Facebook accused of 'wanton' use of Canadian woman's pics A Canadian woman has filed a class action lawsuit against Facebook in the Supreme Court of British Columbia for "wanton, reckless and callous" use of her photo and profile in the social network's ads. Debbie Douez is claiming that Facebook used her face and profile in ads without getting her permission or paying her a penny, …
the UK position would be just because the T&Cs says so, don't necessarily make it so. There are many big companies who have tried to use T&Cs to disadvantage consumers, only to see the Office of Fair Trading shoot them down in court. It's entirely possible a UK court could find one, some, or all of Facebooks T&Cs unfair, and therefore invalid.
Yup, always amusing to see the words "statutory rights unaffected" on guarantees, contracts, etc.
Makes no odds, nothing that they write can affect any rights you have that are enshrined in statute (i.e. law), as they override any contractual weasel words. It's there to protect them ("we never intended our contract to ride roughshod over our customers' rights, look it even says so!"), not you.
It's like putting "Warning: contains nuts" on packets of peanuts.
The great thing about the UK law on contracts, is that if you get one clause thrown out for being unreasonable (or downright illegal) it voids the whole contract. I had exactly this happen with a landlord who had a clause in my tenancy agreement stating he could enter the property as often and whenever he wanted without giving me prior notice. He did this to all his tenants, even walking in on another tenant while she and her boyfriend were playing "hide the sausage". I referred the tenancy agreement to the ombudsman that oversees tenant rights, and on the basis of that one clause had the whole contract deemed unenforcible.
That landlord sounds evil,
I am a landlord myself, and I would never dream of entering my tennets home without prior notification and I would always prefer them present, while their renting from me, its their home and I won't violate it! I hope that landlord got locked up for what he did!
If someone walked in on me unannounced in my home, they should expect to be physically incapacitated & restrained before I ask who they are, I don't care who they are, in my mind an intruder is a deadly threat to my family & me until they are secured and identified...
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With web 2.0 T&Cs and/or excessively long T&Cs (e.g. iTunes 42 pages that change every time you update an App), I think the courts are moving towards the position that nobody actually reads then and thus they are not meaningful. There's even a bunch of law types mooting the idea that given their length and the uneducated masses reading them, that even if they were read, they would still be unenforceable as they cannot be reasonably expected to be understood by those being asked to agree to them.
Just because it's in the T&Cs doesn't make it fair or legal. Such cover-all clauses have been thrown out time and time again.
I'm not claiming the woman is right, but on reading the story here it would appear Facebook has leapt from a page "Like" to a whole different association, something I would suggest is beyond the T&Cs since it is not possible to consent to the unknown.
Quite, just because you e-signed a "sort of" contract with Farcebook doesn't make it enforceable, especially when the laws of your country override it.
I could sign a document right now waving my right to not face capital punishment for any crimes I'd commited, but it wouldn't be enforceable in this country.
Each of those words has a specific legal meaning. Listing them all is necessary because it is possible for a judge or jury to find one or more of them applies but others do not. To prevail, the plaintiff needs to show some number of them apply
Silly in normal speech, quite necessary in a legal claim.
DISCLAIMER : I am not a lawyer but my daughter married one.
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"P.S. Of course, with a few more suits like this, FB may not be worth a plugged nickle."
And you are assuming that Farcebook is that now? Hardly.
When are people going to get through their thick skulls that one should not put ANYTHING on the Internet...and that includes in e-mails...that you don't want the entire planet to see.
You never know when something is going to come back and bite you right in the arse.
Not only is it in the Ts&Cs, but they made a huge publicity push when they launched it and went to great lengths to publicise the fact that you easily can opt-out(*) in your account settings.
This was only a few months ago, has everyone forgotten?(**)
(*)- should have been opt-in of course, but can do you expect?
(**) - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/12/21/facebook_sponsored_stories/
That was my first thought. I've personally opted-out within FB privacy settings.
If she didn't bother to review the settings they handily provide, I'm not sure what else she is expecting. Opt-in will never happen in non-paid services, and the fact that it's opt-out is very well advertised imho.
A bit more hassle to retain a lawyer than to set your privacy settings in the first place, but more upside I suppose.
Don't forget that your average user won't see the tech new and certianly won't read terms and conditions. It's only when they see something that affects them that they then complain regardless of what they "agreed" to.
Thus why the issue over profile pics used in dating adverts which still happens though there may be a check now to ensure that there is little chance of you knowing that person.
Also why this now is an issue because she's feeling hard done by even though she technically agreed to it. Happy to see it's being challenged though ! The day when people take terms & conditions as law is a sad one indeed.
There is a large difference between any contract and the law itself. Facebook's terms can be fully lawful in their "home country" (the US) but in another country, that contract could be deemed unlawful or unconscionable and therefore null and void in that country — and to do business in another country, you have to abide by that country's laws.
I am sick and tired of people who believe that just because you agree to a contract, that the contract is somehow made untouchable. Facebook reserves the right to change their terms, yes but even new terms have to be reasonable and lawful.
