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Google has quietly yet finally brought its cloud-based music service to the UK. It's part of Google Play, which is Google's continuing makeover of the scruffy Android Marketplace into a slick cloud storage and playback service for books and mags, movies and music. The magazine department isn't ready yet in the UK, but now the …

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  1. Matt C

    It's replacing songs with swearing with the radio friendly edits which is rather annoying. Spotify and iTunes do something similar apparently?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      > Spotify and iTunes do something similar apparently?

      Spotify doesn't as far as I know; the album versions are the actual albums versions, fucks and all.

    2. Tom 38
      Facepalm

      My favourite example of this on Spotify is from Cee Lo Green's The Lady Killer track 3, the wonderful ditty entitled "Fuck You". There are two versions of the album on Spotify, one with clean lyrics ("Forget you"), one with the original. The original sweary version is entitled 'F**k you', the clean version is entitled 'Fuck you (clean)'.

    3. Jason Hindle

      If you like your music sweary

      Then Spotify hits the spot nicely.

    4. poptart

      Just checked

      I don't know if its just with some tracks, but the previews in 'What the F^^k is Wrong With You People?' were not radio safe :)

      I'm not even going to list the others I listen to, it all goes downhill from there.

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      "It's replacing songs with swearing with the radio friendly edits which is rather annoying. Spotify and iTunes do something similar apparently?"

      Is it? I started the contents of my iTunes uploading last night, and I just had a quick flick through. Nothing seems to have been replaced, the songs that I checked included:

      The Sex Pistols - Bodies

      Tori Amos - Precious Things

      Emily Haines - Crowd Surf Off A Cliff

      Ministry - Breathe

      Venetian Snares - Posers And Cameraphones

      James - Laid

      Some of these songs would be impossible to censor, some easy. Radio edits certainly exist for some of them ("she only comes when she's on top" vs "she only sings when she's on top"). I haven't been able to trigger the behaivior that you describe. What am I missing here?

  2. ojconcentrate
    Thumb Up

    Fantastic Service

    *Fanboy alert!!

    I've been using Gmusic for a few months now (you could enable on your account but signing up with an IP from the USA, and from there it worked fine everywhere, except purchasing music). I feel its the best service since Gmail. I use it everyday. I never uploaded music from the mobile but from the PC it works great and how you organize your tracks online also works flawlessly. *Tip: make sure your tracks have a minimum of Artist, Album and Track name and number before you upload.

    The android app is also fantastic, the instant mix function is amazing. and the little things like gapless playback while streaming makes it pefect.

    And with all of that I don't have to keep a local copy of my music. Streaming everyday used about 1.4G on my data allowance which is not too bad but you can also keep a local copy of your favourite songs/playlists.

  3. Ben Rose

    Good idea, poorly executed

    I got quite excited about this. I don't often carry my iPod any more and the ability to convenienly access all the old music I ripped into iTunes was appealing.

    Sadly, it failed at the upload stage. Over 10,000 tracks failed to upload as they were ripped in a codec that Google Play Music doesn't support. I used Apple Lossless (ALAC) to rip my music, as I wanted to preserve CD quality for playback on my Sonos kit. Google Play Music can't handle this, neither can it handle AIFF or WAV. It seems to only be able to upload the lossy codecs used by people who download music illegally and/or don't care about quality.

    I asked a Google PR type on twitter who told me that it was a DRM issue, it isn't. I don't buy DRM protected media, these are just ripped CDs and there have been open source ALAC decoders around for years now. He then pointed me to tech support who took over 12 hours to respond by sending me a link to a technote I had already seen. It didn't answer my question.

    Back to Spotify it is. Seems daft that I pay them a monthly fee just to be able to listen to music I already own on CD.

    1. Grumpyrocker

      Re: Good idea, poorly executed

      It uploaded my CD rips just fine. They were stored on my PC as WMA Lossless. But yes it converted them to 320K MP3 in the process, but the uploaded catalogued and uploaded 6000 just fine. Took a while though. :-)

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Good idea, poorly executed

        How big is your music collection of 6000 song. It sounds like there was quite alot of matching going on, rather than uploading....

        Be interesting to work out your internet's upload speed, vs the time taken and the size of the music collection, and see what it matched and what it uploaded.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Good idea, poorly executed

      Hey fanboi, why use a proprietary codec like ALAC, when there is FLAC, which has way more support, including your precious Sonos and Google Play Music Manager...?

      Seems like you're blaming other people for your bad decisions.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Good idea, poorly executed

        Hey failboi, what's proprietary about ALAC?

        http://alac.macosforge.org/

        1. Mike Judge
          Stop

          Re: Good idea, poorly executed

          "The Apple Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC) is an audio codec developed by Apple and supported on iPhone, iPad, most iPods, Mac and iTunes"

          No nobody outside of Apple cares....

