So if I hear this ringtone and contact the police to report someone playing an offensive ringtone they may well arrest the person on a public order offense.
Jimmy Savile ringtones still selling like hot cakes on iTunes
The theme tune to Jimmy Savile's Jim'll Fix It is one of the top selling iPhone ringtones. The iTunes Ringtone store, comedy top ten, screengrab Now then, now then: the iTunes comedy chart Despite public outcry over revelations of Savile's child abusing past, the £0.99 jingle is outselling the "laughing chipmunk", a Jack …
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Monday 29th October 2012 15:04 GMT Psyx
"So if I hear this ringtone and contact the police to report someone playing an offensive ringtone they may well arrest the person on a public order offense."
No, because it's not offensive: It's a theme song for an old TV series, hosted by someone UNDER INVESTIGATION AND NOT EVEN LEGALLY YET GUILTY OF crimes. The offence is due to inference that you make. I'm not saying he's innocent: I'm just saying that it's not offensive.
You seriously think this is offensive, yet 'C&^t calling' is unworthy of comment or offence?
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Monday 29th October 2012 16:27 GMT Andrew James
Re: Think thats bad
To be fair, it might scare the parent of the kid if the parent was someone that Saville (allegedly, but more than likely) fiddled with back in their youth. But the kid themselves is as likely to be scared of any old man mask ... since they will have little or no idea who he was.
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Monday 29th October 2012 14:25 GMT Not also known as SC
Fail on censorship
I find the attempt at censorship for #3 funnier than any of the ring tones.
In the article it is described as 'c*nt calling', in the iTunes store page they have 'c**t calling', but the logo next to it clearly displays the full text 'cunt calling'.
Anyway shouldn't it be 'answering' instead of calling?
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Monday 29th October 2012 14:30 GMT Anonymous Coward
Just shows you
What a sick society we live in and while I'm no puritan this is a bit much, apparently people are also trading Jim'll Fix it badges on ebay or so I heard from a colleague.
I want them to dig the bastard up, tow him out to the middle of the English Channel and let what remains of the Royal Navy have some target practice.
I know it sounds harsh but the problem now is that anyone who does anything good for it's own sake because they are a human being (remember them, we are few and far between these days) will be looked at with suspicion as to what their ulterior motive is which is extremely sad in my opinion.
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Monday 29th October 2012 15:10 GMT Ken Hagan
Re: He hasn't been found guilty of anything yet.
He isn't ever going to be "found guilty" of anything now, since no-one will bother to prosecute someone who is dead. I suppose he might be found "guilty by implication" if some other decision is logically dependent on an assumption of his guilt.
But what do I know? I'm not even able to understand why anyone would want to pay real money for a Jim'll Fix It ring-tone.
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Monday 29th October 2012 16:40 GMT Dave 15
Re: He hasn't been found guilty of anything yet.
The legal niceties don't apply, the BBC have apologized to his 'victims' (even those that went back for second and third goes), the government are baying for blood and the journalists have all decided he is guilty as smeared. Whether or not he did anything several hundred people have hit the jackpot with claims - I am considering adding to the list just to see if I can screw some of my licence fee back out of the bbc.
Of course this will all result in even more laws to 'ensure it doesn't happen again' - all of which will put off yet more genuine people from running youth clubs, giving someone a lift, coaching in a sports club, or even helping a kid after they've been injured in the street.
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Monday 29th October 2012 19:53 GMT Anonymous Coward 101
Re: He hasn't been found guilty of anything yet.
Yep, just like the 'care home scandal' of the nineties. An awful lot of witch hunting, an awful lot of compensation, very few convictions. I'm willing to bet that a massive proportion of the accusations against Savile have no foundation, and would be torn up by a decent defence barrister in a court, not that Jimmy Savile will get see a court.
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Monday 29th October 2012 16:36 GMT Dave 15
Re: Just shows you
Can't do that, the poor old Royal Navy can't afford ammunition for their rowing boat anyway (apparently they sail the world without any missiles in order to 'save money' - fat lot of use if ever there really is a war),...
