Robot cop called in after MAD BONGER blown up in LIQUID MARIJUANA EXPLOSION Police in Colorado Springs were forced to call in robotic assistance last week after a devastating explosion - apparently caused by a man preparing super-strong marijuana oil - struck the city. Cops were alerted to the crisis following the blast, when a man - apparently in roughly the same condition as a Disney cartoon …
@ someone talking about Fat Freddie - it was always the cat that got burned - one of the best cartoons was Fat Freddies cat falling several stories whilst saying "it's okay we always land on our feet" then the next panel shows the cat with concertined legs as he landed - classic - i laughed so much i dropped the bong, shoved my head in the bucket bong and swallowed all my stash in one go.
At least i could cope with it all those years ago - 30 years on and even passing a resinous pine tree gets me stoned.
As any fule no butane has an unpressurised boiling point of way below room temperature so all he needed to do was leave it until all the dangerous stuff had naturally gone away in a well ventilated room...
After that you can roll some dry cigarette type tobacco in the oil and it ends up resembling the damper rolling type tobacco...
Apparently...
this would be done with acetone which has a higher boiling point and lower vapour pressure so you kinda have to cook it off. Bit harder to get your hands on decent acetone these days, given how useful it is in the narcotics industry, so I bet muppets like this are using excitingly volatile butane but following the exact same directions as were originally given for acetone.
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AC's comments might seem harsh for your average stoner carrying a Wishbone Ash album, but these idiots were metal thieves carrying a machete - of the type that think nothing of causing costly damage and inconvenience for a few dollars worth of copper:
>Reuben Miller, the owner of nearby Aacme Transmissions, said he confronted the man near the business on Mount View Lane shortly after noon because he recognized him from surveillance footage taken Sunday.
In that footage, Miller said, the man was allegedly seen cutting cords from a washer and dryer outside the business and leaving with them.
"I said, 'You are stealing my stuff,'" Miller said. "He said, 'I don't have time for you. I'm going to the hospital,' and pulled out a machette."
Miller said he punched the man, who also had a hatchet, once or twice. The man eventually continued up Mount View Lane toward Nevada, he said.
Machetes on civilized streets says it all. Just goes to prove how out of touch the pro-drug lobby is. These drugs warp user's minds and cause them to carry around weapons like machetes on the street, partly to protect themselves from other users. The problem is it often only takes one inhale of cannibis to turn an otherwise normal person into a violent rage.
The problem is it often only takes one inhale of cannibis to turn an otherwise normal person into a violent rage.
I'm sorry, but what? The usual effect of 'one inhale of cannabis', assuming you inhaled enough to actually get you high, would be to giggle a bit, and possibly fall asleep. I don't think I've ever known a cannabis user to become violent from using cannabis alone. If anything, the effect of smoking too much is to turn an otherwise normal functioning person into a boring and unproductive lump.
Now, if you want to see drugs that would turn an otherwise normal person violent, I would suggest one of the following:
- Alcohol (but probably only if the person already has violent tendencies)
- Amphetamine (again, probably requires pre-existing violent tendencies)
- PCP (not that it's so popular, or easily available AFAIK)
- Methamphetamine
- Cocaine (more likely to turn someone into an arrogant and annoying prick than actually turn them violent)
- Crack cocaine
Of course, if you knew anything about the effects of common illegal substances, or about psychopharmacology, you wouldn't be suggesting that a substance with the primary effects of being a mild euphoric and mild hallucinogen in large doses can turn people violent.
Of course, if you knew anything about the effects of common illegal substances, or about psychopharmacology, you wouldn't be suggesting that a substance with the primary effects of being a mild euphoric and mild hallucinogen in large doses can turn people violent.
I'm no expert either (never been near the stuff, and have no plans to do so in the future either), so what drug would cause someone to make statements like that? :)
I'm no expert either (never been near the stuff, and have no plans to do so in the future either), so what drug would cause someone to make statements like that? :)
"I don't know what I'm talking about, but I sure can hold an opinion anyway!"
FYI, the principal active ingredient in cannabis is a compound known as tetrahydrocannabinol, the principal pharmacological effects of which are listed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabinol#Effects
Also, to respond to your question of what drug would cause me to make the statement above; currently the only drug I have ingested today is caffeine. Whilst I was a student, some years ago, I may have experimented with other substances, which does offer some balance to my perspective. Whilst I was at university, I also gained batchelors and masters degrees in chemistry, so, unlike you, I am qualified to hold an opinion, rather than just parroting any old rubbish I happen to have read.
I think I remember reading that stat about a single inhale causing violent behavior from a newspaper, it was either the local paper or the daily mail. I'll concede the point given I don't remember the exact source.