          1. toadwarrior

            Re: Good idea, poorly executed

            ALAC is an open source format and is supported on any platform that is of any value.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Good idea, poorly executed

          "Hey failboi, what's proprietary about ALAC?"

          Unless you've been under a rock for the last few years, Google and Apple aren't best bufds right now. Just because there are open source implementations out there doesn't mean that Google would feel safe going anywhere near any Apple "technology" through choice right now, I suspect :)

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            @AC 12:29

            "doesn't mean Google would feel safe going anywhere near any Apple "technology""

            Here's two thoughts about that:

            1) Apple licenses open-source ALAC under the Apache license, which says:

            "3. Grant of Patent License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, each Contributor hereby grants to You a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable (except as stated in this section) patent license to make, have made, use, offer to sell, sell, import, and otherwise transfer the Work, where such license applies only to those patent claims licensable by such Contributor that are necessarily infringed by their Contribution(s) alone or by combination of their Contribution(s) with the Work to which such Contribution(s) was submitted. If You institute patent litigation against any entity (including a cross-claim or counterclaim in a lawsuit) alleging that the Work or a Contribution incorporated within the Work constitutes direct or contributory patent infringement, then any patent licenses granted to You under this License for that Work shall terminate as of the date such litigation is filed."

            2) Webkit

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: @AC 12:29

              " @AC 12:29

              "doesn't mean Google would feel safe going anywhere near any Apple "technology""

              Here's two thoughts about that:"

              Yeah, I know, and you make a good point (thanks for doing the digging). However, Apple's respect for law isn't really that great, and their ability to steamroller the legal system with lawyergeddon of late still means that I'd have a hard time telling my boss "relax, there's this license which will stop us getting sued for billions", if I were a Google product manager. File under "shake hands, count your fingers". I still say that no matter what, it's totally understandable if Google don't want to voluntarily touch anything Apple with someone else's bargepole today, in the light of Events(tm).

              When they did the webkit thing, that was before Applegeddon started, too. Gloves are off now.

              It really boils down to someone not being honestly able to tell their superior that using a particular bit of Apple IP is absolutely safe, this time.. When there is this much at stake, and the litigants and courts are that corrupt, it's Interesting Times.

              1. Ben Rose

                @AC 13:48 Re: @AC 12:29

                "[anti-apple stuff]"

                Google Play Music integrates well with iTunes. It imports playlist, podcast and (some) music. It will even maintain the link so as you rip new CDs they automatically get uploaded to Google Music. They aren't scared to work with Apple stuff, they just clearly don't know how it works.

            2. GregC

              @Ben

              Genuine question...

              From Google's point of view, how likely is someone who cares enough about quality to rip to a lossless format to buy any music from them, when they provide their music in an inferior (from your POV) format? And if the answer to that question is "not very", which I suspect it is, then where is the benefit to them of providing you with this free service?

              1. Ben Rose

                @GregC - Re: @Ben

                "From Google's point of view, how likely is someone who cares enough about quality to rip to a lossless format to buy any music from them, when they provide their music in an inferior (from your POV) format? And if the answer to that question is "not very", which I suspect it is, then where is the benefit to them of providing you with this free service?"

                A good point well made.

                The answer is that I currently pay both Spotify and Napster for service that doesn't meet my needs. Neither can handle my existing music. Google Play Music can, I never expected to get it for free. Quite happy to pay for a service I receive, I'm no freetard.

      2. Tom 38

        Re: Good idea, poorly executed

        How to convert from proprietary fanboy codec ALAC to too cool for school FLAC:

        for x in *.alac ; do

        mv $x ${x%%.alac}.flac

        done

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Good idea, poorly executed

        What a childish comment.

        I also have my music library in ALAC, because I have iTunes and an iPod and like the quality of lossless music.

        I didn't realise that merely owning an iPod makes me a "fanboi".

        There are plenty of other 3rd party music services - like Sonos - that recognise it. As long as Google Play fails to do so it is not much use to me and a lot of other people.

      4. Ben Rose

        @AC Re: Good idea, poorly executed

        "Hey fanboi, why use a proprietary codec like ALAC, when there is FLAC, which has way more support, including your precious Sonos and Google Play Music Manager...?"

        I ripped all my music in mp3 (192 var) and wasn't happy with the quality or the tagging. I decided if I was going to do it again, I was going to do it properly.

        I know all you digital music n00Bs like to rave about FLAC but, back when I ripped, it sucked. Firstly, there was no hardware support. Actually, there still is very little support from any manufacturer. Almost no mp3 player on sale supports that codec.

        I wanted a lossless codec that supported all the tags I required, embedded album art and gapless playback. FLAC simply couldn't do this. Apple Lossless could and had greater device compatibility.

        I'm no Apple fan, never owned a Mac, never wanted an iPhone. The iPod (old, B&W screen) was a gift and led me to use iTunes. It worked. It worked well. I've never bought any music from Apple either, always CDs.

