An angry American IT pro has responded to a rude Facebook post from his daughter by riddling her laptop with a fusillade of bullets and posting video of the shooting on YouTube. Here it is, with the incensed dad leading in by reading out the offending Facebook post and offering a few points in response before emptying his .45 …
You are a dumb arse.
If you had watched the video you would see that the area is a best rural fringe and if you had bothered to check Tommy's FB page you would see that the local cops have been round more than once based on complaints and have found no issue, in fact some of the community officers want a copy of the video to show in schools.
Left wing, anti-gun bullshit of the first order.
Angry, aggressive IT Dad
This isn't TV show, it's a real life.
Somewhere out there is a teenage girl, being just the way all teenagers are - and for a reason. She's got to survive as an adult, be a parent to her own children. She's got to be able to stand on her own two feet when her parents are dead and buried. Unfortunately for this poor girl, she has a father who is trying to break her in like a horse, trying to get her to submit to his will. This is, and always has been, the worst kind of father. Quick to anger, quick to teach his children all the most moronic lessons you can learn in life - about false respect (getting others to submit through force) which will win her no sustainable friends or allies in life, about revenge (another downward spiral which ultimately leads to disaster), about aggression and violence being justified because you didn't get your way.
This girl's father is a nasty piece of work. He might love her, but he's a fundamentalist. If she'd been brought up as near to an equal as possible, in reason, able to communicate and exchange ideas with her parents without fear (isn't that the most important thing of all?!?) this wouldn't end up with an alienated daughter leaving home as soon as possible and having as little to do with her parents as possible. The social world is a very, very complex place. There is no *one right way of life*, and no one way of life (as a survival strategy) which suits all environmental/economic/social situations. Every teenager is right to question the status quo, and to find a new way. That's a reflection of the fundamental basis of evolution, and the reason we die - it is the "refresh rate" which allows the population to track changes in its environment. In humans, we learn some basics that were useful to our parents, but in our teenage years, we *must* begin to adapt to a changing world. The fundamentalists may try to stop the world changing, by preventing social change, but they are fools for their efforts.
RE: Angry, aggressive IT Dad
"....being just the way all teenagers are...." My daughter is definately not that way. Indeed, she is far too smart to post something like that in a public forum where I might see it. But then she is top of her classes, whereas I suspect you were far lower down the curve. You fail with your insistance that the daughter's behavious is normal and acceptable.
"....Quick to anger...." Where? He seems quite calm and controlled to me, and this is her second serious offence.
".....This girl's father is a nasty piece of work...." I suspect this is what you want to see, he seems quite agreeable to myself.
"....but he's a fundamentalist....." Que? Where does he spout any fundamentalist views? You're just making unfounded allegations now, drawn from your own prejudices.
".....If she'd been brought up as near to an equal as possible...." Major fail. You have no idea how she was brought up, just your assumptions
"....The fundamentalists may try to stop the world changing, by preventing social change, but they are fools for their efforts." And that was goodnight from Hippyville. Pleas, go get a clue.
Reasonable is obviously relative
I finished top of my school, have three degrees, and a very happy and successful family, thanks.
As for "calm and controlled" - he was shaking with rage.
"Agreeable" - he destroyed his daughter's laptop with a hand gun. I dread to think what you would see as disagreeable? Would you really like this man as a friend, given that friendships also involve disagreements and argument?
A Fundamentalist means he has a "fundament" from which he cannot be moved - that which does not agree with his world view, from atop his fundament, is to be considered as absolutely wrong. He is clearly fundamentalist.
"Major Fail". I listened to what this man said. His ideas about parenting are quite clear to me, but then, I have had more than my fair share of experience dealing with people like this.
"Pleas" is spelt "Please". As for Hippyville, I get the impression you are one of these hyper polarised types who only sees the world in two colours - perhaps that's why you couldn't recognise your agreeable friend there as a fundamentalist.