But still if cannibis wasn't highly dangerous it wouldn't be illegal. They don't just ban stuff for the hell of it. You hear all the time about these users prowling the street looking for their next hit. And when they can't get it they lash out, possibly (although we don't know this for sure) bolstered by the violent effects of the drug itself. Then in addition we have addicts all over the place getting strange ideas from the drugs that don't fit in with the way society should be. I mean look at that woolwich murder for example, how can we justify that?
NomNomNom, At this point, I would like to conclude that you are trolling. Reading of some of your past posts makes me doubt this however, so I shall address each of your points in turn.
I think I remember reading that stat about a single inhale causing violent behavior from a newspaper, it was either the local paper or the daily mail
Firstly, you can't remember where you read it, and the sources you quote that it might have come from are an unspecified local rag, or a paper with a less than reliable reputation for unbiased reporting of the truth. Remember which paper it was that was very supportive of the German National Socialist Party in the 1930s, and hasn;t really changed its editorial stance since.
If you are going to make assertions about the effects of drugs, then I think it is perfectly reasonable to ask for an authoritative source on the matter; for instance an academic paper, properly peer reviewed without the bias and selective reporting you will get from a newspaper.
But still if cannibis[sic] wasn't highly dangerous it wouldn't be illegal
There are a lot of reasons something could be declared illegal, other than its being dangerous. This argument is a complete nonsequitur. Furthermore, I suggest you read up on history of cannabis becoming illegal (in the US, this was as late as the 1930s, IIRC), including the geopolitical reasons for doing so, which are not entirely unrelated to competition between hemp and cotton growers.
You hear all the time about these users prowling the street looking for their next hit.
No, I don't. Seriously, I have NEVER heard of a cannabis user, 'prowling the street' looking for a 'hit'.
And when they can't get it they lash out, possibly (although we don't know this for sure) bolstered by the violent effects of the drug itself
Don't know for sure, or don't know at all? Again, I have never heard of this happening, even anecdotally.
Then in addition we have addicts all over the place getting strange ideas from the drugs that don't fit in with the way society should be.
Firstly, cannabis has never been shown to be an addictive drug. If you don't believe me, investigate this for yourself, rather than simply believing any rhetoric you read. Secondly, who is to say how society 'should be'? Not you, I seriously hope.
I mean look at that woolwich murder for example, how can we justify that?
Indeed, how also can we justify Rwandan genocide, bailing out the bankers, the unabomber, and any number of other bits of human nastiness that bear no relationship whatsoever to the matter in question?
But still if cannibis wasn't highly dangerous it wouldn't be illegal. They don't just ban stuff for the hell of it.
That was DuPont fearing that the hemp-based paper would 0wn the market vs. his inferior wood-based paper, which was harmful as he had the patent for said wood-based paper production.
See? Patents have been indirectly ruining the world decades before Apple's dick-wavering party and patent trolls.
Oh goodness. If it were harmful it'd be banned. Like tobacco and alcohol are? It's not been illegal for that long, and you may have noticed a lot of places are decrimalising it. I live in the Netherlands, and I pay 15 euro a year to my local council for the right to belong to a private coffeshop. Coffeshop pays rates and taxes, life is good.
There are a variety of reasons why pot was/is banned. Hoover hated it, it was/is a handy racist policing tool (see imprisonment rates for blacks vs whites for same charges), cotton growers HATE hemp, so banning the flowers are a handy way of controlling the plant. Oh, and pot smoking tends to make you more content and thoughtful, not something our lords and masters would encourage. Plus it's very hard to tax (as compared to booze and tobacco) as it's about the easiest plant in the world to grow.
The LD50 (that's the dose at which 50% of people die, and is usually expressed in multiples of usual dosage) for cannabis is _estimated_ at 20,000. As in, you would need to smoke 20,000 1 gram joints to potentially die. Probably from carbon monoxide poisoning :)
Compare that to LD50 for alcohol, tobacco (smoking I assume, eating tobacco is pretty deadly) or even water. Easier to give yourself a heart attack through salt imbalance from drinking water than stone yourself to death.
Like opioids, we have naturally occuring cannabloids in our body. That's why we've got receptors in our brains for them.
The one hit and you goes loco is the synthetic stuff. Which can be any concentration of a multitude of chemicals. The synthetic cannabis compounds are usually full agonists, whereas THC is a partial agonist. So THC will partially activate a cannabolid receptor (making you happy or mildly trippy), and the recpetor will stay partially activated for several hours. A full agonist flips the receptor completely on (possible major hallucinations etc) and resets quickly (15-30 minutes). It's pretty scary stuff, and I started growing my own in the UK since all the street stuff was usually "topped up" with synths as well. Synthetics have weird effects on me (ringing in ears, curling up in a ball crying) wheras pot makes me calm and happy.