        Fair to say that a massive majority of the market is currently taken up by Apple devices. Those who own them and ripped their CDs are being offered a migration path to Google Play Music, they even give you an option to automatically upload new music you add to iTunes. Sadly this migration path doesn't work as it only supports a couple of codecs.

        I don't expect Google to store fall lossless rips, happy for them to transcode as they do for FLAC, but to not support codecs that have been around for donkeys years seems a bit short sighted and, from what I've seen searching the net, is losing them potential customers.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: @AC Good idea, poorly executed

          "I don't expect Google to store fall lossless rips, happy for them to transcode as they do for FLAC, but to not support codecs that have been around for donkeys years seems a bit short sighted and, from what I've seen searching the net, is losing them potential customers."

          FLAC halves the size of audio, at best. 320k mp3 is about 1/6th the size. It's a resources thing. Demanding lossless quality for free, scaled to Google magnitudes just seems a bit shrill and moon on a stick at this juncture, I'm afraid. Give it N years until bandwidth and storage dwarfs audio by another order of magnitude, and then maybe it will be a reasonable expectation. Right now, it isn't.

          Since you're obviously listening in a properly treated listening room with good quality monitors, or in a very quiet solitary room with open-backed cans, to actually merit this, surely you can afford to store your own stuff?

          1. Ben Rose

            @AC - Re: @AC Good idea, poorly executed

            "FLAC halves the size of audio, at best. 320k mp3 is about 1/6th the size. It's a resources thing."

            Indeed, ALAC is about the same size as FLAC.

            "Demanding lossless quality for free, scaled to Google magnitudes just seems a bit shrill and moon on a stick at this juncture, I'm afraid. Give it N years until bandwidth and storage dwarfs audio by another order of magnitude, and then maybe it will be a reasonable expectation. Right now, it isn't."

            Indeed, not demanding that. It should just transcode during upload, as it does for FLAC and apparently WMAL.

            "Since you're obviously listening in a properly treated listening room with good quality monitors, or in a very quiet solitary room with open-backed cans, to actually merit this, surely you can afford to store your own stuff?"

            Sure, but not on my Samsung S3. My lossless library is ~300GB. No mobile handset can handle that right now, hence my excitement in migrating the data to Google Music whilst maintaining my lossless library for home use.

      5. toadwarrior

        Re: Good idea, poorly executed

        ALAC has been open source for quite sometime now. If you're going to troll someone for selecting something Apple at least know what you're talking about.

    3. Mike Judge
      FAIL

      Re: Good idea, poorly executed

      LOL, I will give you a clue as to where the problem is...

      "ripped in a codec that Google Play Music doesn't support. I used Apple Lossless "

      Note the APPLE bit. You ripped all your music into a Apple proprietary format, and expect someone that's not Apple to care? I have recently come to the conclusion Apple owners are too stupid to understand the word "proprietary", and what the resulting problems are...

      You could of course ripped it into FLAC, and everything would have been fine. All Android devices like FLAC lossless, as does the music uploader...

      1. Ben Rose

        @Mike Judge Re: Good idea, poorly executed

        "Note the APPLE bit. You ripped all your music into a Apple proprietary format, and expect someone that's not Apple to care? I have recently come to the conclusion Apple owners are too stupid to understand the word "proprietary", and what the resulting problems are..."

        Could you be more anti-Apple? You just make yourself sound like a tunnel visioned fool? I don't like Apple either, but at least I'm level headed on this stuff.

        "You could of course ripped it into FLAC, and everything would have been fine. All Android devices like FLAC lossless, as does the music uploader..."

        Even Android FLAC support was limited until recent times. Of course, Android phones didn't exist when I ripped, I was on a Nokia Communicator back then. FLAC is nice for you digital music n00Bs though.

    4. Tim Parker

      Re: Good idea, poorly executed

      " It seems to only be able to upload the lossy codecs used by people who download music illegally and/or don't care about quality."

      It supports FLAC, so that's not quite true - I agree the lack of ALAC support is surprising from a technical point of view though.. perhaps not so from a commercial one (although there are pros and cons even with that).

      1. Ben Rose

        @Tim Parker Re: Good idea, poorly executed

        "It supports FLAC"

        But FLAC doesn't work in iTunes. Sure, it works in dozens of music managers that were created since then but, when I ripped, they simply didn't exist.

        1. Tim Parker

          @Ben Rose : Re: @Tim Parker Good idea, poorly executed

          "It supports FLAC"

          But FLAC doesn't work in iTunes. Sure, it works in dozens of music managers that were created since then but, when I ripped, they simply didn't exist.

          Ben,

          My reply was regarding the comment made that Googles music store only supports lossy formats (with some inference that that was something for pirates only, or similar) - I merely pointed out that wasn't true.

          As for FLAC and iTunes - it shouldn't be a problem. I have my primary music library on a NAS box in FLAC, as it's (and was) a useful loss-less 'encoding' for a number of platforms and has hardware support for the multi-room players I have (Logitech). It can be exported via an iTunes server, or pulled from the NAS into iTunes in OSX via fluke.