Although, one idea, perhaps they could disentagle HMS Victory from all the 'elf and safety' extra wires, patch up the politically correct hole in her side (for allowing the disabled wheel chairs on board) and sail her out and fire one of her guns - I am sure we could have a whip round for the gun powder and those guns will take just about anything and fire it...
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Monday 29th October 2012 19:29 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Just shows you
I hate to burst your bubble, but the remains of JS are merely a machine. The being that was Jimmy Savile expired a few minutes after lack of oxygen began to degrade the electro-chemical state within his neural cortex.
In addition I can't see what benefit your suggestion would give, it's not as if disintegrating decaying organic matter is going to change the past or give any comfort to those affected by his actions when he was alive.
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Monday 29th October 2012 15:58 GMT Tom 38
Re: Eh
I've not seen any evidence, you haven't seen any evidence. I'd be surprised if the police have seen any evidence.
I've seen that the police have lots of "inquiries" ongoing in to things that happened in the 70s. Most of these, without independent corroboration, will boil down to "she said, he said", except that the "he" is dead and cannot say anything. This is why, "of the dead, speak nothing except good".
Re-hashing this shit does no good to the alleged victims, no good to the alleged offenders family, no good to his charitable legacy. The only people who benefit from this navel gazing shit storm are the media and their prurient brain washed readership.
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Monday 29th October 2012 16:42 GMT Dave 15
Re: Eh
how much of the 'evidence' is made up of chancers looking for a quick buck from compensation.
'he put his hand on my back - for a bit too long' is hardly bending her over the nearest caravan table and removing her virginity is it? For heavens sake its not even sticking his hand up her skirt.
It is quite possible that there was real abuse and for that there should be something done, but some of the stuff is plain ridiculous.
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Monday 29th October 2012 21:31 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Eh
Police should be able to whittle it down. During the Jonathan King stuff they had lots of people come forward, but the police carefully whittled it down.
Jon Ronson wrote a fascinating article about that case back in 2001 (be warned, it's quite long). I believe there may be much in common with the Savile case in terms of the power of "celebrity":
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2001/dec/01/weekend.jonronson
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Monday 29th October 2012 16:47 GMT Psyx
Re: Eh
"and as for the "alledgedly" and innocent until proven guilty! - F*** that , look at the weight of 'evidence'"
I haven't seen any, yet. I've just been told by frankly crappy media that the police are investigating after 300 people made phone calls to complain. I haven't been exposed to any hard evidence.
He's probably guilty as hell, but I believe that everyone deserves their proverbial day in court, and shouldn't be lambasted prior to that.
It's really easy to throw accusations about dead people.
Though if there is anything to it, I'd quite like to see the nurses et cetera who are now coming forward to be prosecuted for idly standing by.
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Thursday 1st November 2012 09:57 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Eh
[Allegedly evil bastard who Allegedly abused hundreds of children.]
While this is totally true, and should be strongly asserted, before you put all your eggs in the "innocent, can't be proven guilty" basket, I think you should temper that a little with the probablity that there could be some truth in the allegations, it's certainly not beyond reason to suspect that at least some of the 150/200 people who have come forward claiming that he abused them are possibly telling the truth.
[There was adequate time between these alleged offences for people to report them]
Surely this would be the case for every abuse/rape/assault? the psycology of abuse, the guilt the victim feels may not seem logical to you, but it's very, very common, you may not understand it, in reality more abuses/rapes/assaults are not reported than are reported.
[doing so after the accused is no longer vital is just tacky.]
Fair enough - it's tacky, to you, but if a "genuine victim" gets some kind of closure, some kind of healing then it's got to be a positive thing, after all, which do you think JS would prefer; facing accusations while alive or having the accusation after he died? He had a great life, iconic, famous, could go anywhere, do anything, loved by many (no sick pun intended), if this came out while he was alive he would have had a worse life, whether true or not is irrelevant, "he can't answer the accusations" - so what, do you think he'd want to? JS was very, very lucky that this didn't come out when he was alive.