RE: Reasonable is obviously relative
All those degrees and none of them were in English, obviously. Fundamentalism has nothing to do with a determined belief in just one point, it directly related to religious beliefs.
"....he was shaking with rage..." Really? How do you know he wasn't just nervous at making the video? He seems controlled - he's not raging or making wildly aggressive gestures, his tone and language are calm and measured. In short, he is in control. It seems none of those three degrees touched on human behaviour either. Were they all in art history or flower arranging?
"....I have had more than my fair share of experience dealing with people like this...." Ah, so you're projecting your own bad experiences onto the situation in hand simply to fit your own prejudices. Maybe you should talk to someone with a degree in psychology about those issues?
Guns solve very little
Apart from on just about any situation on pretty much every US TV show.
This man is a failure.
His daughter is a child, not an adult. This would explain why she doesn't value money or responsibility yet. She needs to be nurtured and supported in a loving environment during her transition to adulthood. No doubt she will one day look back and realise she was wrong, but she also needs to value the fact that her family tolerated it at the time, despite them making it clear it was unacceptable. This would be a lesson on life - civilised society requires us to understand that we are individuals with different viewpoints but ultimately the same interest to co-exist in synergy.
This oppressive approach to parenting, and the obvious grasping at straws to maintain his superiority complex will not earn him the respect of his daughter, and ultimately will alienate her further.
She will be a figure of ridicule when she goes to college, and a target for bullies. "You're dad's a gun toting apathetic jerk!" comes to mind.
On top of this; he clearly states that he doesn't know if his daughter will see the video. From the other content on his account, he's social media savvy. Is he using the issue with his daughter to bolster hits on Youtube as a PR stunt? That is the act of a truly despicable individual.
There are many other points I'd love to make, but I can't post an essay on here. This man should be a genetic cul-de-sac. End.
One possible bailout for the father
It could have been a joke. A nasty one - granted - but the joke would be on the father himself.
I hope so for both involved.
There is no evidence from the video that the laptop was intact. The father repeated himself. If it were me, those repetitions would have been clues to the video watchers that I was joking.
Anyway, it's a reminder that nothing on the Web can be regarded as secret.
All those shots were fired next to a road with houses on it. One twitch away from shooting a driver in the head. Or a girl riding a horse. I thought Americans knew how to handle guns.
Also I wonder if the guy really intended to terminate his father-daughter relationship for good. I bet that's what he's done.
Please, leave the firearms discussions to those that actually know something about firearms.
I wish I had a gun.
So I could shoot my computer.
I hope he enjoyed his minute of fame
Because in a few years, when she reaches adulthood, she'll probably sue him for all he has, and then some more.
Now, I don't have anything against removing her laptop or even destroying it by any means available, be it a gun, a sledgehammer, water, fire, thermite or throwing it through a window. The part that horrifies me is the PLANNED, RUTHLESS, MASSIVE PUBLIC HUMILIATION to which he just subjected his teenage daughter for, you know, just acting as most teenage daughters do. I'd be more sympathetic if the guy had done this on an impulse, without the time to fully consider the implications of his actions, but the fact is that he made this video, obviously scripted beforehand, and made damn sure it would be seen by everybody in the net. In a few years, we'll probably see this guy trying to justify his actions before a jury and/or make them look like something done in the spur of the moment. Good luck with that!
"Yeah, let's destroy her ego and her social life at the same time. That'll show her!"
RE: I hope he enjoyed his minute of fame
Our Outraged Teenage Reporter, reporting from his Mom's basement.
Aside from your "ad hominem" attack, is there any other content in your comment? Yes! the Smiley icon!. Congrats, Matt, you are improving.
Now, you should consider including some kind of ARGUMENT in your comment, countering what I wrote in mine, so other readers don't get the impression that you are a brainless c*nt.
@Mephistro et al.
Honestly, don't you think Dad was humuliated by her posting? I know I would be if it were my daughter. He taught her a valuable lesson on how not to use social media, at the very least.