          I'm making no comment about what X or Y should have done, or what formats or platforms they should use - I use FLAC primarily, and have for a while, because it works for me.

          1. Ben Rose

            @Tim Parker Re: @Ben Rose : @Tim Parker Good idea, poorly executed

            "As for FLAC and iTunes - it shouldn't be a problem"

            They don't work together. FLAC is not a supported codec in iTunes...period.

            "It can be exported via an iTunes server, or pulled from the NAS into iTunes in OSX via fluke."

            iTunes and an "iTunes server" are two entirely different thing. Even Apple tried to kill the latter as it was implemented horribly on cheap NAS devices. The iTunes server function was built in to iTunes clients in an attempt to allow households to share their music in a read-only way. e.g. you rip your own music into your own iTunes library and, whilst your PC is on-line, other people can play music from that library. 3rd party iTunes servers will built to allow the same functionality to play music from NAS devices through the iTunes client. Last time I looked, it didn't work with lossless codecs - certainly not on my ReadyNAS.

            I don't use OSX, never have. I just use iTunes, as it was the best music manager available when I was given my original iPod.

            This evening I have converted my KLF and Prodigy albums to mp3 320 and uploaded them to Google music. It will have to do for now, until something better comes along.

            1. Mark .

              Re: @Tim Parker @Ben Rose : @Tim Parker Good idea, poorly executed

              So itunes doesn't support an open standard, and Google doesn't support an Apple format, and you blame Google?

            2. Tim Parker

              Re: @Tim Parker @Ben Rose : @Tim Parker Good idea, poorly executed

              "FLAC is not a supported codec in iTunes...period."

              Not natively - no, but then I didn't claim it did. Go have a Google for fluke and/or Xiph along with some or all of quicktime, itunes or flac.

              "iTunes and an "iTunes server" are two entirely different thing."

              Yes - I know. I was merely pointing out my setup. As it happens you can get iTunes to take notice of the server, but that's not what I do.

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Good idea, poorly executed

      ALAC? Crazy foo'. Should have used FLAC instead of a proprietary codec which no one apart from Apple will support. (Clue's in the name and all! ;)

    6. Craigness
      FAIL

      Re: Good idea, poorly executed

      "...failed to upload as they were ripped in a codec that Google Play Music doesn't support."

      Oh man, that's like totally Lame. If only there were some way to convert them to some format Google understands.

      "...there have been open source ALAC decoders around for years now"

      But as an alternative you could pay Spotify a monthly fee! I know Apple hardware is for people with more money that IT skills, but I didn't realise the same applied to their file formats!

      1. Ben Rose

        @Craigness Re: Good idea, poorly executed

        "If only there were some way to convert them to some format Google understands."

        I'm still looking for a way that will convert ALAC to another lossless codec and preserve all tags and album art. There are many tools that will create a FLAC version or similar, but they break the tagging.

        Also, I then lose iTunes support...and all my playlists break.

        1. Craigness
          Facepalm

          Re: @Craigness Good idea, poorly executed

          Ben Rose,

          Why not set the conversion program to store the mp3s in a separate folder and not delete the original tracks? This will keep Itunes intact and you can upload from the folder with the Music Manager program. Surely even on a Mac this can't be too hard. I doubt tagging can get very broken, and Google will add tags and artwork via music matching.

          1. Ben Rose

            Re: @Craigness Good idea, poorly executed

            "Why not set the conversion program to store the mp3s in a separate folder and not delete the original tracks?"

            Already a considered option, but then I end up storing two sets of my music files. Admittedly the cost of storage is peanuts these days, but it's more a convenience thing.

            "This will keep Itunes intact and you can upload from the folder with the Music Manager program. "

            This is the problem. It means that every time I rip a CD into iTunes, I will also need to convert it into something compatible with Google Play Music. Kinda defeats the object. They developed the upload manager to automatically monitor the music I rip into iTunes and upload it. If I have to rip it all twice, or once and convert, then Google Play Music offers me nothing. My phone already supported mp3. There were already Android iTunes sync tools available for those who used mp3 files. I thought this one would be different. I'm a huge Google fan. Love its tools, love its browser, love its phone. This tool just missed the mark completely, for me at least.

            If I have to store a separate mp3 library, I may as well just drag/drop those files onto my Android phone using USB. What I wanted was a tool to seamlessly sync between my iTunes library and my Android device. Google Play Music purported to be that but failed.

            "Surely even on a Mac this can't be too hard. I doubt tagging can get very broken, and Google will add tags and artwork via music matching."

            I can't find any converter that will preserve my artwork and there is no hope of Google replacing it with music matching. A lot of this stuff I physically scanned the sleeves for as they simply don't exist on-line anywhere. iTunes couldn't find it. Tag & Rename couldn't find it. Scanning was the old way. I have a perfect collection, with 100% accurate tags to my own design and 100% accurate photos. It looks great on my Sonos and syncs great with an iPod Touch. Just disappointing that Google failed to support the most widely used lossless codecs.

