That Higgs Boson we all got excited about last year because it would reveal the mysteries of the universe? One boffin now says his analysis of the data suggests the Higgs is, in fact, an obituary for the universe. Speaking at the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in Boston yesterday, Joseph Lykken of …
Expansion in an expansion...
So, haven't read my Susskind (but will be), but if you consider that OUR universe is supposedly expanding, and we don't know what into, isn't it very possible that OUR universe is busy inflating inside an alternative universe and destroying it? And that the whole concept of universes is merely an endless set of alternative reality/physics models popping into existence from instabilities within each other?
Re: Expansion in an expansion...
My thoughts too.
Comparable to a file of infinite length being overwritten by a subsequent update.
Maybe the new universe having been created in this universe will improve on the current model, to the point it is stable?
..and by that reasoning in a few years time it might be proven we are living in an alpha release and not a beta.
Here's hoping "God" is happy with the revenue flow from this release and isn't pursuing greater profits by constantly releasing new versions, with rounder corners and a more bling.
They've been watching Fringe and sampling the space cakes again.
I'd love to be around to blink and miss the end of everything, but I have a more pressing appointment with dw00m.
Yeah I'll leave it to Walter Bishop to sort out.
you never know...
... but who is to say that the universe we inhabit at present wasn't formed this way? It may spell the end of our universe although a new one will spring up in it's place.
It's all part of the great circle of life...
"Many tens of billions of years from now, there'll be a catastrophe. A little bubble of what you might think of as an ‘alternative' universe will appear somewhere and then it will expand out and destroy us".
How lucky that in tens of billions of years us won't be here any more.
Speak for yourself, Tom Welsh!
It's not PC, but...
that alternate universe needs a slap. It's a very bad universe.
Why not the other way around?
The Higgs particle didn't quite survive long in our reality or universe. So why can't it be the other way around instead; our universe taking the place of another ?
I've thought this for years.
If the universe can spring into existence from nothing, where the existence of matter, is balanced exactly by the negative energy that is gravity, then what's to stop it happening again, in Grimsby high street?
Re: I've thought this for years.
Any self-respecting universe wouldn't be seen dead in Grimsby high street.
Re: I've thought this for years.
Nothing wrong with Grimsby High Street, that an expanding Universe couldn't fix.
PS. I seam to have discovered a door behind which there appears to be an infinite number of Monkeys trying to sell me a script for a play called Hamlot they've just worked out.
Re: those infinite number of Monkeys also...
just tried to patent something with round corners, so I'd just ignore them if I were you.
Nothing to worry about
Meh, not another encroaching universe. that's why there's a hole in the middle of this one.
Oh well, only a few billion years of beer left.
Give it a name
Well we started out with the Big Bang, and previous theories said it would all end in a Big Crunch.
So what's this one going to be? The Big Fart?
Re: Give it a name
The Big Bopper.
I, for one, welcome our new Higgs Boson powered alternate universe overlord.
Really? three pages of comments and I'm the first?!?
"There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened."
This is fundamentally fantastic news, as it can be used to explain an infinite lifecycle of universes, answering what will happen at 'the end', and giving a potential answer to 'what was before?'.
I'm interested to know if this can be made to fit within the current 'big bang' theory. I find it very hard to believe that we just so happen to be in universe v 1.0, so some re-imagining of the bang into 'pop into other existing universe and take over' may be needed. Presumably we should also start looking towards the edges of our own universe for a boundary with the old universe (n-1) that we haven't expanded into yet?
Altogether, an horizon-expanding bit of work. Well done chaps, and chapesses.
Re: Excellent news
Yes and no, they'd have to show that any inflationary period that came afterwards would avoid the problems that have otherwise plagued Higgs-driven inflation -- in particular, there is no "graceful exit"; when inflation ends it does so in whacking great patches which leave the universe far, far too inhomogeneous. That's not necessarily an issue here, since that would only imply that the future of the universe is as something horribly lumpy and impossible for anything to live in, but it's a major problem if you want an inflationary epoch to start off something that resembles our universe. If they could get a smooth inflation out of it, sure, you'd end up with a pretty clean cycle model.
