NRA: Video games kill people, not guns. And here's our video game
Just weeks after the vice-president of the US National Rifle Association blamed video games for gun crime, the outspoken organisation has released an iPhone video game. NRA: Practice Range is a first-person shooter available from the iTunes Store as a free app for iPads as well as Apple smartmobes. It incorporates a live feed of …
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They did the same sort of thing following Columbine, they have no compassion or decency.
Re: Jim Booth
How incredibly insensitive of you to complain that they defend themsleves just after a bloody school shooting. Will you ever learn?
Re: Jim Booth
The worst part is I find myself having to agree with Michael Moore and Piers Morgan.
"Weird Al" Yankovic was right...
This NRA spokesman appears in the movie "UHF":-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgSOCYhwLJ8
Have they played any games?
Glorify violence - well I have played enough and to be honest they don't, Bulletstorm as an example - that is just an OTT shoot everything that attacks you, simply entertainment, no way are you going to go and shoot things in real life after that.
I play a few other FPS and online gaming is like a bunch of friends paintballing, not real, just fun.
Just fun?
Until you really are pissed off by those fucking campers!
Penn & Teller
Penn and Teller did a show on video games vs the real word. They took a 10 year old boy who enjoyed war shooting games and gave him a real gun to fire. On the firing range and under supervision the kid was in tears in minutes. The gun had weight, it kicked back when fired, it made a loud noise. The boy didn't like the feeling of aiming a real gun at real things. The gun didn't reload or auto assist in aiming. No way was he ever going to mistake a game with killing real things.
There is no relation to real guns and video games. They both use a completely different skill set. Most sane people know the difference between a TV and reality. But it sounds good to blame games.
The right to bear arms
The 2nd amendment that these gun loving nutters hang onto so much only mentions the right to keep and bear arms, it doesn't explicitly state any and all weaponary. I'm sure there are plenty of USA right wing nutters that would love to keep and bear bombs, chemical & biological weapons etc but strangely the US government has banned their ownership by the general public. Surely they can legislate against guns too and just let them keep and bear bladed weapons if they are that keen to keep their 2nd amendment.
Re: The right to bear arms (does not define those arms for a reason!)
There is a history behind the Second Amendment that you Brits seem to deny at every turn.
Your forebears foolishly thought they could tax us Americans to death without having any legal recourse or representation. We then showed them that they were wrong and tossed them out.
To prevent that from happening again, our forefathers wrote an amendment whose intent was that every citizen has the right to defend themselves from an unjust government as well as criminals.
It does not say what type of arms we are allowed to carry since they obviously knew that merely defining them was also restricting them.
Later interpretations defined what arms were allowed, but that is the slippery slope that everyone talks about and here in New York State, they have just violated the Constitution with the latest legislation that cannot be complied with by existing gun owners.
This new law has effectively turned millions of legal gun owners into unwitting criminals.
Re: The right to bear arms
Couldn't the powers that be just re-interpret it to mean that everyone is entitled to own bear arms (as long as they have to collect them themselves without the benefit of firearms).
Re: The right to bear arms (does not define those arms for a reason!)
hmmmm
you seem to be missing the word millitia from this response.
i wonder why?
on another note - is tax free tea worth 30,000 dead a year, i mean, im as much of a fan of a cuppa as the next man (assuming the next man is not professor elemental https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eELH0ivexKA) but 30k people in boxes - bit of a high price if you ask me. fortunately i dont have god making my rules for me, so im free to make up my own.
Re: The right to bear arms (does not define those arms for a reason!)
" our forefathers wrote an amendment whose intent was that every citizen has the right to defend themselves from an unjust government as well as criminals."
How sad that many 2nd-amendment lovers don't even realise that their unjust government does not need weapons to screw them over, and that they cannot use weapons to defend themselves from being screwed over by lobbyists, politicians and lawyers
Re: The right to bear arms (does not define those arms for a reason!)
"There is a history behind the Second Amendment that you Brits seem to deny at every turn."
Balls. We're fully aware of it. It's just not a very good reason. It comes down to two salient points:
1) We can't change it because it's written on a bit of fairly old paper.
2) We have to have guns to protect ourselves if we think the government is being mean.
3) We have to have guns to protect our country if we get invaded.