    7. SuperTim
      Pirate

      Re: Good idea, poorly executed

      Whhooooahhhh... Ben Rose!

      The only 2 options for not using ALAC are Piracy or apathy? I don't think that washes somehow....

      Compatibility, size, availability of purchase or even how long ago it was converted should all be factors.

      I am sure there are plenty of people who get a crappy rip off a torrent and then upload it to play, but I have lots of crappy rips I did years ago myself which wouldn't benefit from now being converted to any lossless format. Even if they did, I wouldn't use ALAC (I am not sure if you knew this, but it isn't as widely supported as many other formats) and you appear to be cutting your nose off to spite your face if you are forcing yourself to pay an additional monthly fee rather than convert your tracks to suitable format.

      1. Ben Rose

        Re: Good idea, poorly executed

        "The only 2 options for not using ALAC are Piracy or apathy? I don't think that washes somehow...."

        It's called a sensationalist post, but it wasn't far off the mark. Google have made a decision to not allow any iTunes users who ripped in ANY lossless codec to port their music. Not just ALAC, but AIFF and WAV aren't supported either. They excludes a massive proportion of the market.

        "I wouldn't use ALAC (I am not sure if you knew this, but it isn't as widely supported as many other formats)"

        For sure, but it has considerably better support than FLAC.

        "and you appear to be cutting your nose off to spite your face if you are forcing yourself to pay an additional monthly fee rather than convert your tracks to suitable format."

        I pay for Spotify for new music anyway, it's just not as convenient to have my library cluttered with stuff I already own. There are also massive gaps in their collections, for example The KLF deleted its back catalogue years ago - the only place to hear it is on my CD rips.

    8. hokum
      FAIL

      Re: Good idea, poorly executed

      " I used Apple Lossless (ALAC) to rip my music, as I wanted to preserve CD quality"

      "Back to Spotify it is"

      Are you not very bright?

      Spotify's max stream quality is 320kbps. Google Music converts to 320kbps.

      Regardless of your ignorance of these facts it's hardly a good comparison anyway. Spotify has a massive library and makes it easy to discover new bands GMusic is a digital music locker for storing and streaming files you already have. The two work fine side by side as they fulfil different needs.

      Dimwit.

      1. Ben Rose

        @hokum Re: Good idea, poorly executed

        I don't ONLY use Spotify. I ripped losslessly to enjoy my music at home direct from the ripped source.

        On the move, I'd be happy with a 320kbps source, as I am with Spotify, but Google Play Music refuses to convert it.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Opposing views

    Been using the "digital locker" piece for ages, via a hack to use it in the UK, and absolutely love it - can't understand why this article is so down on it. Yes, it took overnight to get my music up there (from my home PC - why are you using a PHONE over 3G?), and now ALL my music is up in the cloud, dead easy to synchronise what I want offline on my phone, or just stream it. Sounds pretty perfect to me.

    1. Craigness

      Down...

      ...because it's Google

      1. GregC

        Up...

        ....because it's not Apple

        This is fun...

    2. joeW

      Re: Opposing views

      "why this article is so down on it"

      Check who wrote it, and there's your answer.

    3. diodesign (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: Opposing views

      "why this article is so down on it"

      To be fair, we're down on quite a few things. When someone's actually positive about something, we're accused of taking bribes. When we point out flaws in things, we're accused of outrageous bias.

      C.

      1. Mike Judge
        Thumb Down

        Re: Opposing views

        This time however, none of your flaws have any basis in the real world.

        The pricing is some of the best around.

        The scan-and-match services works just fine, within limits of availability.

        The amount of FREE storage of owned music is unmatched by anyone else

        It can't fairly be compared to Spotify (which costs a monthly subscription), yet it easily holds it's own.

        The choice of buy music is not quite iTunes, but it's not far off, and considering it's less than a week old, impressive.

        It also stinks of being intentionally gimped review by the reviewer deciding to use a mobile phone to upload vast quantities of music.

        THAT is the problem. All the negatives have been artificially created for the purpose of the "review". This should have been a glowing review of an outstanding and cost effective/free service, yet it was given to an iTard to review, and they clearly engineered the outcome to suit.

        1. diodesign (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

          Re: Re: Opposing views

          "This should have been a glowing review of an outstanding and cost effective/free service, yet it was given to an iTard to review, and they clearly engineered the outcome to suit."

          All I can hear is "you disagreed with my opinion! I hate you!"

          C.

          1. GregC

            Re: Opposing views

            "All I can hear is "you disagreed with my opinion! I hate you!""

            In that case allow me to reiterate Mike's points without an insult to latch on to.

            - The pricing is, mostly, as good as or better than the competition (iTunes/Amazon)

            - Contrary to Andrew's statement, scan and match does work - at least it did for me on the desktop client, which is what everyone I know would use to upload their music.. Not their phone over 3G. It does seem to need your mp3's to be sensibly tagged to be properly effective.