[I find this whole episode unseemly.]
I think this is the problem, this is the reason people "look the other way", people don't want to know, they don't want to think it could be true, talk to an adult abused as a child and you'll get the same story, the "shame on the family", "it was in the past", it may be unseemly, it may seem unfair on his family and friends, but if there is any truth, please don't blame the victims for this "unseemly act" or "shame", blame the abuser.
[De mortuis nil nisi bonum old boy.]
Even if this was one single language it wouldn't be gramatically correct (as you are telling him, not us), but he could have said "non omnis moriar", which invalidates your assertion, besides lex non distinguitur nos non distinguere debemus, absente reo coram non iudice ab abusu ad usum non valet consequentia durum hoc est sed ita lex scripta est.
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Monday 29th October 2012 15:54 GMT JaitcH
Herd mentality in full flight
I am glad that at least some El Reg posters recognise there has been no convictions registered against the late Jimmy Saville. And never will be. Gary Gladd was convicted of having 4,000 images, not making them. He was also convicted n VietNam of abuse when he spent the night with two girls and their aunt in the same bed.
Given the extreme secrecy surrounding the matter, the closed court hearings, the less than politically isolated courts and the poor general law conditions in VietNam I would even place that in the dubious category. Please note that I am one of many Foreigners who wrote to the Prime Minister of VietNam asking that no sentence reductions be given Glad. These reductions are handed out en masse on vacations and national holidays.
No one has explained why these now 40 and 50 year old alleged victims are only now coming out of the woodwork.
As someone who came up in the Sixties, I remember it was quite common for people to 'put out' by way of appreciation. These were the days of free love, mini-vans with "Don't laugh your daughter may be inside", etc.
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Tuesday 30th October 2012 07:14 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Herd mentality in full flight
Let's prosecute all the people that were around in the 60s and 70s, for having a good time that we clearly can't have now. Especially the dead ones. The French call those 30 years up to 1975 "Les Trente Glorieuses".
Many could also be prosecuted for crimes against music or fashion ;)
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Monday 29th October 2012 16:05 GMT Anonymous Coward
The British sense of humour in overdrive.......
Now then now then now then. Some of us have already had this text message in our SMS inbox:
"Our records indicate that you were once felt up by jimmy Saville and could be entitled to £2147 in compensation. Just reply "HOW'S ABOUT THAT THEN" to register or to opt out just text "STOP JIMMY STOP". Register before the end of the month a get a free "AMBULANCE-CHASERS 4 U FIXED IT FOR ME" medal"
The depths to which the British sense of humour can stoop to never cease to amaze me.
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Monday 29th October 2012 16:48 GMT Psyx
The more I think about it, the more I think that it's kinda weird morally: We're all too happy to literally pi$$ on his grave and completely ignore the enormous amount of charity work that he did due to the greater moral crime of allegedly abusing children.
And yet we've happily tore apart a couple of entire countries and let hundreds of thousands of civvies die in the ensuing conflict for the 'greater good' of deposing evil leadership or elements within the countries.
Strange creatures, aren't we?
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Tuesday 30th October 2012 01:44 GMT Robert Carnegie
I suppose
It's the same as every time they made jokes on [Mock the Week] about what you don't get in the Harry Potter books, i.e. non-consensual and/or under-age sexual intercourse. If you watch repeat programmes and you actually enjoyed the Harry Potter books as they are then it gets tedious. Anyway, in the last book there's a scene where a confused and troubled witch evidently uses the magic Rohypnol to bend a Muggle to her will, but it wears off and he escapes.
...What|?
Oh, and it's amazing what happens when you have the extremerly rare good-luck potion. And an Invisibility Cloak. This is what's actually in book number six that I'm talking about.
And, come to think, the teachers have to do the rounds at the party night in book four to flush the older students out of the shrubbery.
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