When the court room becomes a marketing mosh pit it is time for the judge to step up, stomp down and set the proper agenda for Apple v Samsung.
Apple's trial experts are 'slavish fanbois who believe in magic'
Samsung has asked a Californian court to dismiss seven of Apple's expert witnesses in a patent case - and claimed their "slavish" love for the Foxconn-rebrander means they are unable to give useful testimony. In a Motion to Exclude Opinions of Certain of Apple's Experts, the South Korean giant's lawyers described the Apple …
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Tuesday 22nd May 2012 14:14 GMT Anonymous Coward
Who but an expert is supposed to give an opinion when no one else appears to understand how the things work?
Then the question is where do you get the expert with an opinion?
Someone who uses it of course because how can you give an opinion if you don't use it.
I suppose Samsung will have their experts too, their fansungs.
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Wednesday 23rd May 2012 01:13 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: or get an independent source
How's that supposed to work then? Just because you work for Nokia or RIM doesn't mean you might not have a bias one way or the other for or against Apple or Samsung. Neither side will have experts testify without knowing what they are planning to say, so they'll only select those who agree with their position. No difference from the situation now, in other words.
The only role for truly independent randomly selected experts would be if the court were to employ them, but such a thing doesn't exist in the US court system. Failing that, your desirability as an expert witness will hinge on you stating what the party signing your check wants the judge and jury to believe.
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Tuesday 22nd May 2012 13:00 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Samsung Fanbois
True there are fanbois, but samsung IS a good manufacturer, and their products talk to each other, and rivals, nicely.
Try connecting to a mates wifi when your round his house & showing photos/video on his tv without cables using an iPhone, I can do it with any DLNA equipped TV as standard. i.e. most new TV's with a network port!
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Tuesday 22nd May 2012 14:11 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Samsung Fanbois
Considering samsung make panels for other manufacturers, its best to check out the manufacturers supplier if your concerned about Samsung products, personally I have 3 BenQ monitors, and so far so good!
I did notice there was a distinct difference between country of purchase and quality/reliability, when I was reading reviews.
I wonder whether countries with weak consumer rights get lower quality batches?
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Tuesday 22nd May 2012 19:14 GMT Alan Denman
Re: Samsung Fanbois
Obviously if it was an Alple banded version of the Samsung monitor you would have needed to buy Applecare or stump up a thousand bucks + for repair.
Long warranties work because they seldom break down. Short warranties are where failure is high though luck also comes into it.
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Tuesday 22nd May 2012 14:59 GMT Danny 5
Re: Samsung Fanbois
i really can't imagine that's anything but plain bad luck. i've had Samsung stuff for over 20 years and have been amazed many times about the amount of physical abuse their hardware could take before it failed. i had one of those classic "boombox" sets with one of the first CD players in it. it survived savage beatings (loads of falling down from stuff, stairs, hills, out of windows, that kind of shit) and only died when my "friends" who borrowed it, thought it was a good idea to play a round of football with it (i still resent them for that).
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Tuesday 22nd May 2012 14:55 GMT Danny 5
Re: Samsung Fanbois
I was about to proclaim my own Samsung fanboiïsm (i think i've just invented a new word!), but then i realized i was going to buy my first real smartphone soon, a Lumia 800. I do love their stuff though, i have a 40" LCD TV by Samsung and consider them first for all my electronics purchases. I've had several older phones by them as well. My love for Nokia phones is quite easy to explain though, i've been (or am, it's still lying around somewhere and i'm 100% sure it'll work when i find it and the battrery will be fine) the proud owner of a 6310i and let's face it, there will never be a better phone then that.
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Tuesday 22nd May 2012 15:17 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: "the Foxconn-rebrander" @Chris 19
Come now - for 95% of Reg readers, that's a classic example of pot and kettle, no? I would give examples, but there are so, so many (think of all the fun and oh-so-clever plays on Microsoft, Facebook and so on. Reg readers do have a habit of playing to the audience and thinking the resultant upvotes are a realistic measure of their intelligence ...)