            - The free storage on offer is huge, much better than anything else around

            - Yes, iTunes has a slightly wider selection of music but Play isn't far off, how much content did iTunes have on UK launch (real question, I don't know the answer)?

            I'm not going to go quite as far as Mike and say it should be a glowing review, but Andrew's observations don't match particularly well with my own experience of using it, and as others have pointed out he does have previous when it comes to Google...

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Opposing views

        You're biased, and you smell of wee!!!!!eleven

        (..or whatever the standard claim may be)

  5. Joe K
    Thumb Up

    Well

    Yes it has tempted me away from paying £30 for iTunes Match, seeing as this is free.

    Also pretty damn fast uploading songs, but then i'm not daft enough to try it from a phone.

  6. gazzton
    Meh

    "Uploading is tedious"

    Sure is. I uploaded a couple of hundred tracks yesterday - and no sign of scan-and-match in action. Various problems with upload errors and had to resubmit a number of tracks.

    Hopefully, if/when scan-and-match kicks in it will also provide decent quality cover images as some of mine weren't too good and so needed searching for and editing/reuploading. That process could be easier too.

    Still, good start.

  7. Mike Judge
    FAIL

    Wrong...

    "Although Google is supposed to offer a scan-and-match service, it actually isn't. Scan and match,"

    I had a US Google Music account for about 8 months, and it's fantastic. However it took over a month of overnight (unmetered) to upload my stuff (8000 tracks) over my slow(ish) ADSL with 512k upload.

    Uploaded the same collection to my missus Google account over 3 nights.

    What's happening, if it can find a match, it will, otherwise you have to upload it. Not sure what Andrew Orlowski expects to happen, if Google don't have your track in their catalog. Magic it out of thin air or something???

    #FAIL

    Google haters are gonna hate it seems....

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Wrong...

      my *missus's Google account

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Wrong...

        my *missus' Google account

        ...sheesh, if you're gonna be pedantic ...

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          No, you are incorrect

          There is only one missus.

          Sheesh, if you're going to be pedantic, at least make sure you know what you're talking about first.

          http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/apostrophe.htm

  8. Thecowking

    on Linux too

    I'm currently synching my music on my Ubuntu box, so it's not just Windows and Mac.

  9. Martin
    Happy

    Works beautifully for me...

    It's got a linux upload client, which is something neither Amazon nor iTunes can supply.

    It uploaded about 15,000 tracks in a day or so. It converted all my .flacs to 320K mp3 (bar four, for some reason). I have a few albums which are a single .flac + a cue list - that just appeared as a single track. Would like to see that work better.

    It skipped over all the .wma (but I only have a few of those).

    It found a few tagging errors which caused tracks in a single album to appear split across two identically named albums - but you can fix those easily.

    And I can now stream ALL my music to my phone wherever I am - and it's now backed up on the cloud.

    I'm happy.

  10. MattLoren

    Its not going to lure me away from Spotify either

    On any platform.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    You wouldn't really expect to be uploading from a mobile device anyway, so why mention it?

    To upload your CDs, or other music sources the sensible thing would be to do it at home with

    a decent PC running "Music Manager" and your normal broadband.

    The time this takes obviously depends on the size of your music collection but is relatively

    painless so just be patient - it will really be worth it to have total playback portability and the

    option of sharing your collection with others.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      How do you share your music collection once it's uploaded?

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    " scruffy Android Marketplace "

    Fannybois, they're a right bunch of fannys.

    Marketplace is better than the shitty old app store, and no crappy iTunes bollox!

  13. Jim 48
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    US to UK services

    I've been using the US Google Music service for a while and do like it, although, as mentioned, it did take an age to upload my music (and it exceeded by broadband cap so I found myself speed-limited for a while). To be able to buy songs on my device I had to clear the data for the Play Store but everything else seems to have transitioned to the UK version OK. I usually buy MP3s from Amazon but I may switch to Google, although I will always do a price comparison first.

  14. Grumpyrocker
    Stop

    Sound quality is a factor

    Okay, Google doesn't offer lossless files but the 320K files are better than Amazon's poor offerings. On at least four occasions I've received a refund from Amazon after complaining about the dreadful sound quality of albums I've bought.

    In the UK Play and 7Digital also offer 320K MP3 files. So while Google isn't unique I can't see a good reason to continue to buy Amazon's dreadful - and in many cases broken - mp3 files.

    Personally I use both of the above and have been using Google's cloud service too for months (thanks to signing up via a vpn). Now the Google store is open I expect to use that quite a bit. I like the android app, the simplicity of pinning music for offline listening and the browser based listening experience.

    1. GregC
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      "pinning music for offline listening"

      Hadn't noticed that, will have to have a look.