PERSONALLY, I think Dad should get a medal and become rich selling motivational videos on teen parenting. His lesson-giving was as flawless as it gets, particulary when you read about the heart to heart he had with his daughter later. I'd like to meet him in person.
RE: Hi, Matt
".....is there any other content in your comment?...." Sorry that it upsets you, but - given the lack of any thought in your post - I was trying for something that matched the same level iof childish humour. Apologies if it made you rant more.
I have posted plenty of arguments in earlier posts, your posted nothing new and definately nothing that came close to an argument, merely more prejudiced ranting. Please, what is she going to sue him for, and why exactly do you think she would succeed? She is a minor, she is subject to his rules whilst she lives in his house. He has not broken any laws and has not caused her any direct injury or threatened to do so, so you obviously didn't think your idea through. The result is the same whether he used a gun or a hammer, it's just you automatically go with the kneejerk "gun=BAD" rant. As was pointed out by somnabulus in a post at 14.03 GMT, there followed a discussion between the daughter and the dad and they ended up laughing at some of the vitriolic posts (probably yours).
Hi, Matt! ++
"The result is the same whether he used a gun or a hammer, it's just you automatically go with the kneejerk "gun=BAD" rant."
Poor reading comprehension. I specifically wrote "... I don't have anything against removing her laptop or even destroying it by any means available, be it a gun, a sledgehammer..."
"...given the lack of any thought in your post..."
Well, I'll make things easy for you: My post says that: a) He'll probably have to explain his actions in a courtroom, b) what he did was disproportionately cruel for the offence.
"She is a minor, she is subject to his rules whilst she lives in his house"
That is the ancient Roman approach to parenting - they could rightfully torture or murder (even by crucifixion) their own children for not complying with 'their rules'. FYI this mindset has been considered obsolete -and criminal- since before the end of the Middle Ages.
"Please, what is she going to sue him for, and why exactly do you think she would succeed?"
Extreme Cruelty. And she has very good chances in a civil court.
"As was pointed out by somnabulus in a post at 14.03 GMT, there followed a discussion between the daughter and the dad and they ended up laughing at some of the vitriolic posts"
Yep. Good logic. So instead of removing her laptop or destroying it, and then having that -seemingly long overdue- father-daughter discussion, he took the intermediate step of posting the video in the Nets, for all to see. Genius!
And the digitaljournal.com article is based only on what the father says, the girl hasn't been asked. Suspicious?
Sorry, I don't use Facebook.
@ AMPC 12th February 2012 14:53 GMT
"Honestly, don't you think Dad was humuliated by her posting?"
Yes, I think he was. And then he just went postal. The problem here is that the adult acted like another spoiled teenager.
Seriously now, this "my balls are bigger" approach to parenting is more akin to playing Russian roulette than to fixing family issues. 'Fix it or break it' is not a game you play with your loved ones, unless the situation is really really desperate.
If humanity took the 'an eye for an eye' approach we would have wiped each other out by now. If this man is supposedly a father, should he not rise above the comments his daughter has made rather than publically retaliate under the guise of teaching her a lesson?
This man's total lack of emotional intelligence and failure to understand his daughter's inexperience should be treated with positive stimulus rather than nuclear fallout is perhaps symbolic of the ignorant general populous.
Imagine if your significant other resolved to air every dispute on Youtube. Imagine how much better that wouldn't make the situation. It's all very jeremy kyle.
In addition, no one is saying his daughter has any right to complain about doing chores, but it doesn't seem like corporal punishment is a way to motivate someone either.
As far as destroying hardware...
I think thermite might be the best choice for destroying almost anything, including concrete.
I hope she didn't need the laptop for school work...
haha redneck approach to family matters, instead of having a conversation better grab a gun and start shooting at things, then post the vid on youtube.
I can't help but wonder why
this bully boy father had left home at 15. I think we'll be hearing a lot more about him shortly.