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Tuesday 22nd May 2012 13:08 GMT jai
Also, I'm sure I read (possibly on this very site) that Foxconn produce products for Samsung also.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn#Major_customers
If Scrib.com-rebrander Anna was at all impartial (y'know, like a proper journalist) then the article would start something like:
"Foxconn-rebrander Samsung has asked a Californian court to dismiss seven of Foxconn-rebrander Apple's expert witnesses in a patent case"
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Tuesday 22nd May 2012 23:58 GMT Anonymous Coward
>Anna- Given that Apple gear has never been released under the Foxconn brand, how the hell can be >Apple be said to be 'rebranding' it?
He gets downvoted, but no one has answered the question. Curious, that. I note that Anna then tells the same 'joke' again, on the Apple HQ story...
I don't really rate one platform over another, but if people don't take just a little care with the English language, our dialect will end up like either George W Bush or Chinese goods manual translated into English by machine.
Oh, and Anna, the forums here don't really need you to bait them, do they? They are plenty capable of straying from any pertinent point without your input, ta. Causing flames for the sake of it is just tedious if it is a fire that we have seen a thousand times before.
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Tuesday 22nd May 2012 15:04 GMT Danny 5
Re: Can't fault their stance
obvioiusly there's a reason everyone here remembers the old "MAC vs PC" flamewars. They're sort of back, but now with added players!
You still get to love your favorite company and proclaim your undying support, but now there's the added benefit of not just hating one oponent, but tons of them!
let the flamewars....
COMMENCE!!
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Wednesday 23rd May 2012 12:05 GMT Intractable Potsherd
Re: But back ontopic ..
What's your problem, amanfromearth? Perhaps you are smarting because it was pointed out that you didn't have a clue what you are talking about re: the discussions between the CEOs?
If you don't like the reporting here, there are many, many other places you can get your news, one or more of which may do so in a way that suits your taste.
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Tuesday 22nd May 2012 13:23 GMT LinkOfHyrule
Just found an actual transcript of the court case online...
Your honor, unicorns do so exist! Steve had a whole stable full of them back in Cupertino - we would squeeze their teats to extract the magic! We then take that magic, ship it off to China, and 8 weeks later a new version of iPhone emerges!
We put it to this court that Samsung has willingly and recklessly infringed our magic milking patent in the production of their so called smart-phones. They may be smart, but your honor, they sure aint magic! I rest my case...
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Tuesday 22nd May 2012 15:23 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Animal Farm @AC 14:16
Could be - has he posted 1984 quotes or that now horrendously trite custodes crap on any Internet related articles yet? Though in my experience people only tend to get that trite when they reach college age and start to think they're Robin Hood. Thankfully most exclude themselves from society by becoming crusties or playing Internet Freedom Guardian on the Reg forums.
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Tuesday 22nd May 2012 21:49 GMT Dropper
Unreasonable
I think Samsung have this unreasonable expectation that the so-called experts dug up by Apple would have something relevant to say about the patents Apple is defending.. for example can someone who created a second-rate OS for a black and white computer give expert testimony on whether or not Samsung ripped off Apple's touchscreen tech.
I'm sure Samsung are just as guilty of boring the judge to death with flowery, rose-tinted bullshit.. which is why they had a bunch of their fanbois thrown out already.
Actually it seems refreshing that experts are actually being called on their expertise. In most technology trials this is pretty much never done, with the courts just accepting claims of expertise by random people who have invented bullshit titles for themselves.
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Tuesday 22nd May 2012 23:11 GMT Asher Pat
at last, Samsung speak like men, saying what everybody knows
Usually, they are meek and are unwilling to say what everybody knows - there are people who see Apple as some kind of higher entity that needs to be helped (even without being shareholders), and its competitors are seen as enemies that need to be decimated.
But Samsng are still spineless. If they had a shred of self respect and at least one test- icle, they wud have said to Apple - see you in court, but in the meantime, look for another supplier, mateys.
Maybe they will wake-up to the fact that they are men, but I dont hold my breath.