      The service itself is working very well for me - I uploaded my collection yesterday and I reckon it matched about 2/3 of it - can't see any other explanation for the initial part of the upload being so quick, then it slowing down dramatically during the latter part of the process. The store is a bit quirky, more so browsing on PC than phone, but it may finally tempt me away from the buy-CD-and-rip model I've stuck with so far.

      As for replacing swearing with radio friendly edits, I wish it luck doing that with my Kevin Bloody Wilson tracks ;)

  15. Mike Judge
    FAIL

    Also interesting

    that this article fails to mention how much better the encoded music is, and how cheaper it is.

    79p for a track, £7.99 for an album. Every instance I tried was considerably more expensive on iTunes and Amazon.

    #Fail for fanboy written articles...

    1. Craigness

      Re: Also interesting

      Try Staring At The Sea. Not literally.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    This looks really good. I like the idea of simple multi platform streaming for my music collection, so I grabbed some mp3s and tried to make like a forklift and upload.

    It all fell down when it asked my credit card info. For a free service. No alternative payment options and you can't cancel the set up dialogue and drop back to the main page.

    Fuck that.

    1. GregC
      Holmes

      Yes, a free service...

      ...that they are offering in the hope that users will buy music from their store. They want your card details so they can sell you music. And phones, tablets, movies and apps.

      What, you thought they'd set this up just to do you a favour?

  17. David Hicks
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    It's necessary

    I'm glad it came here, because it's a very necessary service - when you're offering your flagship phones without SD slots and only 8-16GB of onboard storage, something had to give.

    I still don't get why exactly they hate the Micro-SD slot, and why they don't add more capacity to their phones if they won't provide it, but at least with this you can access your music on the move. Still I reckon I'll be sticking to Galaxy, rather than Nexus, devices for the forseeable future.

  18. nick turner
    Facepalm

    Been using it a while as noted by using the US vpn connection to activate in the US. It did spend 4 days uploading all my music, but that was over 1000 albums so I expected that, works great, I just wish I could get a decent data allowance from o2 since they forced me to lose my unlimited downloads as I worked out that with my usual listening habits I'd need up to 3gb a month, which surely can't be that unreasonable in this day and age, whereas I get stuck with a 750mb cap which is quite frankly bobbins.

    1. thesykes

      upvoted

      simply for the use of the word "bobbins"

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: upvoted

        ..and upvoted for approving of it.

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Personally I think media download and streaming should be independent from any phone platform maker.

    Google push Android.

    Apple psuh iOS

    Microsoft push Windows Phone.

    I'll stick with Amazon.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Fixed it.

      Apple push Apple Hardware

      Microsoft push Microsoft Hardware.

      Only Google and Amazon and Sony allow your content to be played where YOU want...

      1. toadwarrior
        FAIL

        Re: Fixed it.

        iTunes offers DRM free music and ALAC is an open source format. How does that lock you in? I have no problem using ALAC anywhere aside from Google services it seems. But fortunately I have enough sense not to deal with the advertising company anymore.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Kindle

      You forgot "Amazon push Kindle"

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  21. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    User error?

    As I had NONE of those problems.

    about 70% of my music was matched and uploaded instantly, the other 30% (which wasn't available in Google's catalog of music for sale) was uploaded the old way.

    All the music in the store previewed just fine, and all the track pricings I tried were MUCH cheaper than Apple, and always either the same or cheaper than Amazon.

    And there is not a single mention of the "Explore Similar Artists" game changer in the Android App Play Store..

    1. diodesign (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: User error?

      "game changer"

      ...that Spotify has had for ages :-)

      C.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: User error?

        Spotify costs money.... So fail.....

        1. diodesign (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

          Re: Re: User error?

          Spotify is free if you put up with ads. "So fail....."

          C.

  22. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Another 'Andrew Orlowski' Google bash

    Andrew,

    We get it. You don't like Google, you take every opportunity to have a swipe at them, maybe for good reasons, maybe not. But when doing a review of something made by them why not pass it over to one of the other journalists who can produce a useful review with an impartial stance?

    Personally, I think the service is pretty good. Well priced, the match service worked for over half the tracks I had. Buying from the store doesn't force you to download, they appear instantly on your devices or the web player. The encoding is one of the best on the market. 20,000 songs storage for tracks not purchased from Google free as well. Offline listening is very easy as is swapping tracks and albums out from online to offline and vice versa. It also has gapless playback.

    The whole jukebox with ability to reorder tracks is also pretty cool if you have a party and want to allow people to place songs onto the playlist themselves.

  23. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Undecided

    Loved the sound of this when it came out in the US as I was a big big user of Spotify, so when it came out I uploaded all my tracks from my PC and added the URL as an app on my iPhone.

    Sadly it was a disappointment on my 4s. I'd pick an album the first track would play and then I would have to unlock the screen to see what it was doing as I was getting nothing once the first track had finished - even when connected on WiFi. It was a painful experience trying to use it on the iPhone in general.

