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Nokia has a couple of mountains to climb. There's the real mountain: in the marketplace it's starting from scratch, a newcomer that just happens to have a large distribution business in place, and a couple of billion euros in capital. Then there's the metaphorical mountain, which is a mountain of cliches. For Nokia to survive …

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    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: My N8-00...

      This whole thing of adding your own memory cards - perhaps it's useful for some people but for most people they just don't care - 16Gb base is going to be sufficient for most.

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "MS just tries again"

    Who remembers the MS HPC2000-based product range and how soon HPC2000 was abandoned by MS?

    Who remembers the MS PocketPC-based product range and how soon PocketPC was abandoned by MS?

    Who will remember the Windows Phone-based product range, after it is abandoned by MS?

    1. RICHTO
      Mushroom

      Re: "MS just tries again"

      Me - I remember and used both those platforms. WP is by far the best yet.

      I would imagine that as Microsoft previously had an over 50% share of the Smartphone market with Windows Mobile that i'm not alone in remembering them either....

  2. Danny 5
    Happy

    lumia900 user here!

    I've been promoting it since the day i got it. If anything, this is the best device if you live in a Microsoft world.

    I have company email, which is Exchange, almost a given nowadays.

    I have hotmail, which belongs to Microsoft.

    I have an Xbox360, all my stuffs from there is on the phone too.

    Everything works happily side by side and it was a breeze to set everything up.

    I think Nokia/Microsoft need to put more focus on consumers, as i personally think they have the business side down pat.

    To put this in perspective, i've always had much love for Nokia and have been working in the wonderfull world of Microsoft for almost 15 years now, so it makes sense for me to follow this path.

  3. durbans
    Megaphone

    Consumers, not techies, are what really counts...

    We all like to debate the pros and cons of various mobile OS'es, and we all love/hate a particular brand and get up on our fanboy pedestal to promote our favourite platform.

    It's worth mentioning however that we are probably less than 1% of the total consumer base for smartphones. The vast majority of people want a phone that 'just works' (to quote a famous fruit) and looks good to their eye.

    My girlfriend bought a Lumia 800 (sim-free) a few months back to replace her aging iPhone 3G. She is in her late 20's and is your average consumer when it comes to tech. She started showing her friends the Lumia she'd just bought and told me yesterday that now, 5 of her friends are using a Lumia 800, and another is planning on upgrading soon to a Lumia. That is the power of consumerism.

    Now I can already imagine the replies saying they've bought a dead platform, blah blah blah. You know what? They either don't know or don't care. My better half was upset when I told her that Windows Phone 8 will not be coming to her phone, but soon stopped caring when she realised that she would get the 7.8 update, which essentially is all the new features of WP8 which her hardware can support. Including full support for all WP8 apps (that don't use the new WP8 hardware features). In reality, she is missing out on nothing.

    1. Richard Plinston

      Re: Consumers, not techies, are what really counts...

      > she would get the 7.8 update, which essentially is all the new features of WP8 which her hardware can support.

      That is not true. The only 'feature' announced for 7.8 is a cosmetic update to the tiles. In particular it will have different sizes and a few extra colours.

      > Including full support for all WP8 apps (that don't use the new WP8 hardware features).

      That is completely untrue. WP8 apps will _NOT_ run on any WP7.x. It seems that the SDK will not even allow a back port once an app has been designated as WP8.

      1. durbans

        Re: Consumers, not techies, are what really counts...

        OK, I've just found this quote from Redmond....

        "New applications compiled specifically for Windows Phone 8 will not be made available for Windows Phone 7.x devices."

        I stand corrected. Apologies, I obviously got myself mixed up with the forwards compatibility from WP7.x to WP8. This is definitely a problem for existing users, depending on their needs and app requirements. I hope the major app providers will continue to update the WP7.x apps for the average replacement cycle of a smartphone (2 years-ish in my case).

        And fair enough on the second point, but what other interesting features are coming to WP8 that aren't hardware related?

    2. Richard Plinston

      Re: Consumers, not techies, are what really counts...

      > Including full support for all WP8 apps

      Further to my previous post, here is what MS says:

      """Longer answer, courtesy of a Microsoft spokesperson:

      "We are designing Windows Phone 8 with the goal of allowing all existing applications in the Windows Phone Marketplace to work on Windows Phone 8 devices. We will also be working closely with key developer partners to create versions of applications that take advantage of some of the new features available in Windows Phone 8.

      "New applications compiled specifically for Windows Phone 8 will not be made available for Windows Phone 7.x devices." """

      http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsofts-windows-phone-8-finally-gets-a-real-windows-core/12975

  4. RICHTO
    Mushroom

    Not having any updates to the latest version never harmed half of the Android market....Or Apple where features like Siri are not back dated.

    1. Richard Plinston

      > Not having any updates to the latest version never harmed half of the Android market

      No, that did not, but then the latest apps run fine on, say, version 2.2.

      It is not the lack of an update to WP8 that will hurt, it is that newer apps will not run - by design.

  5. asdf
    Trollface

    lol

    "Careful readers will note the change in tone between my two filings that morning - before the second, I was contacted by Microsoft and or Nokia representatives with a very lucrative offer." There fixed it for ya. Just kidding of course.

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