This was news in yesterday's Times.
Apple, HTC kiss and make up
A small island of good sense has popped up in the tumultuous ocean of smartphone patents: Apple and HTC have quit their legal battles for now. Specifics of the deal haven’t been announced, beyond a cessation of all legal action worldwide, along with a ten-year licensing agreement between the two companies, covering both …
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Sunday 11th November 2012 23:03 GMT Anonymous Coward
Android fragmentation is logarithmic
Tally so far:
HTC - settled
Samsung - lost a jury trial with a penalty in excess of $1 billion, no major injunctions or victories against Apple products, numerous antitrust investigations
Motorola - numerous antitrust investigations, weighing down Google's financials
The Android reality distortion field is quite powerful. Apple and HTC have a common enemy, Samsung and not just hardware and software in the Android camp is fragmented but business strategies and cross-licensing strategies as well. Fragmented they will fall.
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Monday 12th November 2012 00:17 GMT solidsoup
Re: Android fragmentation is logarithmic
Tally so far:
HTC - settled with secret agreement (for all we know Apple may be paying them).
Samsung - lost a jury trial, but the verdict won't be upheld on appeal because of the foreman's links to Apple, potential conflict of interest. Samsung won the trial that had Apple write/hide/rewrite/hide by a different method statement on its UK website. Samsung products are cleared throughout the EU.
Motorola - had Apple's lawsuit dismissed with prejudice, Apple still owes Motorola FRAND license money.
There fixed that for you.
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Monday 12th November 2012 03:49 GMT Monty Burns
Re: Android fragmentation is logarithmic
Additional to SolidSoup:
- Apple also got sued for $350 few days ago (yeap lost a patent battle)
- Lost iPhone trademark in Mexico
- AFAIK getting there arse whooped in Sales by Samsung (you brought them in to this)
- Are about to have as many as 20 of the most contreversial patents cancelled (some of which were used against Samsung in the $1billion suit)
- The German court decision should never have existed in the first place as the UK had ruled on it
- In South Korea (some sense prevailed!) and BOTH companies got hit with tiny fines and told to get on with it and stop wasting everyones time
So when you think about it, it's actually really bad days for Apple.... guess you really do reap what you sow.
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Monday 12th November 2012 12:43 GMT DaLo
Re: Payment of License fees?
"HTC must have said it, otherwise they wouldn't have said the fees won't materially impact their balance sheet."
What HTC said was "There is no material adverse impact on the financials of the Company".
Which mentions nothing about licensing fees and as that is an investor statement it could be anything from there was no costs at all or that HTC had to close down their litigation costs with a final payment or a settlement fee of some kind. It is a big leap to suggest it means licensing fees were paid.
HTC are unlikely to have given The Register an exclusive on specific details for a confidential agreement between themselves and Apple.
"Either that, or the Reg author made the whole thing up, which I find hard to believe."
You haven't been around here long have you?
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Monday 12th November 2012 15:16 GMT Anonymous Coward
@DaLo - Re: Payment of License fees?
There is no material adverse impact on the financials of HTC as long as they will stop selling Android phones. This is what Apple was looking for, they were never interest in getting any money from HTC. Actually, Apple could even have paid HTC some money just to get them quit using Android.
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Monday 12th November 2012 00:10 GMT Anonymous Coward
Oh man, sorry had to laugh, you really believe any company in tech has "friends"?
Even if they did, do you think Apple would want any of them as friends after the years of trash talk they got, yes including from HTC's Peter Chou and their then (maybe still) best buddy at Microsoft, Steve Ballmer?
Is that how you start friendships?
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Sunday 11th November 2012 23:48 GMT EyeCU
Stupid HTC Management
Why did they do this? By accepting Apples agreement they have given some validity to the nonsense patents Apple holds. If they had held out chances are the patents that haven't already been ripped up by the USPTO will be gone in a few weeks. Are they still going to pay Apple if that happens? They would have been much better off going to court and demanding that Apple prove the validity of their patents. It wouldn't have cost them anything as once they had been thrown out for being obvious HTC would have been able to claim all their costs back from Apple.
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Monday 12th November 2012 10:47 GMT Field Marshal Von Krakenfart
Re: Stupid HTC Management @Wang N Staines
HTC is irrelevant to crApple in the smartphone & tablet market.
There fixed it for you fanboi (yeah, I've looked at your previous posts).
