one could they?

    It takes real talent to make something so god-fscking awful.

  21. PhilipN Silver badge

    Business 1.01

    It is not about the movie business.

    It USED to be about the toy business.

    Now it is about the VIDEO GAME business.

    Meaning : Time to create platforms for Avatar: The Video Game II, Iii, IV etc etc. ..... Etc

  22. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Didn't see Avatar 1, why spoil a good record?

    The most I've seen of the Avatar film is promo reels in the TV dept at the local store.

    The franchise holds zero appeal to me.

  23. tempemeaty
    Thumb Up

    I like to call them...

    ...Smurf-cats.

    I just hope Cameron gets this out of his system with this triple-shot so he can move on with new cool stuff.

  24. GitMeMyShootinIrons

    I was going to compare this to The Matrix...

    But at least the first one was a decent film.

    1. D@v3

      Re: I was going to compare this to The Matrix...

      I don't get the comparison, The Matrix was great, but they didn't make any sequels...

  25. madestjohn

    Only one hope

    Is that they bomb so spectacularly that the horrible trend of dark fuzzy desaturated 3d crap goes down with them.

    And maybe Mr Cameron, the biggest dick to work for in hollywood, goes back underwater where his dickishness can actually be of some use to humanity.

    1. Suricou Raven

      Re: Only one hope

      You can say many things about Avatar, but 'desaturated' is not one of them. It is the hawaiian shirt of movies.

  26. Tanuki

    Blue?

    Blue is just so totally not an animal-colour.

    No doubt we'll have the trailing-edge of humanity wetting themselves over this.

  27. rcorrect
    FAIL

    Rise of the Planet of the Apes?

    See icon.

  28. Julian Taylor

    Conincidence? I think not ...

    Just as Smurfs 2 comes out we get Dancing With Smurfs 2 announcement?

  29. PassingStrange

    Not convinced

    Avatar made its bucks on novelty. And on special effects. And above all by charging a whopping premium for 3D. Its story, unfortunately, was pretty hackneyed and in some ways horribly formulaic after the event - I've tried to watch it twice in 2D since I saw it in the cinema, and given up both times, and that's not a good sign, because normally I'll sit through just about anything. Plus it's already nearly four years since it came out - there can't be all that many people, frankly, who remember enough about Pandora or the characters to care greatly one way or the other. Sure, I suspect the first new film will have enough momentum left from the success of the original to do at least tolerably OK, provided it's not downright awful - but a trilogy? That second film better be in a class of its own, or numbers three and four are going to sink without trace. And, personally, I'm not sure I'll be shelling out a 3D premium to see even number two until I've seen enough good reviews to make me think it's worth it.

    Colour me, overall, a highly dubious blue.

  30. thegrouch

    It's all about the money, money, money etc

    Hollywood has found it's magic formula, gone are the days of decent films. It's all about the big, shiny 3D these days, lots of colour, explosions and more explosions. Just look at what's made money over the last few years. Would you call any of these true classics?

    Avatar - $2.7bn

    Titanic - $2.1bn

    Transformers 3 - $1.1bn

    Pirates of the Caribbean 3 (and 4) - $1bn

    Alice in Wonderland - $1bn (how did this POS make this much?)

    1. Suricou Raven

      Re: It's all about the money, money, money etc

      Clearly piracy is destroying the movie industry.

  31. druck Silver badge

    More crap money making ideas

    How long before Avatar vs Predator or Aliens vs Avatar

  32. kyza

    Why oh why didn't the mining company take the advice of a certain Corporal Hicks about taking off and nuking the site from orbit?

    Dances With Giant Smurfs 2-4 - great.

  33. Bill Cumming
    WTF?

    You Big Blue pile of Frakin' Shtako!!

    That means it's gonna be another 5 years before we get to see Battle Angel Alita on the big screen!!!

  34. Maharg
    Meh

    The Matrix?

    As said before, Dances with Smurfs, (Sorry Avatar) had an well-trodden dumb story that was made even stupider (Mining for “Unubtainium” anyone?) yet was well covered up (excused) by really good looking special effects, I was impressed, but the idea of making part 2 & 3 reminds me of the time I was more impressed, it was when I went to the cinema to see the Matrix.

    When the Matrix was realised back in 1999 it had a much better re-hash of an overused story, but at least they took it to the extreme (as we used to say in the 90s) in terms of the idea, and yes the double gun slow mo was straight out of John Woo films like the Killer and Hard Boiled, but as I said, they took it to the ‘extreme’ (Rad).

    What they then failed to do was realise that the same audience that was blown away the first time they saw the camera panning around the person in mid-air just before she kicks the cop in the chest was no longer going to be as blown away as much, and even though the Matrix left it open for a sequel with the ending they thought the way to go was ‘bigger & louder’ which is what the audience expected, so you saw the Matrix 2 & 3 and thought, well it looked pretty good, but then it was supposed to, and now the effects just look cool rather than amazing, and since that was what they focused on, the story was tosh.

    So now the Matrix sequels are judged by many to be ‘bad’ films, however if the same films had been viewed the other way (3rd ist -1st last) as prequels, people would say, ‘well the third didn’t look as good or have as much stuff blowing up, but it had more depth to the story and showed how good the scriptwriters are’.

    As with the Matrix, I fear FernGully: The Last Blue Rainforest (Sorry Avatar) will go for the dumb audience ‘wow’ factor, and the audience will go, ‘well, yeah, it’s supposed to look good, now give me a story to keep me interested in this for 3 hours’.

    Unless of course the producers watched the Hobbit recently, in which case we may get an action packed decent length content driven film

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