So you get people using what they think of as a very safe compound, when it's more like a cross between crack and LSD. Not cool, the only good thing I hope comes out of this is that maybe society would prefer stoners to be calm rather than nutty.
As for users "prowling the streets" go back to the Daily Hate. I mean really? You seriously believe those people stumbling around, yelling at phantoms and being violent are pot heads? Not alkies? Or the slight possibility that they're a poly drug user, which means they like zee pot to calm down. Hence angry without their "fix".
I've only ever been attacked or threatened by drunks. Walk through your local city centre at 2am on Saturday morning, and make a guess as to which drug most of the fucked up people are on. It's not pot. Booze and uppers = fighting.
Little lost on the Woolwich murder. Are you saying the pot turns people into terrorists? When they had no inclination before? Because an awful lot of people smoke pot and manage to not stab anyone. We spend 500 million quid a year policing a pretty much harmless (compared to booze and tobacco) drug. Can we continue to justify that? Hell, we spend about 6 billion a year as a result of alcohol, it's the second highest preventable cause of death (and it only got knocked off the top spot by obesity in the lat few years). How can we justify alcohol being legal?
There are crazy people who take drugs. Very few people take drugs and go crazy.
The most dangerous thing about cannabis is that it is illegal. It's low harm level also weakens the belief in that things are banned because they are dangerous. If the law puts cannabis and meth in the same category, then surely someone is going to use your logic and say "Well, if pot is OK and illegal, therefore all other illegal drugs are also fine".
Now I'm off for a coffee and a few hits off the vape.
There are crazy people who take drugs. Very few people take drugs and go crazy.
That's not what the research says:
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673607611623/abstract
If you like it and are happy with the increased risks to your sanity and health, then bully for you, but don't sit up here passing judgement upon others who object to people breaking laws, by making bullshit statements.
Actually, it IS what the research says. That abstract says that the review of previous studies found an increased proportion of mental health issues amongst cannabis users of 1.41, with a 95% confidence.
To put this in laymans terms, if 1 in 1000 non-cannabis users is a psycho (and this is probably an overestimate), then 1.41 in 1000 cannabis users is. In other words, around one in 2,500 people who take cannabis go crazy. In reality, the proportion of people suffering from severe psychosis is probably much lower, so this figure also would be lower.
QED: very few people who take cannabis go crazy.
Research for other drugs may show other results...
The real problem is that you can distort anything with statistics, particularly when it makes for good headlines, eh?
"previous studies found an increased proportion of mental health issues amongst cannabis users of 1.41, with a 95% confidence."
Other studies have suggested that cannabis is not causing the mental issues, but that people with a tendency to mental issues are attracted to the stuff as a means of self medicating, as it calms them and temporarily improves their social skills.
Another interesting point would be whether the increase in mental cases among cannabis users is caused by cannabis itself or by contaminants added to cannabis to make it stronger, more difficult to detect, easier to consume... If this was the case, then it would be the Cannabis Prohibition -and not cannabis itself- indirectly causing mental health issues.
On a side note, cannabis was perfectly legal in my country - sold by drug stores over the counter and kept in hospital pharmacies- till the beginning of the fifties. It was used to alleviate PMS and chronic pain and it was cheaper than Aspirin, and with less secondary effects, and nobody saw a problem with that. And then Uncle Sam began its War On Drugs Crusade and Franco's government duly obeyed its masters. Sigh...
"The problem is it often only takes one inhale of cannibis to turn an otherwise normal person into a violent rage."
Always interesting to see those who's ignorance is largest feel the need to publicly display that ignorance and not even realise what a total cock they are making of themselves.
"They were smoking pot, they don't deserve a death sentence."
Sure... Blasting the neighborhood, going for a stroll with a machette, trying to rob people... The mark of fine citizens.
If they removed themselves from the gene pool in their attempt, I won't have shed a single tear.
Ahhh the cannabis cook book - that's where I got my recipe for this sort of fun. You can turn low grade weed into high grade oil. That was twenty years ago, and my mum still hasn't forgiven me for some of the issue that I had.
Annon, well I do work for a place that might not like this sort of thing....
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Indeed!
I've developed a kit that allows you to convert your Rodenator into a high efficiency bong with a maximum capacity of 50gm of canabis.