It is always the parents fault....always....he sounds like a catch...well done Mrs NutJob for landing him....and he's screwed his daughter over in so many ways...as you have all rightly pointed out...guy's a twat...just a shame he's an IT twat too...I hope I never have to work with the cnut :)
When 2 people fight...
...2 people are to blame. Although I'm tempted to side with the daughter. I mean; all she did was criticize her parents. Spoke her opinion. If you feel the need to retaliate by destroying someones property, merely for the things she /said/ then I think something is not right here.
Another thing which I miss out on in this thread.. How did he find out in the first place about the facebook critics of his daughter ?
Is it possible that when doing maintenance on the laptop he also went through his daughters e-mails, internet favorites and the lot? Because I would consider that to be very questionable as well. How convenient that the 'evidence' has been destroyed and its now his word against hers.
Quite frankly; As said in the end I think both are to blame here. She should have spoken out against her parents and settled things right then and there, and he should have known better too because placed within context all she did was spout of about her parents against her friends. Which teenager hasn't done that in his youth? Main difference is facebook.
And finally there's another option we all need to consider; for all we know this is only a marketing scheme to try and get his blogs and articles back in the picture again. It wouldn't be the first time people would use family issues to try and get some more attention (one of the most bizar examples of that (IMO) would be the McMahon family).
The dad found out by accessing the family dog's facebook page. She blocked the family from viewing the rant but the dog wasn't in the family group. He opened the dog's page and saw the rant. This is not his fault... This is purely his daughter's fault. Read the guy's FB page.. Even she agreed the way she handled this was her fault. If fact she even offered up her cell phone since she is now grounded from using it as well.
Agree and Disagree
I agree with the father on terms of the facebook post, but I don't think destroying the hardware was such a wonderful idea....I mean if he wants to invoke fear yes he's done it, but as a practicality and economic thing? tbh he wasted a perfectly good machine, he could've repurposed it into a server or something.
1. Snooper? I hate to break it but the daughter was given a quite clear warning that her father would be looking on her facebook wall....
2. Lack of Trust? I believe personally that there has to be give and take in both the parent-child relationship and the child-parent. Seems pretty good to me how this was handled.
3. Bad Temper? Having parents in the IT business myself, I've seen waaayyy worse than this. This guy is pretty calm and tame. My parents actually caused me physical pain as a result of doing crap. Like in terms of hitting and the belt.
4. Guns should never EVER be used for such a thing. A gun is NOT a toy, a gun is something you treat with utmost respect. I would've simply ran the machine over with a car or manually thrown it onto hard pavement. Much more cost effective solution than wasting those good rounds anyway, if he HAD to make a point, elseif it could've been repurposed.
5. Do like the hat :P
To all kids out there, He wasn't kidding. When you get a job and you're working 10 hours a day. Remember,
You: you give me too much work, I demand extra payment
Parents: Nope. Sorry
30 years later
You: You give me too much work! I DEMAND a raise!
Boss: Turn around and walk towards that door, or HR will escort you out personally.
Yea, talkback gets you on the street begging for your dinner down the line.
"I mean if he wants to invoke fear yes he's done it"
It's not fear he tried to invoke.. it's respect! He told her that if she did something like that again he would do something like shoot the laptop. He followed through with his word. She even agrees.. read his FB page.
He wasn't snooping on his daughter's FB page. She didn't black the family pet from viewing it. The family pet has it's own FB page and the father opened that page because SHE didn't sign out of it.
"Guns should never EVER be used for such a thing. A gun is NOT a toy, a gun is something you treat with utmost respect"
Ever go practice shooting? The guy basically shot at the ground. From the range and angle he was shooting it chances of a bullet ricocheting are practically non-existent. Running the laptop over with a car however risk a blown tire and would make a larger mess. Burning it would have release noxious fumes... His wife also wanted him to shoot it for her as well. BTW.. even the local police didn't have an issue... Read the guy's comments on his FB page.