Point 1 is just absolute tosh. Times change and the Constitution has been changed to reflect that at all. Hanging onto laws just because they exist is backwards. If we were doing that then we'd be literally believing and enacting every mandate of the Bible.
Point 2 is a joke. Try declaring the government unjust and tyranical and taking up arms against it and you'll be locked up for life and branded as a terrorist. The idea that the government of a country that spends more on defence than most of the world put together and has the world's most sophisticated highly budgeted internal security service will be overthrown by armed militias is patiently absurd.
Point 3 is moot. If the world's most sophisticated army doesn't prevent your continent being over-run, then private gun owners won't.
Any argument against gun control involving the Second Amendment is pretty irrational. It's a diversion from the main points and has no real relevance.
Gun Control is about just that. The Second Amendment doesn't say anything about that. Indeed: There are already plenty of laws about concealed carry, the type of firearms allowed, preventing felons having weapons, cool-down periods et al. Simply restrictions on storage, registration et al have ZERO bearing on Second Amendment Rights unless they heavily impact the right of legitimate users to own firearms.
Re: The right to bear arms (does not define those arms for a reason!)
Some points here.
1. If you're government decides to turn into a Syrian type regime, then I have to point out that an assault rifle is not going to do much against a main battle tank, or helicopter gunship, or even a well trained infantry who are on full assault.
2. If another country manages to defeat one of the largest military superpowers on the planet, and invade. Well see point 1 really, and if you think the guerrilla tactics of plinking away at an occupying army who have gone to the effort of defeating such a large well trained army as would be required for this, considering the expense and ramifications they would already have dealt with to go through such a operation.
Do you honestly think they would suddenly go "oh hmmnm maybe we should go home"?
3. Red Dawn was a movie.
Re: The right to bear arms (does not define those arms for a reason!)
Seriously? The whole reason there is a US Constitution is we declared the legitimate, standing government to be "unjust and tyranical" and took up arms against it.
Denying it happened doesn't mean it can't happen again. I am not advocating it, just point out a fact. There is also the issue of self-defense (please research murders per capita in the US and the UK and get back to me on that).
Re: The right to bear arms (does not define those arms for a reason!)
Really confused here.
2 mins of research got me to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
which indicates there are 4 times the number of homicides per captia in the USA versus the UK. So how does this support using guns as self defense?
Doing a little more research... Maybe we should compare cities. I thought I'll try wiki again but the page for cities by muder rate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate doesn't list and uk cities. It lists 4 US cities with murder rates of 58,48,35,31 though. Quoting from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London London has between 2.2 and 1.9 for the last few years.
Re: The right to bear arms (does not define those arms for a reason!)
Dammit! I thought I'd checked that post for spelling mistakes. The last paragraph should read:
"Doing a little more research... Maybe we should compare cities. I thought I'll try wiki again but the page for cities by murder rate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate doesn't list any UK cities. It lists 4 US cities with murder rates of 58,48,35,31 though. Quoting from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London London has between 2.2 and 1.9 for the last few years"
Re: The right to bear arms (does not define those arms for a reason!)
"There is a history behind the Second Amendment that you Brits seem to deny at every turn.
Your forebears foolishly thought they could tax us Americans to death without having any legal recourse or representation. We then showed them that they were wrong and tossed them out."
Uh, you were "brits" too. Don't confuse history with Hollywood. You also forget to mention the French who provided just a bt of help.
"To prevent that from happening again, our forefathers wrote an amendment whose intent was that every citizen has the right to defend themselves from an unjust government as well as criminals."
As ratified by Congress and Jefferson - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Also to defend against tyrannical government and put down slave revolts.
Please note the key words "A well regulated Militia"
If you define a tyrranical government as one that doesn't want you to carry semi automatic weapons I think there is something wrong.
Re: The right to bear arms (does not define those arms for a reason!)
".....which indicates there are 4 times the number of homicides per captia in the USA versus the UK. So how does this support using guns as self defense?...." That's like saying because there are more rapes in London than Exeter we should give up on having police in London.
The NRA .....
... Going on the offensive because they have no defence.
Games do kill people.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1544131/Man-dies-after-7-day-computer-game-session.html
QED
The NRA .....