The beauty is the rebreather system which not only handles any smoke left in the device, our nearly silent exhaust system allows you to exhale smoke back into the device where it is pumped into the rodents lair. The exposure to the smoke stimulates the rodent brain to produce an exaggerated feeding desire. Allowing you to use traditional traps with nearly any sweet or salty bait to capture them. The rodents are humanely destroyed using your method of choice and you can rest assured the animal will be slow and docile.
1. You use bud not leaves when extracting something enjoyable. Use leaves and you get tar suitable for calking and old wood boat; same effect on your lungs. Uggh.
2. With a sufficient amount of butane in the air to explode these two were probably on a "solvent" high before they spliffed up. Doubly dangerous for f**king up especially for the IQ challenged.
3. Chemisty education in the States must be getting as crap as here in the UK; us old school types know about double boilers and to use a noncandescent heat source like an electric hot plate (OK hard to find a power outlet in the woods).
Flame icon for obvious reasons.
It seems they recommended petroleum ether for the best quality extraction.
Which I gather makes Butane look safe by comparison.
If you had a low BP organic fluid to get rid of you could a)Bubble gas thorough the mix to improve the evaporation or you could lower the BP further with say a water pump.
Naked flames are probably best avoided as well.
Remember kids the real danger of Marijuanna is not that it cold lead to harder drugs.
It could lead to carpentry.
"gases emitted from the oil can build up in the surrounding volume to form an explosive fuel-air mix of the sort used in military "bunker buster" bombs...."
This should be corrected to say a "Daisy Cutter" or "MOAB". A bunker buster is a different munition type made up a depleted uranium or tungsten head to punch through reinforced concrete at high velocity and a tandem charge of explosive that detonates after penetration.
A Daisy Cutter or Fuel Air Bomb consisted of a large tank that was dropped over an area which ejects and spreads combustible fuel in a large area. Then once the bomb reaches a certain altitude it fires some flares to ignite the fuel air mixture causing a powerful explosion in a large area.
Whilst you can use thermobaric weapons against bunkers, as loosebruce points out, bunker busters are usually a 2 stage high kinetic weapon (the ones I've seen utilised a shaped charge at the front rather than a perpetrator). However, FAE works very well against caves. Seeing as it sounds more impressive that AQ are hiding in a fortified bunker complex rather than caves, I can see how this gets a bit of a crossover.
You can poke on wiki or Jane's to get more details, but there are plenty of FAE munitions for RPGs and 40mm grenades up to the Father Of All Bombs (good ol' Russian one upmanship there).
US and UK uses a bit of FAE, via hellfires.
The Ruskies use them a lot. Like designing pump-action grenade launcher specifically for using FAE grenades for close quarters fighting. Or using FAE RPG for hostage "rescue". Crazy Ivan.
The science for FAE is it's maximising the surface area (fine spray/mist/powder) of a reactive substance, then igniting it, which uses the oxygen in the dispersed area to create a large area powerful charge, creating a blastwave. This explosion creates a large very low pressure area, which then causes a shockwave as the the low pressure area collapses. The shockwave is often much more damaging than the blastwave, especially to people.
It's the same principal that governs powder explosions at flour mills, coal mines (gases and powder), and some refinery and oil tanker explosions. It's often when the large storage containers are nearly empty, and perhaps when people feel they are safer then.
If you had a cool science teacher, they might have used this as a proof, when discussing rates of reaction. A tablespoon of flour does not burn readily in a lump, but dispersed onto a flame (by pouring it from about 4 yards above it) with be highly flammable. No doubt some youtube of this is around :)
Apparently, butane is the only solvent that doesn't dissolve all the non-psychoactive parts of the plant. You can use alcohol (isopropanol rings a bell), but that also brings a lot of other stuff, which makes for a harsher smoke.
Most people who make HBO, do it with the leaves and offcuts (trim) they have left over from harvesting the plant, where they have taken the buds off.
The method which seems safest, is to chop your trim finely (using a herb chopper) fill a cafetiere about 1/2 full remove the plunger, and inject the butane (make sure it's additive free - you don't want any nasties) till it covers the trim. Replace the plunger[1] and gently depress and leave for 5 minutes. Then pour the liquid into a glass bowl, and place that bowl into a bowl of boiling water (a bain marie). The butane will boil off, leaving a thick sticky honey-like substance. This can be dissolved into alcohol, for use. My preferred method is use an eye-dropper to dose a normal cigarette.
Obviously this should all be done outside, and well clear of any source of ignition.
First time I did it, I almost cried at the thought of all the trim I had thrown away.
I suggest you are very careful with this knowledge. It seems to be a bit too technical for some :)
[1]Make sure you don't have a metal-metal plunger assembly. No sparks !
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