I can see why the daughter is so mature. Children are a reflection of their parents.
what was the point...
of the cigarette he was holding? I never noticed him actually taking a drag out of it.
Apart from that, he did seem pretty hurt about what his daughter had written, perhaps a little betrayed as well. most kids that age like to be smart asses. this is going to hurt bad. Posting the video on her Facebook wall is really driving the point home. I only hope his daughter learns from this and that it does more good than harm. And although i do not condone what Hannah did, I also do not condone disciplining your child in front of the whole world.
Back when I was a kid, something like that would have earned me the back of my mothers hand across the face or even my father's belt. Even today as an adult with children of my own, I would never use that kind of language with my mother. If there is one thing that modern pc parenting doesn't teach children it is respect.
On a different note; if he was a real IT guy, he would have removed the HDD, the ram, heck even remove the motherboard before shooting the damn thing. it's what any engineer worth his salt would have done.
Last of all, Epic Fail because he spent $130 on software. Last i checked, Ubuntu was free. what software would a 15year old require that costs that much?
Possibly some school infested by "donated" Microsoft software& servers.
To stop a jerk doing really stupid things, especially if she is 16 and have a built in webcam (you get what I mean) requires commercial, manageable and reliable software. I had to keep a machine safe and machine had to run win, ended up in hands of Kaspersky and outpost. Free antivirus doesn't cut it when someone clicks every link mentioning Justin Bieber.
If schools "free"servers upgraded "for free", it may also require a newer windows client.
and curiouser. :-]
Credibility as an IT tech
The guy's cigarette and cowboy hat really make me question his credibility... makes me wonder if his IT skills include running cat5 cable from one mobile home to another in his trailer park so that his neighbour can plug into his Dlink DIR-655 router and share his inet access. What a dork!
Re: Credibility as an IT tech
A little confused here.
WTH does haberdashery and smoking have to do with technical ability? Is he supposed to wear some sort of uniform to enter the Most Ancient Sacred Society of Geeks? Is he supposed to get a blazer and pin to wear at meetings? Enquiring minds want to know. All the truly competent geeks I knew wear pretty much what they want -- in varying states of repair.
I know plenty of IT people that wear worse. Personally, as long as he isn't a member of the malodorous anorakii geek tribe and I have to work within smelling range, I really don't care. Over the internet, his bits don't stink.
I'm sure Facebook limits the size of posts.
You sir, are a legend.
His poor parenting skills are not worth commenting on, but I wonder if he has devised a new and efficient method of improving the Asus Transformer Prime wifi problems?
The Self-Destructive Imperative Culture
Yes, this culture of loons is a fundamental part of contemporary USA. Yes, these are the wing nuts, or 'crazies' as Ronald Reagan himself named them, who voted in and consisted of the George W. Bush administration. Remember this guy with his specially bought $1 hollow bullets shooting his daughter's laptop the next time US ReTardlicans and Neo-Con-Jobs pull another insane act on their family, country and the world. This guy and his self-destructive family, friends and elected officials are those with whom you are dealing. (o_0)
Suggested Reaction: Have a cynical laugh and look elsewhere for people who make life among our fellow humans worth living.
RE: The Self-Destructive Imperative Culture
<Sigh> Once again, please indicate where in the video he talks about his political leanings in order for you to lable him a "neo-con"? As I pointed out earlier, he could be a local Democrat activist, you simply don't know. In short, your post does nothig but display your mindless prejudices.
Simple transference, I'm afraid. In order to dehumanize other human beings, some find it necessary to take all things they find objectionable, and plaster them on people whose politics they don't like -- or vice-versa. Regardless of fact.
It turns a world of infinite shades of grey into convenient black and white, suitable for hating at leisure.
He does not actually smoke the cigarette. Probably a dead laptop he shot. The joke is on the people who like this.