Samsung is still the perceived threat to Apple, Samsung have being innovating on the range to electric/electronic in the same way that the Japanese did during the 70's and 80's. Samsung also have an advantage over Apple in the range of goods they produce, laptops, laser printers, televisions, DVD players, MP3 players, camcorders, refrigerators, air conditioners, air purifiers, washers, microwave ovens, and vacuum cleaners. If you live in the far east you may also have a Samsung credit card, insurance, or have been to their theme park.
This gives Samsung a huge advantage over crApple in terms of customer sentiment, If you've got a Samsung product you are happy then you are likely to buy another Samsung product such as a fondle slab or phone.
I said Samsung is still the perceived threat to crApple, the real threat to Apple is...... Apple, IN a joint statement release by HTC and Apple Peter Chou (HTC's CX) and Tim Cook announced that they were pleased to have resolved this dispute with Apple both companies can focus on innovation instead of litigation. Thankfully Tim Cook doesn't seem to be blighted with Steve Jobs's obsession of destroying android and has realised that it is innovation that gives a company the 'edge' over its competitors.
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Monday 12th November 2012 10:52 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Stupid HTC Management @Wang N Staines
My beer fridge is a Samsung - but I don't care what it looks like as it's stuck in the garage. That's about as much innovation as they do - generally the stuff works but let's not kid ourselves it's not made the same as Apple or even many others.
they need to be careful - HTC, Asus or ?? could easily come out with the new 'best' Android phone and Samsung are in trouble AND they lose Apple as a customer.
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Monday 12th November 2012 15:21 GMT Anonymous Coward
@AC 10:52GMT - Re: Stupid HTC Management @Wang N Staines
HTC can no longer come out with any Android phone, ever. This was the goal of both Microsoft and Apple lawsuits brought against them. From now on, HTC will be a proud member lost in the mass of Winows Phone makers, and die a slow death there.
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Monday 12th November 2012 20:38 GMT John Brown (no body)
Re: Stupid HTC Management @Wang N Staines
My beer fridge is a Samsung"
Imagine if it was an Apple fridge.
It would look "cool".
It would scan all items in and out, re-ordering as required.
It would be black, with rounded corners.
You can play Angry Birds on the front panel LCD.
But.
It needs a special connection to power it (not supplied)
Goods can only be bought from the Apple App Store because only they use the special NFC tags the fridge can read. If you try to put a non-tagged item in it powers off until you remove it.
Mines the one with the asbestos lined freezer mitts in the pocket.
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Monday 12th November 2012 00:11 GMT Solly
I'm probably wrong but...
My guess is that Apple are playing Taiwan off against mainland China to secure themselves a better unit price, the margin difference being far better in the long run for Apple than having to settle with Samsung in South Korea with it's more progressive workers rights and safety legislation (=greater costs). The issue for HTC however is that it will be seen as sleeping with the enemy. If Apple can force them to self alienate themselves then that serves them well even if HTC are off the hook for 10 years.
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Monday 12th November 2012 01:07 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: I'm probably wrong but...
It does sound a bit off the mark, not sure what you mean by playing Taiwan vs mainland China?
Are you aware that Foxconn (as well as Wintek and almost all far east electronics suppliers) is a Taiwanese company, but like many Taiwanese companies they also operate in China? There isn't much to play there.
Taiwan-China relations are not always what they seem either.
As for Samsung many of their factories are based in China as well, and let's not have any fantasies about worker's safety legislation in South Korea (google "Stop Samsung No More Deaths" to see for yourself)
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Monday 12th November 2012 15:25 GMT Anonymous Coward
@ge - Re: Big gotcha
Nope! you theory doesn't explain sudden switch from Android to Windows phones that HTC is undertaking. They don't pay any money, they don't get any money. They will be allowed to live with the condition that they quit producing Android phones. This is the real game, my friend.
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Monday 12th November 2012 17:01 GMT Lazar
Re: @ge - Big gotcha
Erm, there's been no sudden switch. HTC started out as a Windows Mobile phone maker and have brought out phones in nearly all Windows handheld generations. Just because they brought out 2 Windows 8 phones (HTC 8S & 8X) doesn't mean they are switching to Windows. Even Samsung joined in the Windows 8 mobile "bandwagon" with the Samsung Activ S phone.
All it means is that they feel Windows 8 to be a viable market to sell some phones, no sudden switching.
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