Geert Wilders faces legal threats over footage copyright

Right Wing European preaching hatred...

That's a surprise...

Hate all Muslims...

Hate all Jews...

Hate all Slavs...

Hate all non-Christians...

Hate all non-Whites...

Thin end of the wedge, but since Freedom of speech is all a right, let's all promote him and support his right to preach hatred - like there isn't already enough hatred in the world.

Wilders is a failed civil servant

whom, being kicked out of the Dutch Conservatives for extreme right wing views decided to 'go it alone'. He is a moderately educated, populist politician trying to tap into the fear and paranoia of the uneducated and ignorant.

I am embarrassed and ashamed that he chooses to abuse the right to freedom of speech in order to polarise two groups of society and further his irrational, almost psychotic cause. He wants to demonise and subsequently ban a minority group, using the popular support of largely uninformed, low-income demographics.

Hmmmnn....where have we seen this before?

The real point is imigration and acceptance of your host countries culture and beliefs.

Wow that's a long title.

First and foremost I'm not a support of Wilders. However, one of the points he attempts to make is the integration of immigrants into host countries and his stand point that they should at least make an effort to uphold the traditions and beliefs of the country they intend to reside in. It is not the intention that people change religion.

If my wife goes to a middle eastern country, she can expect to be spat on, if she lets her shoulders show, or knees, or walks in public openly showing "intimate acts" such as holding hands. If we as foreigners can change our behaviour so as not to offend when we visit other countries, why is it so difficult to then expect the same from visitors to our country?

As a further note, I am not Dutch, I'm English but I live here now. I've taken the time to learn the language, follow the rules and pay tax. I am however constantly baffled by the number of foreigners living here who do NONE of the above, and then preach about freedom of their religious beliefs!

re: What debate?

I take it he will debate how all the religions are a breeding ground for ignorance and discrimination on a grand scale.

How the group moral standard as promoted in religions is absolving people from having personal moral standards.

How religion had its hands in every major conflict either directly involved or used as an excuse since the beginning of history.

Well either that or i forgot to take my medication today...

Re: Wilders is a failed civil servant

Eeh, that was me.

I withdraw my right to anonymity, I am ready to stand up and be counted on this one.

"The real point is imigration and acceptance"

What? like "You want fries with the Big Mac?"

We're almost a foreign country anyway.

We don't seem to own any of the old public stuff like energy supply or water.

We've sold most of the companies to venture groups and the like.

ISTR in the past we've hated the Dutch, French, Spanish, Germans, Turks, Indians. Oh and Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Moors,

Hey, you can't say we're not inclusive.

Copyright infrigment

With his list of copyright violations, I bet he forgot to pay royalties on any background music as well. I'm surprised the R.I.Ass of A. aren't in there suing him as well. Who cares if his violation is outside of the USA, it hasn't stopped them before.

My jackets the one with the "get out of jail free" card in the pocket.

Don't worry

We're not prejudiced, we hate everyone...

Mines the one with a picture of Mohammed on the back.

You first need to define FREEDOM

Yeah, thats the point. We keep talking about freedom, freedom of speech, thinking and bla bla. Freedom is not doing what you want if you are able to, because for example you are able to kill other people and you may want to do that for a reason or another, but you don't do that. If i am ugly and you think that i am ugly, you are free to think like that, but you are not free to say that to me, coz then it will be an insult, and if you still argue that you are free to say that to me, then don't blame the cannibals for eating humans and stop calling them savages.

I think the whole thing is about accepting the differences, in color, in language, in religion, way of thinking, traditions and........ i can keep writing till tomorrow.... We should all be able to accept that and stop hating each other

RE: Sean Aaron

Oh, so Christian fundamentalists blowing up abortion clinics make it alright for Islamists to fly airliners into the Twin Towers, bomb the Madrid trains, the London Tubes, etc, etc, etc? Anyone stupid enough to murder anyone because their religion says they can is, IMHO, a fruitcake that should be locked up for life, be they Christian, Muslim, eco-warrior ALF veggie or whatever. Anyone stupid enough to excuse one set of religious fanatics by saying "ooh, the followers of religion X are just as bad" is, IMHO, just as stupid and really should engage their brain before their keyboard.

Geert Wilders is a far-right nut, but "Fitna" says nothing new that hasn't been already said in much greater detail, just check the web. Just because Christianity has a nasty history it doesn't mean Islam is immune from criticism. Rather sloppy of him to use copyrighted material, but then his backers seem to have cash to burn so I expect he'll be able to meet the legal bills.

Let's end the "Special Relationship"

Hmmm.