Any 45 caliber bullet would make the same size hole. Hydroshock needs to hit something meaty to expand and do real internal damage. Scattergun would do a better job! Nice hat.
Hillbilly boy shot up his daughter's laptop because she bitched about doing her chores? The only person he humiliated was himself. Ol' boy should be more in control of his emotions, letting his anger run away with himself like that is not a good sign. You save the gun for life-threatening situations, not getting into a pissing match with your own 15-year-old teenage daughter on facebook. Jesus.
Also, ol' boy is pretty ignorant, ain't thinking too far ahead. What happens when she *does* go off to college? What type of fella is she going to bring home to pa? And how much fun are they going to have re-watching that video now that's out there on Youtube for eternity. What about when ol' boy gots to git a new job hisself someday? Corporate may not look to kindly on hiring a gun-toting redneck with anger issues.
Only thing this dumb redneck shot was himself in the foot.
Did she learn anything?
She's a spoiled little brat without a clue. Maybe she learned something from the video but it's doubtful.
Re: Did she learn anything?
Well, she doubtless learned that the proper response to a public tantrum is an even bigger public tantrum...
She doubtless learned that the best way to show your love for someone who is dependent on you is with public humiliation...
She doubtless learned that it's safer to bury any feelings that she might have from her over-reactive father than to deal with them openly...
She doubtless learned that the only rational, adult response to adolescent venting is gunfire...
...and, presumably, if her father is ever job-hunting in the future, she will then get to learn the dangers of posting video on the web which demonstrates that you can be an absolute fucknuckle when you are frustrated.
"She's a spoiled little brat without a clue. Maybe she learned something from the video but it's doubtful."
Read his FB page.. She agreed after she read the 96% positive feedback he got. She also offered her cell phone (since she has lost the use of it while she is grounded) up to be shot if will help the charity they support gain financial support... in it appears to have done so... and he is very grateful for as well Also he defends her many times on his page stating it's ok to give him crap but leave her alone.
He is a man of his word. He promised her something like this would happen the previous time she did something like this and then he followed through. This was not a tantrum.. he was calm and level headed throughout the video and remained so all the way through the end. I also believe because of his actions IF he ever did need to look for a job that if people recalled the video he'd get offers on the spot. He was defending his family's honor and his word after sh had disrespected it in a public forum.
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the case, it's clear to me that the father is a complete twat.
I would expect the daughter might be less hurt by the mindless vandalism (even if it is worryingly violent), than by his lack of shame in advertising his twattishness to YouTube viewers. You don't have to sympathise with her much to (a) wonder if he would ask a son to make coffee; (b) develop your own prejudice against using a redneck to work as an "IT professional" (particularly one inclined to spend ~$150 on proprietary software for a single machine before trashing it).
...that some folks do not understand that this girl has serious psychological issues that will eventually required professional help. Many young people live in a drug crazed world of fantasy be it legal or illicit drugs. If she's not on drugs she has even more severe issues.
Her father probably did her a big favor by shocking her into reality. Let's hope with continued guidence by her caring father, this delusional girl will eventually get in touch with reality because she's in another universe at the moment.
"...that some folks do not understand that this girl has serious psychological issues that will eventually required professional help. Many young people live in a drug crazed world of fantasy be it legal or illicit drugs. If she's not on drugs she has even more severe issues."
Are you for real? She had a temper tantrum that she took public that's all it was. Are you a professional who can diagnose this without even seeing his daughter? Even his daughter agrees she screwed up. Teens do that sometimes.. She tried to push the boundaries and she got schooled.
The problem with parents
Seems somewhat hypocritical to raise a scumbag and then use excessive force to scare it out of it's scumbaggery. Perhaps it's time the older generations did a little bit of reflecting on why there are apparently so many ills with the younger generation.
ah punished mah dotter by installin' on her lappop Ubuntu.*
* With thanks to the Red Neck Dialectizer, http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/