Going on the offensive because they are offensive
From personal experience
Moving to the land of the "free" My wifes family has a lot of gun nuts in it, their main points are "if the government falls who is going to protect you" and no other amendment or right has any form of regulation put on it like the second amendment has. (they ignore, unlike the swiss, the beginning part of the 2nd which can easily be inferred that in order to have the right to bear arms you must be in a well regulated militia, but that is just one interpretation of 300 year old language)
I also laugh a little knowing these same people for over a decade now, that while they may be awesome sport and target shooters, if it came to the crunch and they were being shot at, then they would be about as useful as tits on a bull since they are not trained in any shape or form to deal with bullets coming the other way i.e. at them ( I find it hilarious that one of them actually does those scary haunted tours, if you are scared by a dark house and a mouse running across the floor then you stand no chance in a real situation) but again that is personal experience. There are many well trained people out there who can hold their own when it comes to walking the walk, and, as has been shown with many statistics (even though the NRA has spent tons of money and years trying to hide the gun ownership/use stats from being made easily available) show that the ones who DO respond in a violent shooting situation are the ones trained as first responders (ex police etc) NOT the joe schmoe who thinks he is bruce willis or Rambo.
There was also a recent chart put up by a (center right) blogger Andrew Sullivan that showed the correlation between per capita expenditure and video game use and shootings per country, it showed that many civilized countries spend more on all types of video games and have multitudes of scale less shootings then America.
Also when the NRA and nut-farm like to point out that criminals don't care about regulation, they are correct, and then they point out like this most recent shooting that the guy did all these illegal things ( like shoot his mom, steal her car etc) the fact is they totally gloss over the fact she was NOT a responsible gun owner in anyway, which usually is the case, and while there are many responsible owners the majority of the vocal crowd are in no way responsible.
I am not anti-gun, in any way, in a few months I will be doing my conceal carry course, I like responsible owners, I am not scared that the government is overstepping it's bounds in anyway by trying to esure that only those who are intelligent ( I think this scares a lot of the loudmouths) and sane (another scary one here) and sober(bugger there goes the neighbourhood) enough to own a gun, you need a licence to drive a car, you need insurance to drive a car (hell if you are buying a house you need insurance or they wont give you a mortgage! houses don't kill people) so why not require both for a gun?
alternatively force everyone who wants to be a responsible owner to join the military, or the militia make it highly regulated, make them go on mandatory courses, basically bring back conscription with NO deferments, and, I think, if we did that, there would be much less American saber rattling around the world since they would all know that it would be all of our kids that potentially are going to be on the front lines.
on another note, steam has made sure video games are no longer dangerous, since you cannot kill people by throwing a download at them - yet...
Re: From personal experience
This is the most sensible comment I've ever read on the whole topic of gun control. It's a true shame that it languishes here on page 3 of the register's commentard's posts.
yeah, bring back the draft
Especially for all 'anti gun' nuts.
I survived Parris Island, let's see the oppo's do the same, cos then at least their arguments will be based on experience.
"This is my rifle...." etc.
Re: yeah, bring back the draft
Paris, because I thought what you mentioned was some sort of disastrous battle, alas its merely a training ground.
Re: From personal experience
Instead, surely we could just take the second amendment literally, "the right to bear arms". Ok here's a bear arm, hell you can have 2.
Anybody knows by now guns don't kill people, rappers do.
Is there a more discredited organisation on the planet than the NRA? What kind of messed up country would give that oh-so-obvious bunch of sister-fuckers any credence whatsoever, let alone be scared that they might have an effect on election results.
Re: AC, 12:56 GMT
".....oh-so-obvious bunch of sister-fuckers...." It always amuses me to hear the uninformed accidentally smearing people they probably think of heroes, such as:
Ted Nugent, rock guitarist;
Lee Ermey, NRA board member and the actor who played the sadistic drill sergeant in "Full Metal Jacket";
John F Kennedy, President, kinda ironic given the whole Grassy Knoll thing;
Theodore Roosevelt, President, and a big fan of hunting;
Michael Moore!!! <<< yes, the really annoying, fat, leftie, conspiracy junkie;
Tom Selleck, famous moustache (and apparently an actor);
Chuck Yaeger, national hero pilot;
Leigh Anne Tuohy, the woman portrayed by Sandra Bullock in "The Blind Side";
Karl Malone, famous basketball player;
Susan Howard, "Dallas" actress and NRA spokeswoman.