"It's only the European population that's fearful and paranoid of Muslims? Who, may I ask, started this 'war on terror' and took Europe on a ride with it? Ahhh yes... that other half in our 'special relationship'."

Let's end the "Special Relationship". After all you Europeans are completely useless. NATO is little more than a European cheering section that's willing to fight to the last drop of American blood.

Look at Basra in Iraq. The Brits screwed up so much there that now American and Iraqi forces have to finish a job the Brits were to chicken to do.

Look at Afghanistan. Only a couple countries have actual fighting forces there. Most other countries need American soldiers to *defend their soldiers*.

What a crock. We've spent thousands of lives and trillions of dollars defending you and I'm frankly sick of it. A lot of Americans are re-evaluating this "Special Relationship" and are coming to the same conclusion.

To Hell with you all.

No more point in this discussion

I see that www.liveleak.com has withdrawn the video due to threats against their staff. I guess there was some reaction after all, and that reaction follows the well trodden path of intimidation and threats to eliminate something you don't agree with.

It just goes to show that there is at least some truth in what Wilders is saying.

I think you fail to see his point

You obviously haven't watched the interview he gave on television some time back (which btw is on liveleak) where he states that no he doesn't think all muslims are evil he just thinks that some of them are. This movie that everyone is getting so worked up over is merely a collage of footage and text of things already widely available. He has merely put these together so that we have a more complete picture of things. Granted putting all together "under one roof" is like drinking lemon juice from concentrate but it gets the point across. *NEWSFLASH TO ALL LIBERAL FUZZY WUZZIES! NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE YOUR FRIEND!*

History lesson: Hitler came to power. Hitler broke Versaills treaty. Europe gave in to his demands. Hitler became a bully. Europe said "oops" and spent the better part of 6 years and a lot of lives to fix their mistake. Does anyone else see a similar situation beginning to play out now?

@Sean Aaron

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said "so-called Christians", because you gotta wonder if they aren't just using religion as a coverup. Many people say they belong to a religion out of convinience, not because they actually believe it. I make no bones about the fact that I am a Christian, it doesn't make me perfect, it just means I have a different worldview from most of you.

@ all Anonymous Cowards

If you feel the need to bash someone at least have the courage to put your names to it. And if you haven't watched the interview and the movie shut up and watch them before you comment.

cheers all!

Er....

"It would be equally simple to create a film of so-called Christians who feel that assassinating doctors or blowing up health clinics is justified by their holy text and an equally unjust broad-brush..."

Except that's not really true is it, Sean?... very poor attempt at moral equivalence that failed at the first hurdle - scale.

The fact that every time Moslems encounter criticism or hear something they don't like, death threats/assasinations/rape/violence/murder/beheadings tend to ensue - is really failing to form patterns for some of you lot, isn't it?

@memomachine

Europeans are useless? We werent the ones who screwed up the "iraq adventure" by ignoring the generals and sending in only half the troops the generals recommended they needed. That was your boy rumsfeld. We werent the ones who decided to sack the entire iraqi army thereby meaning a few hundred thousand disillisioned sunnis were left with no money and ergo immediately ran off to join the insurgents.

Oh and another thing, its not our boys out there fighting that are useless, its you darn yanks. Your pilots are so useless they cant even tell the difference between an insurgent position and a british army armoured personel carrier. How many british soldiers have your moronic pilots killed. Get a grip

Threats force Liveleak to pull "Anti-Islam" film

The film in question can now be found at:

Geert Wilder's Fitna: English Language Version

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=42427935813490087

Alternatively Bitorrent users can download the torrent for the film at;

http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/4102738/Fitna_the_movie_-_English_-_AVI_and_FLV_format.4102738.TPB.torrent

or

http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/4102692/%5BAVI%5D_Fitna_by_Geert_Wilders_-_English.4102692.TPB.torrent

This attempt at Internet censorship by Islamist extremists has backfired

@Philip

You might not know this, as the mass media usually do not make such a big deal out of such events, but so called "Pro Lifers" in the U.S. of A regularly threaten people who work at abortion clinics, and sometimes follow up with the occasional drive-by shooting.

For some reason such acts are not recognized for what they are: terrorism, that is.

Regrettably...

...Geert Wilders does *exactly* the same thing that he accuses Muslims of: He takes a handful of sentences from the Qur'an out of context, and then uses these to sow hatred.

For the record: In the Netherlands, inciting racial hatred is a crime, punishable with jailtime. In a (not too) distant past, an extreme right MP got 6 weeks for having diffused a pamphlet against Jews. And I guess that if Wilders had been targeting Jews instead of Muslims, he would have been in jail by now. Muslims, it appears, are fair game...