A good piece of short fiction:
Although it's about a big rip rather than a vacuum instability event, this short story is worth a read:
Like a cat in a box...
Are they sure that data isn't just an echo of the previous reality that ended when they first detected the Higgs?
There's a bloke here
...in a box with a flashing light on the top.
Says he can stop it with a blue led
The key word is "Alternate" reality
The original "Big Bang" had the universe expanding until it reached a maximum size then collapsing back to nothing. Now the newest theory says it will keep expanding forever, until all matter cools to the temperature of absolute zero. This theory creates an "Alternate" universe and it could be exactly identical to this one. Who knows? If you could control the Higgs field (the absolute vacuum of space) you could conceivably produce any reality you so desire. By the time this takes place, if man is still around and we all haven't ascended into "energy beings" where we all exist as pure energy, perhaps those left in the physical realm will be intelligent enough to realize how to control all the dimensions of this multi-verse, and they will be able to go back in time (perhaps) to where they will never have to worry about this approaching change. There are after all, 10 dimensions (with respect to time) in this reality, and I'm sure at least one of those dimensions leads away from this disaster.
If this were true ...
Sort of a variant of the "ekpyrotic" Universe theory, but with bubbles replacing colliding branes.
Re. Higgs. I am convinced that the Higgs effect is not the only gravitational interaction, there's still the other 9something percent which is theoretically caused by curved spacetime.
I would speculate that the Higgs effect is Gravity A and the H2 (aka MetaGod) particle is Gravity B which acts over cosmological distances and has a net repulsive effect responsible for inflation.
At smaller scales it isnt observed because the "block size" is too large, if you imagine Gravity B as a low level format on a hard disk (ie sector level) and Gravity A as the actual data...
Isn't this the plot of Greg Egan's Schild's Ladder?
Off the chart bullshitting
Modern physics is so full of bullshit.
Miles Mathis to the rescue.
I found the alternate universe. It's in New Jersey.
All we think we know about the Universe...
...came from 3 guys, one that used to be a plumber, another can only move 3 fingers (if that much), and the other threw in an equation based on mathematics, which if tortured enough (by a 10 year old, no less) can prove that X = Y for any X and any Y, if you hide a division by zero on the finite induction.
I'm not downgrading them, or what they have done, just pointing out that anybody coming from anywhere could have an insight at how the Universe works, even if they can't mathematically prove it, or even if the math fails to help at some point.
All else is empirical evidence that falls apart and don't apply anymore if you reach the speed of light, look at things too small , or too large, or things that happen in a really small amount of time.
Hell, I'm off for a beer, and just admit that we know SQUAT about the Universe just sitting here, looking up, and scratching a piece of paper... preferably under a star-filled sky, and basking at its beauty.
Seeing it coming and going.
Is it worth me booking my table yet?
@ frumious bandersnatch
the magic and wonder of math is all I have left ... switching math 'methods' on schoolchildren who had already studied it for a few years (mid-elementary school) tossed a lot of us to the curb. One Friday we went home loving math. Monday we were to continue on using a new method - completely baffling - and at the same time efficiently giving us a round sense of failure.
Robert Burns foresaw this already!
Ye Pow'rs wha mak auld space your care,
And dish out frights as bill o 'fare,
Auld Earth wants nae skinking ware
That jaups in wiggies;
But, if ye wish her gratefu' prayer,
Gie her a Higgis!
"I could of been an astrophysicist, but I didn't have the Latin."
Still, you might be interested in my "flat universe' theory.
Does God Particle Explain Universe's Origin?
Interested readers should check out my Internet article published in Russia's English Pravda, DOES GOD PARTICLE EXPLAIN UNIVERSE'S ORIGIN?
Babu G. Ranganathan*
Author of the popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS
*I have given successful lectures defending creation before evolutionist science
faculty and students at various colleges and universities. I've been privileged
to be recognized in the 24th edition of Marquis "Who's Who In The
East" for my writings on religion and science.