    Nexus 4 is on it's way though so someone please tell me they've got a dedicated app for this on the play store?

    1. GregC

      someone please tell me they've got a dedicated app for this on the play store?

      Yup, the Play Music app updated yesterday to incorporate it. Can't say too much more than a basic "it seems to stream ok" as I haven't used it in anger yet.

    2. Mike Judge
      Stop

      Re: Undecided

      Comes pre-loaded with Google Music App, which is superb.,...

      Accessing Google services on an iDevice is always going to be an inferior offering,.,,

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Hmm, linux one isn't cutting it for me

    Tried to use it, it seemed not to pick up $http_proxy or anything similar, and thus totally failed. It basically tries to connect before offering any configuration interface for proxies, which means I can't use it on this machine.

    (Maybe there is some way to launch it from the command line with proxy specs, but I really can't be arsed to look right now, stuff shouldn't behave like this)

  25. Dante

    Doesn't work properly here in IOM - same with Google movies and books. Google doen't like crown dependencies apparently.

  26. Shades
    FAIL

    Not mentioned...

    Had a play with the "music manager", which seems to be more of a bulk uploader, and the decided to ditch it almost instantly when I realised you can only download things you've uploaded a maximum of two times! Sod that, I'll stick to my 50gb Box account and stream from that.

    1. Grumpyrocker

      Re: Not mentioned...

      Not according to Gmusic on the web when clicking the download link...

      "Each song can be downloaded 2 times on the web. This limit does not apply when you use the Music Manager desktop application to download files to your computer."

    2. Craigness
      WTF?

      Re: Not mentioned...

      You're allowed to keep your files on Box but use Google Music for streaming, downloading and native android apps with automatic playlist creation, syncing and all the other benefits. It's not a choice of one or the other.

      VERY simple solution for you: don't delete your files after uploading them to Google Music. I've done the same.

  27. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Sharing music

    So if all my music is on Google Play and tied to my google account, how does my wife listen to any of it on her android device? She has her own Google account for email and Google services - do we have to maintain separate music accounts and upload everything twice and try to keep them in sync? Or maybe a new account only used for music?

    1. Martin
      Thumb Up

      Re: Sharing music

      Either of those would work. But I take your point - it would be nice to be able to share just the music part of your Google account on a permanent basis with, say, up to three other people.

      (I think the neatest solution is to have a single account which you share used only for music.)

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Sharing music

      When you open the app, you're presented with a list of Google accounts associated with your phone, as well as an Add Account button.

      Once you're signed in, it appears you can only choose existing accounts in the settings. Presumably you can just add another account using the main Android account settings and choose the new one once that's done.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Sharing music

      The same way you can only buy an app and use it on multiple devices but with one account. The Play music store is designed to allow you to buy music. Therefore freely sharing between accounts means that you could just share between all your mates and only buy one of each track/album and all have access to it. Can't see that happening myself.

      The record companies decide the terms of the licensing - they are not going to allow a number of people to be able to have free unlimited access to a 99c track.

  28. goldcd

    Probably just reiterating what's already been mentioned, but here goes

    1) Don't upload from your phone.

    2) Google Play music manager allows upload from your home PC and you can leave it running to auto-add anything you add there (e.g. add to iTunes) up to the cloud.

    3) You don't have to stream ALL your music to your phone. You can 'pin' what you want store/cache locally on your phone (similar to how you can with Spotify) - and just do this over wifi.

    4) For me it's not a replacement for spotify - but it's replaced my old music player and ever having to drag files on and off my phone.

  29. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It wont lure me away...

    From using my own storage. Why the fuck are people so into giving their stuff to some 3rd party to `look after`??

    Liability if you ask me, and you'll have precious little recourse if they lose/damage your data (or let the feds rifle through it on a whim).

    1. Grumpyrocker

      Re: It wont lure me away...

      It's not like your local copy gets deleted. This isn't a Star Trek transportation of your precious CD collection.

    2. Paul E

      Re: It wont lure me away...

      You still keep your local copy so what's the problem. As you can download as well as upload from music manager you consider it as a free insurance policy against losing your local copy.

    3. Craigness

      Stop deleting your stuff!

      You're probably one of those people who would benefit from not deleting everything from their hard drive once they've uploaded it to the cloud. It's not really that hard not to do it. I don't do it all the time and didn't even need a lesson in not doing it. So now I have all* my stuff available from everywhere, and also have copies on a more reliable storage at home. Simples!

      * Not "ALL" all, just the stuff I don't mind the Feds rifling through.

    4. Martin
      WTF?

      Re: It wont lure me away...

      Well, no - it hasn't lured me away from using my own storage - nor will it ever do so.

      I keep my music on my local server, and it's backed up on another local machine - it's now up in the cloud as well for free.

      No-one in their right mind expects the cloud to "look after" anything. But it's a reasonable backup facility, and an excellent and easy to use off-site backup.

      (Still use Dropbox for everything else, though.)

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