But just to make you really spit and spin, there are two US presidents that have quit the NRA after disagreeing with the NRA's policies - Nixon and Bush Snr. I bet you're squirming at the thought of being in agreement with them! Enjoy!
"Guns don't kill people" - In that case, can the idiot that said that load a gun, point it at yourself, pull the trigger and fire the weapon in to your forehead. Now, can you tell me how well you feel? Hello? hello? Oh, you're dead! How can that happen, guns don't kill people!! What a fucking moron.
Re: Simon B
"....load a gun, point it at yourself, pull the trigger and fire the weapon in to your forehead...." Or why not just hold the gun to your forehead and see if it fires itself? Oh, because it won't do so unless it's got a really rubbish mechanism and accidentally discharges, it requires someone - a person! - to pull the trigger.
".....What a fucking moron." I assume that is your signature/footer? Most apt, though I must insist you use some form of birth control as the thought of a moron like you breeding is very alarming.
Re: Matt Bryant
Wow, matt you've really outdone yourself. If it weren't bad enough that you are clearly a gun nut who's smeared this article with your insanities you also, coincidently or maybe your parents planned your childhood so you'd become a spree killer, share almost the exact same name as Martin Bryant, the sole reason Australia has gun control laws that stop wackos and nutters like you and Martin from destroying the hole bloody place. 35 people dead, 35! Children, mothers, fathers even the frickin elderly. Yeah I'm happy for Americans to have guns, just not Americans like you. Police officers, army troops, people who are not just properly trained, but also clearly identify themselves as people who carry guns.
It's truly amazing to even fathom that people like you still exist today, I'd hoped that evoluti- oh wait, why would I mention evolution to a gun toting American, sorry "god" would have gotten rid of the imperfections that turn what would be an amazing planet of people into a self murdering hole.
Really, just take your 2nd amendment and shove it up your 2nd ass of a mouth. Just be careful, I hope your expensive shinny rifle doesn't misfire and blow your brains out, oh how that would be a shame.
Re: Bush_rat Re: Matt Bryant
LOL! No, please, do rant some more! I can't think of anything more likely to make a sensible person considering the issue pause and think, that maybe the anti-gun lobby are motivated by more than just "safety", than seeing your ranting, shrieking post.
"....If it weren't bad enough that you are clearly a gun nut...." <Yawn> So everyone that actually wants to shoot for a hobby is a "nut" by your calm consideration? Good. I think I'd rather be a "nut" in your estimations, seeing as you obviously are a completely illeducated, know-nothing, bandwagon-humping, poitical fashion-victim, without a clue about firearms.
"....almost the exact same name as Martin Bryant...." It's a nom-de-plume, from an in-joke that obviously didn't reach Trendville. Ah well, the joke probably wouldn't have travelled well anyway, not as it required a modicum of intelligence to understand.
".....Australia has gun control laws that stop wackos and nutters like you and Martin from destroying the hole bloody place...." Britain has very strict gun laws too, but I have firearms. I also haven't used them to kill anyone. In fact, no-one I have met at any of the rifle clubs and shooting competitions, here or in the States, has ever used their legal firearms to murder anyone. But your careful and in-depth analysis seems to have convinced you that we're all budding serial killers..... Hmmm, I think the real problem lies somewhere between your bile-speckled keyboard and the headrest of your chair. But don't let that stop you as your posts are childishly amusing.
Tell you what
I'll challenge the NRA guy to a duel. He can have a video game and I'll have a gun. Wonder if he'll go for that one?
Enforce tough sentences on Video game players!
According to the NRA it is overdue that police monitors online games and catches these miscreants.
Next on the agenda are thoughtcrimes. Minority report will be implemented at a later stage.
They'd better ban Team Fortress 2
'cos there's bound to be a mass outbreak of teenagers beating people to death with wet fish.
Anyone rememebr the TV show 'Benson'..?
Cast Member: "Remember Benson, guns don't kill, people kill."
Benson: "Yeah - people with guns."
The way I see this...
Now, I'm but an outsider mind you; in my country its not even legal to own a gun unless you have special permission to do so.
