Fork you, Oracle
MySQL founders launch MariaDB Foundation at Oracle
MySQL’s co-founders are combining forces against Oracle with an independent organization to further the MariaDB fork started by Monty Widenius. The MariaDB Foundation has been announced by David Axmark, Allan Larsson and Widenius with founding members also including SkySQL chief executive Patrik Sallner, the co-founder of …
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Thursday 6th December 2012 20:20 GMT Anonymous Coward
Quite.
Time for a clean break - before compatibility is lost. The ecosystem will quickly switch to the FOSS fork, just as it did with LibreOffice, Jenkins, etc. and the Oracle corporation can be left to slowly insert its ominous "propitiatory extensions" up its own rectum.
Cracking excuse to finally ditch that heinous MySQL moniker too.
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Wednesday 5th December 2012 20:53 GMT Havin_it
Re: Yet I can't help wonder...
Sigh... This again, eh?
Monty has exactly as much right to do and say what he has in relation to MySQL as you, I or Larry for that matter. I'd further add that I for one am actually glad it's him doing and saying it, because it needs doing and saying, and who better?
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Wednesday 5th December 2012 23:08 GMT Lars
Re: Yet I can't help wonder...
Perhaps, but as you can see it did not prevent MySQL to fork, I suppose you know why. As for Widenius he did not "help" start it, he started it. and the MariaDB Foundation sounds like something that might be more difficult to sell or buy than MySQL. Then there is later that "toy" thing regarding MySQL, but I hardly believe even Larry would consider 1bn $ "toy money", but who knows (I wish I could).
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Friday 7th December 2012 05:40 GMT MacroRodent
Re: Yet I can't help wonder...
> MariaDB is a fork of MySQL under the GPL.
Given that the original MySQL authors work on MariaDB, I wonder which of them is actually the fork here? Oracle may have the name and nominal copyright, but the spirit has managed to escape, thanks to GPL.
Shows that to ensure your choice is future proof, you should really use open-source software that is under GPL or other such strong license, even though they may not look "business-friendly" in the short term.
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Friday 7th December 2012 11:00 GMT Vic
Re: Yet I can't help wonder...
> I wonder which of them is actually the fork here?
MariaDB is the fork.
Monty sold his copyrights, then spent forever whinging that Oracle wouldn't change the licence he himself chose for MySQL so that he could sell it again.
> the spirit has managed to escape, thanks to GPL.
Indeed. I'm really rather pleased things have panned out as they have, I just object to Monty moaning that the GPL won't allow him to do closed-source derivatives.
Vic.
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Wednesday 5th December 2012 20:47 GMT Anonymous Coward
Content free.
“Improve database technology, including standards implementation, interoperability with other databases, and building bridges to other types of database such as transactional and NoSQL.”
Is it just me, or is this a self contradictory and meaningless statement?
I have always considered MySQL a toy, and I suspect MariaDB will be no different in this respect.
Dweeb
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Thursday 6th December 2012 07:24 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Content free.
Aside from the appalling grammar (willing to blame the journalist for that though), "other types of database such as transactional" implies that (a) MySQL is not transactional and (b) databases (by which I believe the speaker meant DBMSs) can be non-transactional.
I don't think either of these things are true.
MySQL got proper transactions with InnoDB IIRC.
Can anyone name a *real* DBMS without transactions
My "a self contradictory and meaningless statement" is an accurate statement.
Dweeb
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Thursday 6th December 2012 09:52 GMT Rob Carriere
Re: Content free.
(a) MySQL can be non-transactional (not all MySQL installs run on InnoDB) and
(b) Some of the NoSQL databases are non-transactional or have non-transactional modes.
So, both your a and b can be true.
I'm not going to get into a discussion of what makes a real DBMS, let alone a *real* DBMS, as that is a religious debate, not an appraisal of facts. For any given project, you have a set of requirements and any DBMS that meets those requirements is a "real" DBMS for the purpose of that project. Any attempt to classify DBMSes as real or not without reference to a project or class of projects invariably means the author assumes everybody's projects look like his. Equally invariably, this assumption turns out not to be the case.
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Friday 14th December 2012 09:38 GMT John Phamlore
I'm hoping that everything Widenius fears about Oracle comes true and Oracle starts enforcing the GPL license of MySQL with the same interpretation that Widenius had when he ran things. And I hope it sinks whatever commercial support MariaDB has accumulated up to that time.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.