A contract is not an automatic pass to do whatever one wants.
You can't sell yourself into slavery or offer up your first-born, but there are surprisingly few limits on what you can agree to by contract and the law will uphold it. Pretty much anything that's legal, in fact.
I think you'd have a very hard time arguing that the part of the contract that, if you like something, and tell facebook that you like something, allows facebook to say that you have said you like something, was unenforceable. FB's lawyers would certainly argue that it was reasonable. What did you think you were doing when you clicked on like? Making a private mental note just for yourself? It's going to go on your profile, and it'll only be visible in adverts to those who would be able to see it if they visited your profile, so it's a very small extra step. Hard to see how the one could be that much more unreasonable than the other as to become unenforceable.
What about the next time you sign an EULA? Do you want to read the entire War & Peace length of it just to make sure they don't do something retarded with your rights? Or at least, no more retarded than the average EULA?
EULAs and T&C exist, sure. But I don't want common-sense expectations of privacy to go out the door as well.
If you list your date of birth and exact address on FB, tough for you if someone uses that to hack your ID.
But expecting to be contacted by FB before you're prominently featured in a promotional campaign? Is that too much to ask???
IMHO: send her a case of champagne, pay off her lawyer and don't do it again. Another privacy lesson learned for FB.
She's visible in a tiny sidebar ad THAT WILL ONLY EVER BE SEEN BY A HANDFUL OF HER FRIENDS.
FB aren't showing these ads on tv or publishing them in the press. They show up only in the FB feeds of people who could see the like on her profile and will have already probably had an item go past in their news ticker when she clicked like in the first place. Nobody else in the world gets to see it.
How is that "prominent"?
Ms Noname might win or lose this case, but FB are cruising for a bruising with this non-permitted photo usage. Just imagine - and I'm not suggesting anyone tries this - but just imagine you create a FB profile in the name of Someone Famous, and set the profile picture to be of that Someone Famous, and then you click on a bunch of Like links using this profile. The FB PHP script will then grind into action and Someone Famous will be seen endorsing a bunch of products without their knowledge. And you can be pretty sure that Someone Famous will have some mighty expensive lawyers who will slap Mr Zuckerberg around the court for doing so. Can't happen soon enough.
Yeah, but no.
Facebook has its uses, for example organising gatherings in meatspace.
I have an account, but haven't logged in for months... party invitations etc are forwarded to my email. If I could could reply to messages through my email (like, y'know, email ) I would be happy.
Just as soon as most phones can send and receive email happily, the de facto way of replying to messages requires a fucking dedicated client. Grr.
"I have literally no idea why anybody would want to use Facebook, ever.
That really should be an end to the matter. Off you go now."
Ah, it's the ever-popular geek fallacy of generalizing from one's own needs and desires. You prefer not to use Facebook, so everyone who uses it is an idiot. I'm sure that argument is very persuasive in real life.
OK - lets see if I got this straight:
Some chancer has a facebook account, that she willingly signed up for, with photos that she willingly uploaded, and facebook shows TO HER FRIENDS that she liked something that she willingly clicked the "Like" button for.
And now she's looking for a payout? I thought it was only in the US that they had such ridicules lawsuits as this one.
> Debbie Douez is claiming that Facebook used her face and profile in ads without getting her permission or paying her a penny ..
Read the EULA and this not only applies to Facebook, once you upload anything to these "social" networks, then it's no longer your stuff !
www.facebook.com/legal/terms
"subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License)"
`01. You can use your privacy settings to limit how your name and profile picture may be associated with commercial, sponsored, or related content (such as a brand you like) served or enhanced by us. You give us permission to use your name and profile picture in connection with that content, subject to the limits you place'.
`02. We do not give your content or information to advertisers without your consent.
`03. You understand that we may not always identify paid services and communications as such'.
Your friends. Riiiight. Like saddos such as yourself who seem to spend more time making clever (in your own minds,) word plays on "Facebook" have friends. Seems you twits spend more time thinking these things up and then posting about Facebook on other forums than the saddest 12-year old spends on Facebook itself. Loooooserrrrrrs ...
It all seems nasty and underhanded when a big company like Facebook has these legal terms in place, but what If anybody wanted to launch a great new social network thingy?
Basically, if risk of copyright infringement, liable, plagerism etc. can't be reduced at the outset in this way, then nobody but a big-bully-boy-company with deep pockets will ever be able to lauch a website again!
I think that any court has to consider the impact of judging contract terms to be unfair in the context of any company of any size, not just in the case of the big boys.
Mark
Interestingly since FB see's I'm single I'm getting LOADS of ads for dating sites and apps (suprise suprise), one of which is Zoosk.
This new advertising feature lists my friends who recently used said dating app and I'm really not sure if the one who is married knows that fb is broadcasting that he's been checking out other ladies.
If you give your details and data away for free it WILL be used. I'm still using facebook but I've not "liked" as much as I used to and I'm not using many apps either. On a seperate issue I've stopped "liking" some pages (Creme Eggs for one) because of they daily posting of crap garbage updates. No, blocking them wasn't enough.
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