But I can't help get the idea that the only reason these muppets never blame gun related crimes on the people who commit them is because they might still be potential customers (yeah, I know how sick this can sound).
This is just so frickin' ridiculous. I guess its only a miracle that the hundreds (more likely thousands) of people who play or played Skyrim didn't start smithing their own swords and started on a killing spree of livestock and other people ("they were obviously bandits, my deadra told me so!").
Re: The way I see this...
".....But I can't help get the idea that the only reason these muppets never blame gun related crimes on the people who commit them is because they might still be potential customers....." ShelLuser, apart from the fact Adam Lanza was not a gun-owner, one of the things the NRA commented on after the Sandy Hook killings was that more focus needed to be on the dangers of people like Adam Lanza from society, rather than blindly punishing gun-owners (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20815130). Of course, the NRA aren't stupid and know an appeal to logic is not going to work with the anti-gun mafia, so they decided to deflect attention to "vidoe game violence".
Even the old 'Constitution' argument sounds weak...
...I mean - "I need my gun - I might need to overthrow the government`? (or 'guvmint', 'gunnerment' etc)
Why is it that...
...american gun nuts want to shoot guns and kill people who threaten the USA but very few sign up... and the ones that do soon start crying that they shouldn't get involved... because it hurts when they get shot.... and that they (the troops) should be brought back to the USA.... where guns don't hurt people.
hmm... "the only way to stop a bad man with a gun is agood man with a gun"... so what happened in 'nam? Iraq? Afganistan? Were all the US soldiers bad people?
He is right...
I beat three people to death with a cassette copy of Manic Miner for the 48k Spectrum.
Horrid business.
What a load of old cock!
No idea how string the urge is to sneak around my office building dressed in rather tight fitting, black leather armour, picking people off with my magic fire-enchanted bow and arrows...oh wait that was just me playing a character in Skyrim!
Guns don't kill people, small pieces of supersonic lead do
Restrict access to ammunition. Laser etch every shell with a number which is registered to a gun owner and also charge $50 to $100 dollars per cartridge but sell replacements for cost if the empty shell is returned. Also sell them unnumbered and cheap at ranges only for use at that range.
Anyone with any unnumbered shells or the wrong numbers loses their guns for ever - after all Americans do not believe in criminals rehabilitating themselves so once they broken the law once they can never again be trusted.
$50 to $100 per round means you can defend yourself if that’s the sort of thing you worry about, the replacement system means you can hunt but you cannot build up a huge stockpile.
cue a load of downvotes from Americans.........
Re: Guns don't kill people, small pieces of supersonic lead do
not from this American, neat idea even if no way it ever gets implemented.
So long as Americans continue...
So long as Americans continue to keep loaded guns under pillows, in their underwear draw, handbag or concealed on their person accidents are going to happen. So long as guns and ammunition are stored together lethal weapons are going to fall into the wrong hands. So long as military grade weaponry is sold for "duck hunting" or some other bullshit massacres are going to happen. And I speak as someone who is in favor of responsible gun ownership, and irresponsible gun ownership and lax gun controls are they key to Americas gun problem. Cross the border to Canada and gun crime is a rarity, even though there are still plenty of guns.
Re: So long as Americans continue...
Here's the thing most people who haven't spent more than week in the USA don't get. I have lived in some of the reddest of the red states where gun ownership is near a majority and even then virtually the only time I ever see people armed are police officers. I have heard gun shots in an urban setting maybe single digit times in my life and I have lived in some very rough neighborhoods. Its not like Iraq over here. The media coverage just makes it seem so. We have 300 million+ people. You are bound to get a few retards blow up and do crazy shit. Hell it happens everywhere look at the central European and his incest sex dungeon. Gun laws might make some sense but the lack of mental health infrastructure is probably equally to blame. I just wish people commenting on the US actually come here before saying shit.
if video games trigger violence...
If video games cause violence, then Shakespeare's "Romeo and Juliet" must certainly be responsible for teen suicide. Let's go after the game makers and the schoolteachers!
It is completely true!!
I once saw a guy go into a gamestore, then he took a gamebox, took out the disk broke it in two, and stabbed the guy behind the counter in the heart!
Games are bloody dangerous I tell ya.. They should be forbidden!
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